Clutch vs non-clutch

[Kimmi]

It would be interesting if he gave a straight answer.

But, like most atheletes, you know that's not going to happen.

 

Pablo is being very secretive about his diet. He wouldn't give reporters a straight answer about it. LOL

[notin]

Price does admittedly talk to a sports psychologist about something, just not the postseason struggles. He seemed rather adamant about his lack of postseason success being caused by any mental weakness.

 

I don't follow his Twitter comments, but apparently he is letting the Twitter folks get to him, and he has become somewhat defensive about the subject. If that's the case, then I can certainly see how this is in his head, and how it could affect his future postseason performance.

 

Why does Price need a sports psychologist when he can be diagnosed for free by plenty of fans who have never met him?

[cp176]

Why does Price need a sports psychologist when he can be diagnosed for free by plenty of fans who have never met him?

 

If there was a clause in his contract stating that into order to get paid he could not use any potential social media device' he would be fine. Everybody gets a voice these daze.

[Slasher9]

Pablo is being very secretive about his diet. He wouldn't give reporters a straight answer about it. LOL

lol. well played.

[Slasher9]

I give Price more credit than that. Of course I don't know him, but I get the impression that he can handle pressure pretty well. I was not expecting him to to pitch poorly in the postseason. I don't see him as a choker.

 

i am not the least bit surprised by your last sentence. if you dont believe in "clutch" surely you do not believe in chocking. correct?

[User Name]

Why does Price need a sports psychologist when he can be diagnosed for free by plenty of fans who have never met him?

 

I really like you.

[notin]

i am not the least bit surprised by your last sentence. if you dont believe in "clutch" surely you do not believe in chocking. correct?

 

In Price's last non-Sox playoff gsme, he threw six shout out innings before falling apart in the seventh. Are you saying he lost confidence and started choking in thr seventh inning after 6 shut out innings? Seems like his confidence should have been pretty high at that time.

 

Or maybe another season of 200IP plus might have taken its toll...

[SoxnCycles]

Pablo is being very secretive about his diet. He wouldn't give reporters a straight answer about it. LOL

 

Typical ball player!

[Slasher9]

In Price's last non-Sox playoff gsme, he threw six shout out innings before falling apart in the seventh. Are you saying he lost confidence and started choking in thr seventh inning after 6 shut out innings? Seems like his confidence should have been pretty high at that time.

 

Or maybe another season of 200IP plus might have taken its toll...

 

any way you want to spin it Notin it's the reason that:

A) I never ever trust him in a bright lights game

2) i never ever pay him $31MM x 7

III) if i still have him on my team and it's a bright lights game he never ever starts it.

Four) IF elijah dukes ended his career after his first AB he would be HoF.

[Kimmi]

Why does Price need a sports psychologist when he can be diagnosed for free by plenty of fans who have never met him?

 

LOL

 

Price may very well be mentally weak in terms of the postseason. I don't know. But as with Pablo and Lackey, among others, I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Kimmi]

any way you want to spin it Notin it's the reason that:

A) I never ever trust him in a bright lights game

2) i never ever pay him $31MM x 7

III) if i still have him on my team and it's a bright lights game he never ever starts it.

Four) IF elijah dukes ended his career after his first AB he would be HoF.

 

His contract is absurd, I'll give you that.

[Kimmi]

i am not the least bit surprised by your last sentence. if you dont believe in "clutch" surely you do not believe in chocking. correct?

 

Actually, I do believe in choking. However, I believe that players who have made it to the major league level and have been successful enough to stay there are players who know how to handle the pressure and can avoid choking in big spots.

 

Hence, I don't think you'll find chokers at the major league level. You'll have choking moments, as you'll have clutch moments, but not chokers.

[greenwell]

Actually, I do believe in choking. However, I believe that players who have made it to the major league level and have been successful enough to stay there are players who know how to handle the pressure and can avoid choking in big spots.

 

Hence, I don't think you'll find chokers at the major league level. You'll have choking moments, as you'll have clutch moments, but not chokers.

 

I actually see clutch more as just not choking. I find it hard to believe that players who have made it to MLB have a level of play even better than their normal level that they can achieve when the pressure is on. On the other hand, many players may be adversely affected, even in a very small way, by the pressure of big situations. Those who aren't affected at all appear to be clutch.

[Kimmi]

I actually see clutch more as just not choking. I find it hard to believe that players who have made it to MLB have a level of play even better than their normal level that they can achieve when the pressure is on. On the other hand, many players may be adversely affected, even in a very small way, by the pressure of big situations. Those who aren't affected at all appear to be clutch.

 

I can agree with your definition of clutch. I also agree that it's hard to believe that MLB players can raise their game at will when the pressure is on.

[southpaw777]

Price is too worried about what everyone thinks of him. Seems like a whiny spoiled kid. Needs to stay off social media and just STFU and pitch...he talks too much

[mvp 78]

Price is too worried about what everyone thinks of him. Seems like a whiny spoiled kid. Needs to stay off social media and just STFU and pitch...he talks too much

 

I think the Boston Sports Media should just STFU and write actual baseball stories about the onfield product rather than trying to ape the tabloids.

[Kimmi]

Price is too worried about what everyone thinks of him. Seems like a whiny spoiled kid. Needs to stay off social media and just STFU and pitch...he talks too much

 

I think the media is making something out of nothing as far as Price's responses in that interview. That said, I agree that Price needs to stay off of social media. He is letting the twitter crowd get to him.

[TylerD]

I think the Boston Sports Media should just STFU and write actual baseball stories about the onfield product rather than trying to ape the tabloids.

 

Agreed with this. Price doesn't overly seem to worried what others think in my opinion. He's a very clutch regular season pitcher. Playoffs is a different story. It's only natural when you stink up every playoff game you play that you start wondering how the medIa and fans look at you

[Behindenemylines]

Clutch is the guys who put up huge numbers in October when everything is big. How many big October hits did Papi have? Missing him already!

[User Name]

You can't be "clutch" (whatever the f*** that actually is) in the playoffs unless you actually get there. Food for thought.

[notin]

Exactly.

 

The only player I have ever seen who somehow managed to excel in key situations was Pat Tabler, who, for reasons no one could ever explain, went from being an average hitter to being am elite hitter when the were bases loaded. He was so good in that one specific situation that he was occasionally brought in to pinch hit for heart of the order hitters if it was important enough..

 

But beyond that one freak situational skill, Tabler was nothing special. ..

[Bellhorn04]

You can't be "clutch" (whatever the f*** that actually is) in the playoffs unless you actually get there. Food for thought.

 

That's true. But even if you do get there a bunch of times the sample size will still never get big enough.

 

How much more of an exercise in futility can you get LOL

[greenwell]

Exactly.

 

The only player I have ever seen who somehow managed to excel in key situations was Pat Tabler, who, for reasons no one could ever explain, went from being an average hitter to being am elite hitter when the were bases loaded. He was so good in that one specific situation that he was occasionally brought in to pinch hit for heart of the order hitters if it was important enough..

 

But beyond that one freak situational skill, Tabler was nothing special. ..

 

Didn't remember him, had to look him up. Those are some crazy bases loaded splits.

[Kimmi]

That's true. But even if you do get there a bunch of times the sample size will still never get big enough.

 

How much more of an exercise in futility can you get LOL

 

LOL Bell

 

Trust me when I say that the statistical methods used are sound. These geeks read and study each other's research, and if there is anything that is the least bit questionable, it will be questioned.

[Kimmi]

Exactly.

 

The only player I have ever seen who somehow managed to excel in key situations was Pat Tabler, who, for reasons no one could ever explain, went from being an average hitter to being am elite hitter when the were bases loaded. He was so good in that one specific situation that he was occasionally brought in to pinch hit for heart of the order hitters if it was important enough..

 

But beyond that one freak situational skill, Tabler was nothing special. ..

 

Randomness and small sample size...

[Bellhorn04]

LOL Bell

 

Trust me when I say that the statistical methods used are sound. These geeks read and study each other's research, and if there is anything that is the least bit questionable, it will be questioned.

 

Kimmi do you by chance have a link to the latest research study on this topic or can you tell me who did it?

[Kimmi]

Kimmi do you by chance have a link to the latest research study on this topic or can you tell me who did it?

 

I actually do not have any links to research that has been done in recent years. I will look, but the most noted studies seem to be older studies.

[notin]

Randomness and small sample size...

 

Could be. But to me Tabler at best is the exception that doesn't disqualify the rule..

[Bellhorn04]

I actually do not have any links to research that has been done in recent years. I will look, but the most noted studies seem to be older studies.

 

Crickets, Kimmi, crickets.

[notin]

Crickets, Kimmi, crickets.

 

Are there any recent or older studies that prove the existence of clutch?

 

Really so much of it appears to be fan perception and magnification of essentially small differences...