2017 Rotation

[notin]

So it looks like the rotation, in whatever order, will have Price, Sale, Porcello, and ? Most of us like Rodriguez, but thoughts on him starting in Pawtucket and serving as inevitable depth? With two others from Wright, Buchholz and Pomeranz rounding out the rotation?

 

That leaves the bullpen with one displaced starter, let's say Pomeranz, along with Kimbrel, Thornburg, Kelly, Ross, Abad and Hembree, with Barnes heading to Pawtucket for depth (he's the only one with an option) and Elias looking for work.

 

Or can Dombrowski forget about Mitch Moreland and maybe deal Buchholz (or ?) for an actual DH?

[Foe-Jarmer]

Its certainly interesting. I think the Sox will deal 1 starter. and let the rest battle it out for the last 2 spots with the odd man out going to the BP. I think the trade candidates are Buch and E-Rod. E-Rod has the most trade value IMO and buch could be traded for salary relief.

 

EDIT: Hey Notin!

-MEF429

[moonslav59]

The only reason I'd start ERod in AAA is if we gained another year of control by doing so.

 

Anybody know, if that's a possibility? If yes, how long would he have to remain in AAA for us to gain the year?

[Foe-Jarmer]

I really don't think that's fair to E-Rod. He deserves to be pitching in the majors. If not with us, then another team.

[moonslav59]

I really don't think that's fair to E-Rod. He deserves to be pitching in the majors. If not with us, then another team.

 

He's my number 4 right now, but opening day is a long way away.

[Foe-Jarmer]

Yeah I'm not too worried about it as of right now. These things usually work themselves out by the time the season starts. Worst case, we have to deal 1 or two guys

[Spudboy]

DD said today that E Rod is one of the best young pitchers that very few people know about. He also said that E Rod is in the rotation.

 

The Sox have no plans to send him down to Pawtucket.

[Kimmi]

So it looks like the rotation, in whatever order, will have Price, Sale, Porcello, and ? Most of us like Rodriguez, but thoughts on him starting in Pawtucket and serving as inevitable depth? With two others from Wright, Buchholz and Pomeranz rounding out the rotation?

 

That leaves the bullpen with one displaced starter, let's say Pomeranz, along with Kimbrel, Thornburg, Kelly, Ross, Abad and Hembree, with Barnes heading to Pawtucket for depth (he's the only one with an option) and Elias looking for work.

 

Or can Dombrowski forget about Mitch Moreland and maybe deal Buchholz (or ?) for an actual DH?

 

I suggested this last season and I still like the idea.

 

I've mentioned my concerns about ERod pitching in the WBC. Maybe some time in Pawtuckett will help him out on that front, in addition to giving us solid depth.

 

That said, I'm guessing Buchholz will be traded.

[S5Dewey]

Its certainly interesting. I think the Sox will deal 1 starter. and let the rest battle it out for the last 2 spots with the odd man out going to the BP. I think the trade candidates are Buch and E-Rod. E-Rod has the most trade value IMO and buch could be traded for salary relief.

 

-MEF429

 

MEF...Buddy!!... is that you???

[jacksonianmarch]

ERod was one of your best pitchers post ASB. Beforehand he struggled with his confidence and his knee. Also, he absolutely owns NYY. There is no way he is not in your rotation. I think the likelihood is Pomeranz moving to the pen due to his durability concerns and the lack of confidence one must have in a knuckleballer in short stints

[jacksonianmarch]

Adding to the fallout. Guys dealt by DD- top 100 BA style

 

#1 Moncada

#15 Espinosa

#39 Margot

#93 Kopech

 

That's mid season 2016 BA rankings. 4 top 100 guys dealt, 2 top 20. Wow

[oldtimer]

So it looks like the rotation, in whatever order, will have Price, Sale, Porcello, and ? Most of us like Rodriguez, but thoughts on him starting in Pawtucket and serving as inevitable depth? With two others from Wright, Buchholz and Pomeranz rounding out the rotation?

 

That leaves the bullpen with one displaced starter, let's say Pomeranz, along with Kimbrel, Thornburg, Kelly, Ross, Abad and Hembree, with Barnes heading to Pawtucket for depth (he's the only one with an option) and Elias looking for work.

 

Or can Dombrowski forget about Mitch Moreland and maybe deal Buchholz (or ?) for an actual DH?

 

In his news conference, DD said you can never have enough pitching but then added he would have an open mind about trading a starter and mentioned there were other starting prospects in the minors. I am not sure the staff is fully set. Keeping Abad looks like a bad idea.

[sk7326]

Adding to the fallout. Guys dealt by DD- top 100 BA style

 

#1 Moncada

#15 Espinosa

#39 Margot

#93 Kopech

 

That's mid season 2016 BA rankings. 4 top 100 guys dealt, 2 top 20. Wow

 

having that many top 100 guys is a compliment in itself

[iortiz]

I think that Pomeranz will be your sleeper. IMO he will have a come back season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pom just had a career year and finished injured.

[iortiz]

The talent is there, he just need a break and stay healthy, hopefully this is the year.

[Nick]

If they want to get under the cap, they will have to trade Buchholtz. Can we get another young, team controlled reliever for him?

 

Lets look at risk vs reward for Clay.

 

What if he does get off to a bad start? We'll have to f***ing eat his contract. Right now, we have chance to get rid of his $13.5M AND GET SOMETHING IN RETURN. I love how everyone here thinks nothing of throwing money away. I'm glad you don't run my business.

 

Are we already giving up on a player that we gave up boatload of talent?

Edited December 7, 2016 by Nick

[southpaw777]

Its certainly interesting. I think the Sox will deal 1 starter. and let the rest battle it out for the last 2 spots with the odd man out going to the BP. I think the trade candidates are Buch and E-Rod. E-Rod has the most trade value IMO and buch could be traded for salary relief.

 

EDIT: Hey Notin!

-MEF429

 

Hey MEF!!!

[Dojji]

If they want to get under the cap, they will have to trade Buchholtz. Can we get another young, team controlled reliever for him?

 

Lets look at risk vs reward for Clay.

 

What if he does get off to a bad start? We'll have to f***ing eat his contract. Right now, we have chance to get rid of his $13.5M AND GET SOMETHING IN RETURN. I love how everyone here thinks nothing of throwing money away. I'm glad you don't run my business.

 

Are we already giving up on a player that we gave up boatload of talent?

 

If we traded Buchholz-and-things for Mike Moustakas or Todd Frazier, I would be a happy boy as long as "things" didn't include the guys on our untouchables list.

[moonslav59]

Adding to the fallout. Guys dealt by DD- top 100 BA style

 

#1 Moncada

#15 Espinosa

#39 Margot

#93 Kopech

 

That's mid season 2016 BA rankings. 4 top 100 guys dealt, 2 top 20. Wow

 

Plus, don't forget Guerra was ranked 52nd prior to 2016 and 87th mid season. That's 5 in the top 93.

[Dojji]

At some point, it's time to abandon your pretensions and get the freaking job done. DD isn't going to stop until we've won the World Series. He'll deal with the rebuild when and if it's time to rebuild. For now he's busy trying to win. We're too close to the top right now for it to make any sense to hold back or do half measures. All in means all in.

 

And in fairness to DD, Theo and company did much the same in 2004, sacrificing quite a lot of prospects to bring the title to Boston, and yet still could turn around 3 years later and introduce a team that was significantly homegrown (Ells, Pedey, Youk, Lester, Buchholz, etc).

 

And when it comes to that, we already have a ton of young homegrown talent on the roster right now. How many prospects are we going to need to fill the outfield positions over the next 4 years? Maybe one? How many prospects are we going to need in the infield -- we could do with a good third baseman, that's about it other than maybe the persistent low level concern about Pedroia's frequent minor injuries. We have too MANY prospects at catcher. Our rotation is now so packed that starters are spilling out into the bullpen.

 

Even if we did hoard those prospects where's the impact from the farm going to be felt over the next 3 seasons? Anywhere? And even if there's some -- it won't likely compare favorably to what Chris Sale is going to give us on the top of the rotation.

 

We have a 2-3 year window where graduating prospects to fill the ranks is a luxury not a necessity. I'm just saying, consider the possibility that DD has a pretty damned good idea what he's doing and knows how to build a team, and also knows that at certain points in a team's life cycle, it's time to put the hammer down and sell out to win it big, this being one of them. I'll take that over BC's trying to run the Boston Red Sox like they were the Tampa Bay Devil Rays anyday.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dojji

[harmony]

The only reason I'd start ERod in AAA is if we gained another year of control by doing so.

 

Anybody know, if that's a possibility? If yes, how long would he have to remain in AAA for us to gain the year?

According to Baseball Reference, Eduardo Rodriguez has one year and 130 days of MLB service, placing the lefthander on the cusp of being a Super Two if he spends the entire 2017 season on the MLB roster.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodried05.shtml

 

Rodriguez would need to spend most of the year at Pawtucket for the Red Sox to get another year of team control.

[moonslav59]

According to Baseball Reference, Eduardo Rodriguez has one year and 130 days of MLB service, placing the lefthander on the cusp of being a Super Two if he spends the entire 2017 season on the MLB roster.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodried05.shtml

 

Rodriguez would need to spend most of the year at Pawtucket for the Red Sox to get another year of team control.

 

Thanks.

 

He's my #4 right now.

[Nick]

Thanks.

 

He's my #4 right now.

 

DD is not going to hide E Rod in the minors. We already benefited 'extra' year by way of 130 days. He's under team control for another 5 years. To stretch that to 6 years is unnecessary and sending wrong message to E Rod. He's at the same point as Lester when the latter had his break out season.

 

He's on the cusp of something good. I would just let the nature take it's course.

[S5Dewey]

At some point, it's time to abandon your pretensions and get the freaking job done. DD isn't going to stop until we've won the World Series. He'll deal with the rebuild when and if it's time to rebuild. For now he's busy trying to win. We're too close to the top right now for it to make any sense to hold back or do half measures. All in means all in.

 

And in fairness to DD, Theo and company did much the same in 2004, sacrificing quite a lot of prospects to bring the title to Boston, and yet still could turn around 3 years later and introduce a team that was significantly homegrown (Ells, Pedey, Youk, Lester, Buchholz, etc).

 

And when it comes to that, we already have a ton of young homegrown talent on the roster right now. How many prospects are we going to need to fill the outfield positions over the next 4 years? Maybe one? How many prospects are we going to need in the infield -- we could do with a good third baseman, that's about it other than maybe the persistent low level concern about Pedroia's frequent minor injuries. We have too MANY prospects at catcher. Our rotation is now so packed that starters are spilling out into the bullpen.

 

Even if we did hoard those prospects where's the impact from the farm going to be felt over the next 3 seasons? Anywhere? And even if there's some -- it won't likely compare favorably to what Chris Sale is going to give us on the top of the rotation.

 

We have a 2-3 year window where graduating prospects to fill the ranks is a luxury not a necessity. I'm just saying, consider the possibility that DD has a pretty damned good idea what he's doing and knows how to build a team, and also knows that at certain points in a team's life cycle, it's time to put the hammer down and sell out to win it big, this being one of them. I'll take that over BC's trying to run the Boston Red Sox like they were the Tampa Bay Devil Rays anyday.

 

Excellent post.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I would have preferred including Pomeranz in the Sale trade instead of Kopech. In turn, the White Sox could have traded Pomeranz for a prospect.

 

I would now like to see the Red Sox trade Pomeranz for a prospect, a really good one, to keep the farm system strong. As many predicted, Dombrowski came in and decimated the farm system.

 

I don't support trading E-Rod at all. ROTATION:

Sale

Porcello

Price

Rodriguez

Wright

 

With Buchholz in the bullpen and occasional starter to keep down innings.

 

For me, Pomeranz has more value as a trade chip than reliever. The guy pitched too well last year for the Padres to be demoted to the bullpen.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I'm assuming Encarncion isn't in the Red Sox's plans at all. He would cost a first round draft pick. He would require a significant investment in terms of dollars. In comparison to Moreland, Encarncion would hurt the Red Sox's defense and ability to prevent runs. The Red Sox may have concerns about Sandoval's defense at 3b; they minimize such concerns by adding Moreland, a stud defender at the other infield corner.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think they wanted a guy capable of playing 1b who wouldn't embarrass himself with the stick and fit into the budget.

[oldtimer]

I'm assuming Encarncion isn't in the Red Sox's plans at all. He would cost a first round draft pick. He would require a significant investment in terms of dollars. In comparison to Moreland, Encarncion would hurt the Red Sox's defense and ability to prevent runs. The Red Sox may have concerns about Sandoval's defense at 3b; they minimize such concerns by adding Moreland, a stud defender at the other infield corner.

 

With Shaw gone, it gives us a solid fielding 1st baseman and a left handed bat and gives us a chance to put Hanley up as DH. I like the move and had guessed DD might go after Hosmer as a similar get.

[Bellhorn04]

We have a 2-3 year window where graduating prospects to fill the ranks is a luxury not a necessity. I'm just saying, consider the possibility that DD has a pretty damned good idea what he's doing and knows how to build a team, and also knows that at certain points in a team's life cycle, it's time to put the hammer down and sell out to win it big, this being one of them. I'll take that over BC's trying to run the Boston Red Sox like they were the Tampa Bay Devil Rays anyday.

 

BC made some blunders, but I don't get the comparison to running the team like they were the Rays.

 

He signed a bunch of free agents in 2013 that helped us win the World Series.

 

He spent a fortune before the 2015 season. It was the combination of the spending and the crappy results that got him axed.