3rd Third III

[Fisk]

I can't imagine us being worse defensively or vs LHPs, so the only area we might suffer is on offense vs righties.

We will lose the power, but Hernandez I think is a better all around hitter right now.

[Station 13]

.237/.293/.366 that's our 3B triple slash line last 4 year.

 

A dog fart would be more pleasant.

[Spudboy]

I'm much more comfortable with a Hernandez, Rutledge platoon then Pablo playing full time.

 

I'm okay with it.

 

I was just hoping to see what Pablow had left in the tank.

 

It appears as though I won't get an answer to that anytime soon.

[Kimmi]

I"m still pulling for you Pablo!

 

To heck with all these guys who are glad that you're injured and have given up on you after 3 weeks.

[mvp 78]

I"m still pulling for you Pablo!

 

To heck with all these guys who are glad that you're injured and have given up on you after 3 weeks.

 

Not sure why people would root against a current Sox player.

[Kimmi]

Not sure why people would root against a current Sox player.

 

Because he's fat?

[Fisk]

I'm not rooting against him, just not sure if he's our best option. If the clock went back to his Giants days I would be very happy.

[a700hitter]

I am not glad that fatboy played poorly and got injured. I am just not surprised that he has been fielding groundballs like they are hand grenades nor that he is back on the DL. The guy is useless.

[S5Dewey]

Not sure why people would root against a current Sox player.

 

Eccchhh.... there's a difference between rooting against a player and recognizing that the player isn't playing well and therefore being glad he's out of the lineup - for any reason.

 

I rooted for him at every AB and every defensive play and I'll continue to root for him if/when he comes back. But that doesn't mean that I don't think that if there's a better option that option should be playing.

[Bellhorn04]

I"m still pulling for you Pablo!

 

To heck with all these guys who are glad that you're injured and have given up on you after 3 weeks.

 

I've taken my fair share of shots at Pablo. This time I thought he had done the things he was supposed to do and I was pulling for him. Hopefully this injury isn't anything serious. The guy seems snakebit now on top of everything else.

[S5Dewey]

Without trying to be snarky.... really I'm not.... We can't be surprised that Sandoval is having knee trouble. As a professional athlete he's probably put more wear and tear on them already than a normal person would in a lifetime. Combine that with his excess weight and he's a knee problem waiting to happen.

[moonslav59]

He still might be our best 3B option this year.

 

I had hoped he got a longer look before this.

[Spudboy]

Fat or not quite as fat it remains obvious that the Sox would be better off if Pablow played decently this year.

 

Plenty of the new season remains for him to get on track.

 

I remain very doubtful that he will be a 3 WAR player again. I'd settle for 1 WAR and be satisfied that the Sox have gotten at least a smidgen ( blatant Papi reference ) of value from what otherwise would be doomed and damned to be a total f***ing bust.

[S5Dewey]

Fat or not quite as fat it remains obvious that the Sox would be better off if Pablow played decently this year.

 

Plenty of the new season remains for him to get on track.

 

I remain very doubtful that he will be a 3 WAR player again. I'd settle for 1 WAR and be satisfied that the Sox have gotten at least a smidgen ( blatant Papi reference ) of value from what otherwise would be doomed and damned to be a total f***ing bust.

 

I know you're right about this and I agree with you. However, it will always rankle me to know that we're paying $14M for a player who gives us ONE WIN above a Replacement Player. That may not be a total f***ing bust but it's a very close cousin to one, Ugh,

[Bellhorn04]

I know you're right about this and I agree with you. However, it will always rankle me to know that we're paying $14M for a player who gives us ONE WIN above a Replacement Player. That may not be a total f***ing bust but it's a very close cousin to one, Ugh,

 

I guess it'll rankle you more to know that we're paying $19M a year on average.

[S5Dewey]

I guess it'll rankle you more to know that we're paying $19M a year on average.

 

Aughhhh! I just looked it up and it's $17.6M this year, Now there's a great start to my day!! :-(

 

LOL

[Bellhorn04]

Oh well, expensive busts happen. Especially to filthy rich teams like ours. As someone else said, we should have learned our lesson with Crawford. But instead we wade right back in and drop $163 million on Panda and Hanley.

[moonslav59]

Oh well, expensive busts happen. Especially to filthy rich teams like ours. As someone else said, we should have learned our lesson with Crawford. But instead we wade right back in and drop $163 million on Panda and Hanley.

 

Agreed.

 

I will add this:

 

1) If we didn't sign someone big that winter, with all that money "available", Sox management would have been roasted alive.

 

2) Most big ticket free agent signings do not meet expectations. A large percent don't even come close. Some fail right from year one.

 

3) It looked like the plan was to address the offense after 2014 and the pitching after 2015 (a much better pitcher market). In theory, this made sense.

 

4) Had HRam and Porcello played like 2016 in 2015, and Pablo not fallen off a cliff, we probably would not have looked so bad. We might have even challenged for the playoffs. It's hard to blame Ben for the timing of these good & bad years.

 

Basically, expecting our GM to make big signings and then blaming them for "choosing the wrong ones" when a large percent fail to reach expectations is confusing to me. Look at Price. There probably wasn't a surer bet of a SP'er signing than he was. Forget the overpay and the too many years argument, Price was one of the very best FA starters to hit the open market in a decade. We did what we had to do and got him. So far, he has not met expectations. He hasn't been bad, but now that he's hurt, the signing could end up looking like the next Pablo or CC signing.

 

Posters grumbled at the Porcello signing, yet now they are happy as can be.

 

These signings are largely hit or miss, and since most of the big signings occur when players are in or just past prime, missing should really be the expectation for most signings.

 

[S5Dewey]

If we forget the overpay and the too many years argument I don't think many of us are upset with Price's signing. 17 wins (ok, not the best argument but it's an argument), an ERA of around 4.0 and a WHIP of 1.2 is serviceable when one realizes that he got off to a rocky start and finished stronger.

 

My own argument against Price is that he's repeatedly failed in the post-season. Whether the reason for that is random, chocking, or whatever the fact remains that he's repeatedly failed in the post season and that's not what we pay a pitcher $31M to do.

[moonslav59]

My own argument against Price is that he's repeatedly failed in the post-season. Whether the reason for that is random, chocking, or whatever the fact remains that he's repeatedly failed in the post season and that's not what we pay a pitcher $31M to do.

 

But, when we sign a guy who only succeeds in the playoffs (Pablo) that doesn't work either!

[S5Dewey]

But, when we sign a guy who only succeeds in the playoffs (Pablo) that doesn't work either!

 

LOL. I guess when you put it in that perspective Sandoval is a bargain at $17M! I'd rather have a player who can get us to the playoffs and fail there than a player who can't even get us to the playoffs!

 

Perspective is everything!!

[mvp 78]

But, when we sign a guy who only succeeds in the playoffs (Pablo) that doesn't work either!

 

He doesn't "only succeed in the playoffs." He had a decent career in SF. His body type is just horrible and Ben should have never given him that contract. We all saw this coming.

 

That being said, when he gets off the DL he's going to mash and earn that starting AS spot.

[Slasher9]

i am willing to wait and see how he comes back after the short DL stint. JBj was on the DL earlier this season and nobody was calling him a fat slob. injuries happen in sports. especially at the professional level.

[cp176]

i am willing to wait and see how he comes back after the short DL stint. JBj was on the DL earlier this season and nobody was calling him a fat slob. injuries happen in sports. especially at the professional level.

 

Why would anybody call JBJ a fat slob? i think that we need Pablo to come back if he is just actually able to get a few errorless games in to build up some confidence . It might be kind of sad but I still think he presents the best 3b option for now. I don't think that he is ever going to be called skinny though.

[moonslav59]

He doesn't "only succeed in the playoffs." He had a decent career in SF. His body type is just horrible and Ben should have never given him that contract. We all saw this coming.

 

That being said, when he gets off the DL he's going to mash and earn that starting AS spot.

 

He had a decent career in SF but took a serious plunge after 2011 and then followed that up with 2 more slowly declining seasons.

 

Obviously, we got him for more than just hoped for playoff heroics. We thought he could return closer to his earlier SF days, but probably not his best SF days.

[mvp 78]

Why would anybody call JBJ a fat slob? i think that we need Pablo to come back if he is just actually able to get a few errorless games in to build up some confidence . It might be kind of sad but I still think he presents the best 3b option for now. I don't think that he is ever going to be called skinny though.

 

Could call him THICC instead of fat though.

[Emp9]

Is it really a sprain? I'd check for bite marks.

[mvp 78]

He had a decent career in SF but took a serious plunge after 2011 and then followed that up with 2 more slowly declining seasons.

 

Obviously, we got him for more than just hoped for playoff heroics. We thought he could return closer to his earlier SF days, but probably not his best SF days.

 

He had two great years in 2009 and 2011. It's not like this is a steady decline. He was a 2 - 3 win player from 2012 - 2014. He sucked in 2015 and was injured in 2016. It remains to be seen if he can get himself back to being a 2-3 win player like he was for the majority of his time in SF.

[mvp 78]

Is it really a sprain? I'd check for bite marks.

 

You really think Pedroia would have bit his ankle?

[Emp9]

You really think Pedroia would have bit his ankle?

 

I was thinking self-cannibalism. One would think self-cannibalism would void any contract. Fffff***in' .... godamn.... capitalism.