2017 Hall of Fame class

[Slasher9]

congrats to ivan, bags, and raines for getting in.

trevor hoffman 6 votes short. thats got to hurt.

Vlad also short of the mark.

 

some interesting observations:

Schilling lost momentum big time: 230 --> 199

Clemens chances improving: 199 --> 239

Same with Bonds: 195 --> 238

edgar: 191 --> 259

 

Manny received 105 votes. i believe this was his first year of eligibility.

shoutout to Varitek (2 votes) and Wakey-wakey (1 vote).

[mvp 78]

Until Schill puts down the meth, he's not getting in. That guy is a mess right now.

 

Edgar only has 2 more shots at getting in. I'm not sure if he'll get there as he needs almost 100 more votes to get in. He deserves to be in though.

 

My ballot would have been:

Ivan Rodriguez

Tim Raines

Jeff Bagwell

Edgar Martinez

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Manny Ramirez

Mike Mussina

Vlad Guerrero

Curt Schilling

[Thunder]

There was a long article about hometown boy Jeff Bagwell in today's Hartford Courant. Well deserved. He did everything the right way, and everybody in CT still loves him.

[Spudboy]

There was a long article about hometown boy Jeff Bagwell in today's Hartford Courant. Well deserved. He did everything the right way, and everybody in CT still loves him.

 

Even if he juiced?

[Thunder]

Even if he juiced?

 

Especially because he didn't.

[Spudboy]

Especially because he didn't.

 

Has it been determined definitively that he did not juice?

[moonslav59]

Hard to prove something didn't happen, and therein lies the conundrum.

[Dojji]

Has it been determined definitively that he did not juice?

 

The pathetic thing is that this question even needs to be asked by serious people.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Hoffman better get in next year. It's especially galling because you know Rivera is getting in on the first ballot.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I also really want to know who voted for Wakefield.

[moonslav59]

I also really want to know who voted for Wakefield.

 

Mama Wakefield.

[Spudboy]

The pathetic thing is that this question even needs to be asked by serious people.

 

So I am pathetic?

 

I don't know much about him other than what I hear on TV and of course what I read.

 

I think that MLB should adopt the Archie Bunker plan. Hand out syringes of Steroids and HGH as the players arrive at the clubhouse each day.

 

Then there will be an even playing field.

[moonslav59]

So I am pathetic?

 

I don't know much about him other than what I hear on TV and of course what I read.

 

I think that MLB should adopt the Archie Bunker plan. Hand out syringes of Steroids and HGH as the players arrive at the clubhouse each day.

 

Then there will be an even playing field.

 

The vast majority would refuse to take them, even if they were legal.

[cp176]

Bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame. I continue to be amazed by the number of people living in the glass houses of the world today. If he is in, the people who helped to put him there should not be penalized for doing what they did during the era that he oversaw. If it is even suggested that someone might have used steroids their HOF stock seems to go down - that is a joke.

[a700hitter]

We have no idea which players from that era were clean. At one time, all of baseball was rooting for ARod to break the home run records, because they thought he had done things "the right way" until he got caught.

[Kimmi]

Congrats to Pudge, Bagwell, and Raines for getting in.

 

IMO, someone needs to take a serious look at the HOF voting process. This is not meant to defend anything that Schilling has said, but the fact that he lost 31 votes is rather disconcerting. Last year, 31 voters thought that he was worthy of being in the HOF, and now they don't? Did his stats change from last year to this year? Sorry, but that's just not right.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Unfortunately, HOF voting is done by people, and people will not vote impartially. I may not agree with most of what Schilling says outside of baseball-related topics, but I still believe he belongs in the HOF. Other people are unable to separate their disagreements with someone's political or social views and their performance as a player. It sucks, but that's what happens. It's also ridiculous. Given the eras some people played in, the HOF is chock full of virulent racists, drunks, misogynists, homophobes, and probably some outright criminals. (As some of you may recall, Monte Irvin once beat up my great-grandfather. I still think he belongs in the HOF, though!) Schilling has every right as a person to express whatever opinions he wants, and HOF voters should not take that into account. In a perfect world, they wouldn't. However, this is the real world, so they did.

[Bellhorn04]

Congrats to Pudge, Bagwell, and Raines for getting in.

 

IMO, someone needs to take a serious look at the HOF voting process. This is not meant to defend anything that Schilling has said, but the fact that he lost 31 votes is rather disconcerting. Last year, 31 voters thought that he was worthy of being in the HOF, and now they don't? Did his stats change from last year to this year? Sorry, but that's just not right.

 

I agree totally.

[Kimmi]

Unfortunately, HOF voting is done by people, and people will not vote impartially. I may not agree with most of what Schilling says outside of baseball-related topics, but I still believe he belongs in the HOF. Other people are unable to separate their disagreements with someone's political or social views and their performance as a player. It sucks, but that's what happens. It's also ridiculous. Given the eras some people played in, the HOF is chock full of virulent racists, drunks, misogynists, homophobes, and probably some outright criminals. (As some of you may recall, Monte Irvin once beat up my great-grandfather. I still think he belongs in the HOF, though!) Schilling has every right as a person to express whatever opinions he wants, and HOF voters should not take that into account. In a perfect world, they wouldn't. However, this is the real world, so they did.

 

Exactly. Voting should not be a matter of whether you agree with or like what Schilling has to say.

[Youk Of The Nation]

If going into the HOF for any sport was based on not being a douchebag in any way, all of the Halls of Fame would be basically empty. The Hockey Hall of Fame wouldn't even exist.

[Northern Star]

Congrats to Pudge, Bagwell, and Raines for getting in.

 

IMO, someone needs to take a serious look at the HOF voting process. This is not meant to defend anything that Schilling has said, but the fact that he lost 31 votes is rather disconcerting. Last year, 31 voters thought that he was worthy of being in the HOF, and now they don't? Did his stats change from last year to this year? Sorry, but that's just not right.

 

The difference is mainly because he made a tweet applauding a T-shirt that said journalists should be lynched. Nothing to do with his stats. (And I think you can make a valid argument that his stats aren't good enough, but that's a different matter).

[Kimmi]

The difference is mainly because he made a tweet applauding a T-shirt that said journalists should be lynched. Nothing to do with his stats. (And I think you can make a valid argument that his stats aren't good enough, but that's a different matter).

 

That's my point. It's not right that all those voters changed their minds because they didn't like something that Schilling said.

 

Did I say that his stats weren't good enough?

[Bellhorn04]

That's my point. It's not right that all those voters changed their minds because they didn't like something that Schilling said.

 

Did I say that his stats weren't good enough?

 

I don't think Northern Star meant you specifically but the generalized "you" meaning anyone.

[Kimmi]

I don't think Northern Star meant you specifically but the generalized "you" meaning anyone.

 

OK, then I misinterpreted what he was saying.

[Northern Star]

That's my point. It's not right that all those voters changed their minds because they didn't like something that Schilling said.

 

Did I say that his stats weren't good enough?

 

No you pointed out the difference from 1 year to the next and asked rhetorically if his stats had changed. I'm saying of course they didn't, but the difference isn't about his stats, it's about his recent tweet. Right or wrong, sports journalists don't care for his politics or demeanor and some stopped voting for him. As I pointed out, whether his stats are good enough is a secondary argument.

[Northern Star]

OK, then I misinterpreted what he was saying.

 

Very easy to do. Even I often don't know what I'm talking about.

[Northern Star]

I don't think Northern Star meant you specifically but the generalized "you" meaning anyone.

 

You know, the royal we, the editorial.

[User Name]

Very easy to do. Even I often don't know what I'm talking about.

 

Yes, we know.