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[S5Dewey]

I always thought that a concussion was a "yes he does" or "no he doesn't" thing. So how can Brock Holt be suffering from a concussion, be healthy enough to play in Pawtucket, but not healthy enough to play in Boston?

[illinoisredsox]

I always thought that a concussion was a "yes he does" or "no he doesn't" thing. So how can Brock Holt be suffering from a concussion, be healthy enough to play in Pawtucket, but not healthy enough to play in Boston?

 

There must be something that isn't quite right. I'm sure they are running the protocols after every game, maybe there are still signs. I know they check for concentration, etc, and there's no sense in bringnig him back only to have him able to play every other day. Has he played 2 full games in row down there yet?

[S5Dewey]

There must be something that isn't quite right. I'm sure they are running the protocols after every game, maybe there are still signs. I know they check for concentration, etc, and there's no sense in bringnig him back only to have him able to play every other day. Has he played 2 full games in row down there yet?

 

Dunno for sure. He was scheduled to have two in a row last week, and then he got himself run out of a game in the 2nd inning for arguing balls and strikes. LOL

[moonslav59]

He might be slow getting his timing down.

[jacksonianmarch]

I find it weird that he's having further symptoms yet the docs are telling him to fight through it. It seems completely against the usual concussion recommendations. Typically a return of symptoms is a return to brain rest, i.e. No sports, tv, cell phone etc.

[Dojji]

Holt himself is probably pushing this. He can't be enjoying just sitteing there not doing anything while the team is struggling this badly.

 

Wouldn't be the first time a team failed to say no to a player who has no businss on the field but was trying to overcome physical inability with "pure grit." I think someone with decision-making power in the Boston hierarchy learned the wrong lesson from Schilling's heroics in 04 and forgot that the patient frequently has no idea how badly off he actually is. For example they really should have forced Lowell to get his hip seen to back in 09 and let Lowrie cover the position while there was still potentially time to get him (Lowell) back for the postseason, and Beckett had no business on the field with his lat in the condition it was in in 08 either.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Dojji

[S5Dewey]

I find it weird that he's having further symptoms yet the docs are telling him to fight through it. It seems completely against the usual concussion recommendations. Typically a return of symptoms is a return to brain rest, i.e. No sports, tv, cell phone etc.

Either he has symptoms or he doesn't, and the sources I hear say that he does.

 

I deal with high school students & sports so I'm a bit - and only a bit - familiar with concussions. As I understand it, the effects of concussion are cumulative and if a player gets "reconcussed" while experiencing symptoms the cumulative affect is worse than if the person had no symptoms at the time. So assuming that the reports are right and Holt is still experiencing the symptoms, why is he playing at any level? Are the balls softer in AAA?

 

I'm not trying to be a PITA, I just truly don't understand what's going on.

[S5Dewey]

Holt himself is probably pushing this. He can't be enjoying just sitteing there not doing anything while the team is struggling this badly.

 

Wouldn't be the first time a team failed to say no to a player who has no businss on the field but was trying to overcome physical inability with "pure grit." I think someone with decision-making power in the Boston hierarchy learned the wrong lesson from Schilling's heroics in 04 and forgot that the patient frequently has no idea how badly off he actually is. For example they really should have forced Lowell to get his hip seen to back in 09 and let Lowrie cover the position while there was still potentially time to get him (Lowell) back for the postseason, and Beckett had no business on the field with his lat in the condition it was in in 08 either.

 

I could very well be this, but if it is it's a sad commentary on how well the team takes care of its players. If Holt is pushing to play in spite of the medical advice IMO he should be TOLD that he's not going to play and his name shouldn't be on a lineup card until his symptoms are cleared up.

[Bellhorn04]

Either he has symptoms or he doesn't, and the sources I hear say that he does.

 

I deal with high school students & sports so I'm a bit - and only a bit - familiar with concussions. As I understand it, the effects of concussion are cumulative and if a player gets "reconcussed" while experiencing symptoms the cumulative affect is worse than if the person had no symptoms at the time. So assuming that the reports are right and Holt is still experiencing the symptoms, why is he playing at any level? Are the balls softer in AAA?

 

I'm not trying to be a PITA, I just truly don't understand what's going on.

 

Concussion symptoms have degrees of severity, no? I don't think it's as clear-cut as you're suggesting.

[mvp 78]

I always thought that a concussion was a "yes he does" or "no he doesn't" thing. So how can Brock Holt be suffering from a concussion, be healthy enough to play in Pawtucket, but not healthy enough to play in Boston?

 

No, that's not how it works.

 

Holt is playing in Pawtucket because he can get a few AB's in and come out of a game whenever he needs to. They are bringing him back as slowly as possible. In Boston, he'd be a waste of a roster spot because you can't commit to him for a whole game and you'll never know if he's going to need a few days off.

[mvp 78]

Concussion symptoms have degrees of severity, no? I don't think it's as clear-cut as you're suggesting.

 

It's not that clear cut. Each concussion is different. Each person recovers differently. That's the reason that Patrice Bergeron has been able to continue his career whereas Marc Savard will never play again.

[Slasher9]

up until a few years ago he would have never even gone on the DL.

[SoxnCycles]

up until a few years ago he would have never even gone on the DL.

 

Scary that these things used to be of the "walk it off" variety of injury.

[Emp9]

It's not that clear cut. Each concussion is different. Each person recovers differently. That's the reason that Patrice Bergeron has been able to continue his career whereas Marc Savard will never play again.

 

This is true. It varies from player to player, from severity and symptoms. That's why I thought it has it's own type of DL, no?

[oldtimer]

I have wondered about Holt. What was the incident that caused him to be put on the DL in the first place? Was it a true jar to the head or were there other causes which left him with dizziness and headaches. The length of time he has been on the DL makes one wonder. The team really needs depth at left field and also as a utility infielder to give spot rests to Pedroia and Bogaerts and possibly Shaw. Holt is a pro and can hit. He would be best to fill those roles but if he can't come, we need to reevaluate whether who the club brought up is a reasonable answer for more than a couple of days.

[SoxnCycles]

I have wondered about Holt. What was the incident that caused him to be put on the DL in the first place? Was it a true jar to the head or were there other causes which left him with dizziness and headaches. The length of time he has been on the DL makes one wonder. The team really needs depth at left field and also as a utility infielder to give spot rests to Pedroia and Bogaerts and possibly Shaw. Holt is a pro and can hit. He would be best to fill those roles but if he can't come, we need to reevaluate whether who the club brought up is a reasonable answer for more than a couple of days.

 

I believe he bounced his face off the turf, diving for a ball.

I also believe this isn't his first concussion.

[a700hitter]

up until a few years ago he would have never even gone on the DL.

He just would have been released after not performing for a while. Corey Koskie of the Twins had his career end as the result of a concussion and continuing effects. That was several years ago. It is not that concussions were completely ignored in the old days. Concussions are fairly rare in baseball as compared to most other sports. Plus, the home plate collision has been legislated out of the game and so has the second base collision. Is there really a need for a mandated concussion protocol in baseball? If a guy gets his bell rung in the playoffs but feels fine the next day, he has to sit out 7 days? The player has no say?.

[moonslav59]

Young had an MRI on Monday that showed the injury was worse than first believed. Looks like he might not be back for a while longer.

[SoxnCycles]

Young had an MRI on Monday that showed the injury was worse than first believed. Looks like he might not be back for a while longer.

 

That stinks.

[Maxbialystock]

That stinks.

 

REally? I started on "referendum on Farrell" thread and there were plenty of people back then who wanted Farrell fired because he kept using Young, including against righties. But I agree with you it does stink--it's bad for him and for the team. What doesn't stink is the policy now that says concussions have to be treated carefully and not glossed over.

[SoxnCycles]

REally? I started on "referendum on Farrell" thread and there were plenty of people back then who wanted Farrell fired because he kept using Young, including against righties. But I agree with you it does stink--it's bad for him and for the team. What doesn't stink is the policy now that says concussions have to be treated carefully and not glossed over.

 

Some fans always want something stupid done, in April or May.

He had great numbers vs leftys last year. There was no reason to think he wouldn't do the same this year.

Can't say I always agreed with Farrell on Young's usage early in the season, but he did bat better vs righties this year than.

 

Farrell probably saw some improvement in that area and decided to get him some at bats vs righties.

Hardly a hanging offense.

[kenmeister]

Hi all,

 

First-time post! I've been lurking for a while though.

 

What are the chances that Brandon Workman will return to be of help this year?

 

I think the return of Brock Holt will be huge, because he's the guy that keeps everybody else fresh.

 

Eduardo Rodriguez's ineffectiveness is, to me, the single biggest reason they may not make the playoffs. Sad; I hope his issues are injury related and he has a chance to be great someday.

[Bellhorn04]

Hi all,

 

First-time post! I've been lurking for a while though.

 

What are the chances that Brandon Workman will return to be of help this year?

 

I think the return of Brock Holt will be huge, because he's the guy that keeps everybody else fresh.

 

Eduardo Rodriguez's ineffectiveness is, to me, the single biggest reason they may not make the playoffs. Sad; I hope his issues are injury related and he has a chance to be great someday.

 

It looks like Workman will be back sometime this season. Who knows how much help he can be this year. Here's hoping the best for him.

[SoxnCycles]

Hi all,

 

First-time post! I've been lurking for a while though.

 

What are the chances that Brandon Workman will return to be of help this year?

 

I think the return of Brock Holt will be huge, because he's the guy that keeps everybody else fresh.

 

Eduardo Rodriguez's ineffectiveness is, to me, the single biggest reason they may not make the playoffs. Sad; I hope his issues are injury related and he has a chance to be great someday.

 

Yup, E-rod's setback was a big disappointment.

After last year, I was hoping he'd be a solid middle rotation guy.

Right now, he looks lost out there.

[mvp 78]

Hi all,

 

First-time post! I've been lurking for a while though.

 

What are the chances that Brandon Workman will return to be of help this year?

 

I think the return of Brock Holt will be huge, because he's the guy that keeps everybody else fresh.

 

Eduardo Rodriguez's ineffectiveness is, to me, the single biggest reason they may not make the playoffs. Sad; I hope his issues are injury related and he has a chance to be great someday.

 

I don't see Workman helping the rotation this year at all. He might fill in at year end if we're out of it.

 

Eddie is just lost out there. Very frustrating to watch.

[Station 13]

I don't expect much out of any of them. E-rod in particular is such a disappointment. this was our #2 guy behind Price heading into the season. He can still be, a lot of work needed in order to make that happen.

[Dojji]

The rotation was built on hopes and dreams to begin with. We needed at least average luck and didn't get it. SEasy to say we shouldn't have been in a position where we had to rely on things going right, but you don't go from terrible to tolerable in a single year without a lot of luck.

[User Name]

I don't see Workman helping the rotation this year at all. He might fill in at year end if we're out of it.

 

Eddie is just lost out there. Very frustrating to watch.

 

Workman is a reliever.

[Emp9]

I don't remember Workman projecting to be more than a BOTR guy. I liked his poise more than his actual stuff in '13. After TJS, maybe he's due for another look? But at this point, we really are throwing anything and everything at the wall to see if anything sticks, as far as the BOTR goes.

[moonslav59]

Another remote choice might be to trade for RP'ers (easier to acquire than SP'ers) and stretch out Barnes to become our 5th starter.