Postseason Happenings 2016

[sk7326]

Where was this Francona when he was leaving the Sox starters in until they got their brains bashed? He was the absolute worst at managing the relievers back in the day. Looks like he has finally developed a sense of urgency. No more fran-coma I guess. He deserves serious props for his pitching moves yesterday. On a minor note, I thought Price was a better choice for the first game. We were lucky that AP gave up three homers and we were still in the game. It looks like an evenly matched series....

 

Like when he sat on his hands and never brought Keith Foulke in before the 9th inning during that postseason. Or how he never brought Papelbon in for 6 out saves.

[sk7326]

I thought he lost the clubhouse that year. Now with saying that, I would have not fired him. I would have not let Theo go as well. Beckett was the bad seed. Lackey and Lester where followers. One top of it replacing him with Bobby V was one more mistake to the list.

 

I am always amused that he could "lose the clubhouse" the year after his best managing job. I think things might have run their course anyway - but he is the best manager in the league, given what the job description is (to me) in 2016.

[S5Dewey]

I thought he lost the clubhouse that year. Now with saying that, I would have not fired him. I would have not let Theo go as well. Beckett was the bad seed. Lackey and Lester where followers. One top of it replacing him with Bobby V was one more mistake to the list.

 

It's nice to know that I'm not alone in thinking all of this. Beckett developed an entitlement mentality and unfortunately was seen by the pitching staff as their leader so Lackey and Lester followed in lockstep. That same arrogant attitude was what we loved about him when he too the mound, "If you're going to beat us you have to go through ME!", but it was that same attitude that dragged the team down when he turned on us.

 

In an effort to "straighten out the clubhouse' they then hired Bobby V, when all they had to do in the first place was get rid of Beckett. Then in a CYA move the FO impugned Tito's credibility by dragging his personal life into the arena to try to justify replacing him. As MBP said, SHAME, SHAME, SHAME. The darkest moment in this ownership's history.

[Wade Boggs]

Common practice for them. It's the only thing I honestly dislike about them. They did the same thing to Grady, Nomar, O-Cab (kind of deserved it) among others.

 

 

Nomar, did deserve it. He sulked in Yankee stadium and refused to get in the game. He wasn't the same player anymore. He was bitter because he turned down a 4 year contract for about 60M. He thought he can get more from them. He went back to them and said is the offer still on the table, Henry and company said..... NO......He wasn't the same here since. All they did was kiss his ass over and over. They blocked him from the media and he was still unhappy. He didn't like it here. He wanted to play for the Dodgers or Angels. He didn't like the press here. The man they treated unfairly was Manny. I'm talking on the baseball field not off it. The year Hanley Ramirez is having , That would be an off year for Manny back in the day. Trust me on that one. lol

[greenwell]

Suppose the redsox are down 2-1 going into game 4, do you bring back Porcello on 3 days rest since he only threw 72 pitches yesterday?

[Maxbialystock]

Suppose the redsox are down 2-1 going into game 4, do you bring back Porcello on 3 days rest since he only threw 72 pitches yesterday?

 

Absolutely. Porcello's the best pitcher in the AL and a sure-fire Cy Young winner. Who cares if he gave up 3 dingers and 5 runs in 4.1 innings?

[Spudboy]

Suppose the redsox are down 2-1 going into game 4, do you bring back Porcello on 3 days rest since he only threw 72 pitches yesterday?

 

At that point it's all hands on deck. I trust Farrell to make a wise choice.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Absolutely. Porcello's the best pitcher in the AL and a sure-fire Cy Young winner. Who cares if he gave up 3 dingers and 5 runs in 4.1 innings?

 

Exactly. It's pretty obvious that he will never pitch well again, and as we all know, once a guy does poorly in one postseason game, you never, ever let him play in another one again.

[Spudboy]

Exactly. It's pretty obvious that he will never pitch well again, and as we all know, once a guy does poorly in one postseason game, you never, ever let him play in another one again.

 

Further, Porcello should be banished to the State Of Maine where the Governor wants to bring back the guillotine.

[Spudboy]

I am always amused that he could "lose the clubhouse" the year after his best managing job. I think things might have run their course anyway - but he is the best manager in the league, given what the job description is (to me) in 2016.

 

I'm glad to hear you say that.

[Maxbialystock]

I am always amused that he could "lose the clubhouse" the year after his best managing job. I think things might have run their course anyway - but he is the best manager in the league, given what the job description is (to me) in 2016.

 

Was 2010 really Francona's best managing job? Wasn't that the year the Sox won 89 games and finished 6 games behind the Yankees for the wild card? And as for 2011, didn't the Sox have like the worst September ever for a contending team? Weren't they like 7 and 20 in Sep 2011? And, while I entirely agree Beckett was the culprit on the beer and chicken in the clubhouse while games were being played, I have to wonder how that was even possible given all those coaches?

 

As for Valentine, he was perfect for 2012 by making it so easy to fire him and get Farrell for 2013. He was Epstein's first choice anyway.

 

I liked Francona and consistently defended him because we had some real idiots on BDC who truly believed that all losses are managerial failures of one kind or another--and never ever the fault of the players. It was claimed on BDC that good managers know how to put players in situations where they can excel. When they don't, it's on the managers.

[sk7326]

Was 2010 really Francona's best managing job? Wasn't that the year the Sox won 89 games and finished 6 games behind the Yankees for the wild card? And as for 2011, didn't the Sox have like the worst September ever for a contending team? Weren't they like 7 and 20 in Sep 2011? And, while I entirely agree Beckett was the culprit on the beer and chicken in the clubhouse while games were being played, I have to wonder how that was even possible given all those coaches?

 

As for Valentine, he was perfect for 2012 by making it so easy to fire him and get Farrell for 2013. He was Epstein's first choice anyway.

 

I liked Francona and consistently defended him because we had some real idiots on BDC who truly believed that all losses are managerial failures of one kind or another--and never ever the fault of the players. It was claimed on BDC that good managers know how to put players in situations where they can excel. When they don't, it's on the managers.

 

They won 89 games and were not eliminated until the final weekend in a season where Ellsbury, Pedroia and Yook (the latter only two of the ten best offensive players in the league at that point) all had season ending injuries. They played 53 players and had to give important at-bats to Darnell McDonald, Daniel Nava and Bill Hall. Adrian Beltre was damn near MVP but the team was the walking wounded all season.

[a700hitter]

Blue Jays are slapping around the Rangers again.

[Spudboy]

Blue Jays are slapping around the Rangers again.

 

Oh s***. I must turn the TV on.

[S5Dewey]

Further, Porcello should be banished to the State Of Maine where the Governor wants to bring back the guillotine.

 

Can we work out a trade? Porcillo for Governor LePage? If it were up to me I'd trade LePage for a yellow dog, and then have the dog exiled to Viet Nam.

 

Have you been watching Samantha Bee again?

[Spudboy]

Can we work out a trade? Porcillo for Governor LePage? If it were up to me I'd trade LePage for a yellow dog, and then have the dog exiled to Viet Nam.

 

Have you been watching Samantha Bee again?

 

I get her FB feed, yes.

[georom4]

yea, Francona was AWESOME in 2011 - it was totally not his fault that his players ballooned up like marshmallows and had the fitness of grade school girls while they were more worried about take out chicken and suds than what the score was during a pennant race. Their September performance was the most pathetic Sox effort I had seen in 45 years of watching them. You lost this argument 5 years ago. Francona has no one to blame for his demise but himself. What's the next argument? That Lester's 5/70 offer was a good one? That Manny was in fact a great team player?

[Bellhorn04]

yea, Francona was AWESOME in 2011 - it was totally not his fault that his players ballooned up like marshmallows and had the fitness of grade school girls while they were more worried about take out chicken and suds than what the score was during a pennant race. Their September performance was the most pathetic Sox effort I had seen in 45 years of watching them. You lost this argument 5 years ago. Francona has no one to blame for his demise but himself. What's the next argument? That Lester's 5/70 offer was a good one? That Manny was in fact a great team player?

 

So maybe Francona had a bad year in 2011 - I can concede that. It doesn't alter the fact that his overall record since 2004 is fantastic.

[Kimmi]

I thought he lost the clubhouse that year. Now with saying that, I would have not fired him. I would have not let Theo go as well. Beckett was the bad seed. Lackey and Lester where followers. One top of it replacing him with Bobby V was one more mistake to the list.

 

Tito and Theo should have never been let go. IMO, that was a 'panic' move by Henry, much like letting Cherington go was.

 

Also IMO, Beckett got a terrible rap as being the bad seed. Had the team not collapsed, the whole chicken and beer fiasco would have been viewed as a positive rather than a negative, a kind of bonding thing among the pitchers. As it was, it was blown way out of proportion.

[mvp 78]

So maybe Francona had a bad year in 2011 - I can concede that. It doesn't alter the fact that his overall record since 2004 is fantastic.

 

The rotation was decimated in September. Can't blame that on Tito.

[a700hitter]

Tito and Theo should have never been let go. IMO, that was a 'panic' move by Henry, much like letting Cherington go was.

 

Also IMO, Beckett got a terrible rap as being the bad seed. Had the team not collapsed, the whole chicken and beer fiasco would have been viewed as a positive rather than a negative, a kind of bonding thing among the pitchers. As it was, it was blown way out of proportion.

Theo walked. He is a traitor.

[Spudboy]

Theo walked. He is a traitor.

 

While he did choose to "walk", I don't see him as a traitor.

 

I think he saw his relationship with his superiors as eroded and maybe untenable.

 

If I found myself in a similar position and there was a good offer awaiting me elsewhere I would probably moved on as well.

[a700hitter]

While he did choose to "walk", I don't see him as a traitor.

 

I think he saw his relationship with his superiors as eroded and maybe untenable.

 

If I found myself in a similar position and there was a good offer awaiting me elsewhere I would probably moved on as well.

Not me. If I were Theo, working for my favorite team in my dream job, I would have resolved to outlive LL and gain full control eventually. He was impatient and I view him as a traitor.

[Kimmi]

Theo walked. He is a traitor.

 

I'm with Spud. Theo is not traitor. If I'm in the position where I have to go against my professional values, I'm going to have to bow out.

[a700hitter]

I'm with Spud. Theo is not traitor. If I'm in the position where I have to go against my professional values, I'm going to have to bow out.

He is dead to me.

[Spudboy]

Theo's exit music:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMoVha4ZitA

[Bellhorn04]

Theo just got a 5 year extension from the Cubs...he's getting paid like a damn player-$10 million a year or something crazy. Dude is doing alright for himself.

 

I'm glad he didn't defect to an AL team.

[Kimmi]

Theo's exit music:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMoVha4ZitA

 

Did you see the pictures of Theo wearing a fake mustache at Wrigley Field? I guess he was trying to disguise himself so that he wouldn't be recognized.

[Kimmi]

Theo just got a 5 year extension from the Cubs...he's getting paid like a damn player-$10 million a year or something crazy. Dude is doing alright for himself.

 

I'm glad he didn't defect to an AL team.

 

Dude's a baseball genius. Overpaid, but still a genius.

[Spudboy]

Did you see the pictures of Theo wearing a fake mustache at Wrigley Field? I guess he was trying to disguise himself so that he wouldn't be recognized.

 

Nope.

 

But I did see the Plasmatics 3 times in Boston!