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[mvp 78]

... and not picking up that option would have allowed us to keep Rich Hill.

 

Or any number of other pitchers...

[Dojji]

Exactly.

[Bellhorn04]

And people would be bitching like crazy right now if we signed Chen.

[Slasher9]

... and not picking up that option would have allowed us to keep Rich Hill.

 

we are already over the luxury tax for 2016. if FO wanted Rich Hill this season they would have gotten him. the fact is we had plenty of SP depth when Hill signed his 1 year deal with Oakland.

[mvp 78]

And people would be bitching like crazy right now if we signed Chen.

 

People bitch about everything.

 

I thought they should have picked up Kenta Maeda, but people would just whine about how horrible DiceK was (even though he was pretty good).

[Emp9]

People bitch about everything.

 

I thought they should have picked up Kenta Maeda, but people would just whine about how horrible DiceK was (even though he was pretty good).

 

DiceK's first 3 seasons were pretty darn good. I think we slowly ruined DiceK. We should've just let him be him and not try to have him conform to MLB so much. Just MHO.

[mvp 78]

DiceK's first 3 seasons were pretty darn good. I think we slowly ruined DiceK. We should've just let him be him and not try to have him conform to MLB so much. Just MHO.

 

He had really high mileage on his arm before we got to him.

[Bellhorn04]

DiceK's first 3 seasons were pretty darn good. I think we slowly ruined DiceK. We should've just let him be him and not try to have him conform to MLB so much. Just MHO.

 

I think he also may have gotten a little ruined in the last World Baseball Classic he pitched in. His injury woes really started after that.

[illinoisredsox]

DiceK's first 3 seasons were pretty darn good. I think we slowly ruined DiceK. We should've just let him be him and not try to have him conform to MLB so much. Just MHO.

 

He had 1 good year, 2008 (18-3, 2.90 ERA and he still led the league in BB allowed). 2007 was his next best year (15-12, 4.40) and he pitched only in relief that season, After 2008 he went completely downhill with ERAs of 5.76. 4.69, 5.30 and 8.28 over 56 games his last 4 years. Other than 2008, he was an utter disaster as a starting pitcher.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/matsuda01.shtml

 

While the Sox may have played a part in ruining him, he also seemed to refuse to try and adapt to any North American baseball ways as well. Both parties have some blame in this.

Edited May 26, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[sk7326]

DiceK's first 3 seasons were pretty darn good. I think we slowly ruined DiceK. We should've just let him be him and not try to have him conform to MLB so much. Just MHO.

 

His 2008 season was one of the best shining examples as to where first-pass pitching stats are immensely unhelpful.

[Youk Of The Nation]

He had 1 good year, 2008 (18-3, 2.90 ERA and he still led the league in BB allowed). 2007 was his next best year (15-12, 4.40) and he pitched only in relief that season, After 2008 he went completely downhill with ERAs of 5.76. 4.69, 5.30 and 8.28 over 56 games his last 4 years. Other than 2008, he was an utter disaster as a starting pitcher.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/matsuda01.shtml

 

While the Sox may have played a part in ruining him, he also seemed to refuse to try and adapt to any North American baseball ways as well. Both parties have some blame in this.

 

What? Dice-K started 32 games in 2007, he didn't pitch even one game in relief.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

What? Dice-K started 32 games in 2007, he didn't pitch even one game in relief.

 

Yeah, I was chuckling at that myself.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Yeah, I was chuckling at that myself.

 

I wouldn't chuckle too loud. Your team has had it's share of over-hyped Japanese pitchers imploding in the starting rotation.

[Jasonbay44]

It would be pretty impressive to win 15 games as a relief pitcher

[illinoisredsox]

What? Dice-K started 32 games in 2007, he didn't pitch even one game in relief.

 

Ah, my bad. I wanted to see what his days of rest were in 2007, looked at the Game Log link and it defaulted to 2014.

 

Still, his year was far from being good.

 

(Wish there was a strikethrough formatting option.)

Edited May 26, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

I wouldn't chuckle too loud. Your team has had it's share of over-hyped Japanese pitchers imploding in the starting rotation.

 

I wasn't chuckling about Japanese pitchers.

 

I was chuckling about your lack of knowledge about your favorite team.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I wasn't chuckling about Japanese pitchers.

 

I was chuckling about your lack of knowledge about your favorite team.

 

Not mine, his. But I get your point. I just wanted to make sure, as a Yankees fan, you weren't feeling too comfortable around here.

 

And illinoisredsox, yeah, I understand. Sometimes BR.com does weird default things when I am looking something up. But I think you are right, 2007 still wasn't an overwhelmingly great season considering what we were all expecting going into it.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Not mine, his. But I get your point. I just wanted to make sure, as a Yankees fan, you weren't feeling too comfortable around here.

 

And illinoisredsox, yeah, I understand. Sometimes BR.com does weird default things when I am looking something up. But I think you are right, 2007 still wasn't an overwhelmingly great season considering what we were all expecting going into it.

 

Correct, not yours, but his apparent lack of knowledge.

 

And I'm pretty comfortable around Sawx fans. We have a Beantowne bar in my neighborhood, whenever the Patsies play the Fins or the Sawx play the Marlins my pretty little seaside town becomes infested with visitors from up North.

[devildavid]

Dicek was pretty mediocre and a frustrating pitcher to watch. He was hyped so far beyond his actual ability. We never got to see the mysterious gyro ball but I'll bet it was delicious. The Yanks Tanaka, when healthy, is far superior to DiceK.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Dicek was pretty mediocre and a frustrating pitcher to watch. He was hyped so far beyond his actual ability. We never got to see the mysterious gyro ball but I'll bet it was delicious. The Yanks Tanaka, when healthy, is far superior to DiceK.

 

True, but we also have had Igawa and Irabu the Fat Toad.

[Dojji]

Ah, my bad. I wanted to see what his days of rest were in 2007, looked at the Game Log link and it defaulted to 2014.

 

Still, his year was far from being good.

 

(Wish there was a strikethrough formatting option.)

 

108 ERA+ in 2007. He wasn't fantastic, but he pitched alright,

[Kimmi]

Hopefully he doesnt give up 3 ER in 6 IP. apparently that is a unacceptable start.

 

Only if it's Clay. It is acceptable for all other starters.

[mvp 78]

Just one bad pitch!

[Kimmi]

Just one bad pitch!

 

I'm surprised you didn't go with "No brainer!"

[User Name]

It's acceptable when there aren't four runs allowed, a WHIP over 1.50, and a home run with two or more men on base involved. It was not a good start by any objective measure. Saying otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

[Kimmi]

It's acceptable when there aren't four runs allowed, a WHIP over 1.50, and a home run with two or more men on base involved. It was not a good start by any objective measure. Saying otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

 

It wasn't a good start, but nor was it as bad a start as some of you are making it out to be.

[User Name]

6 IP, 9 baserunners, 3/4 K/BB ratio, 7/13 GB/FB ratio, 1 HR (3-run bomb) allowed.

 

So let's see: More BB's than K's (check), more flyballs than groundballs (check), WHIP of 1.50 or more (check), a homerun with 2 or more men on base (check). Yup, all of the signs of a terrible start are right there. Just because he was lucky to not give up more runs doesn't make the start any less terrible. Let's call a spade a spade.

[mvp 78]

6 IP, 9 baserunners, 3/4 K/BB ratio, 7/13 GB/FB ratio, 1 HR (3-run bomb) allowed.

 

So let's see: More BB's than K's (check), more flyballs than groundballs (check), WHIP of 1.50 or more (check), a homerun with 2 or more men on base (check). Yup, all of the signs of a terrible start are right there. Just because he was lucky to not give up more runs doesn't make the start any less terrible. Let's call a spade a spade.

Stop it! He's already dead.

[mvp 78]

I'm surprised you didn't go with "No brainer!"

 

I like to mix it up just so that people forget I'm a bot.

[Kimmi]

6 IP, 9 baserunners, 3/4 K/BB ratio, 7/13 GB/FB ratio, 1 HR (3-run bomb) allowed.

 

So let's see: More BB's than K's (check), more flyballs than groundballs (check), WHIP of 1.50 or more (check), a homerun with 2 or more men on base (check). Yup, all of the signs of a terrible start are right there. Just because he was lucky to not give up more runs doesn't make the start any less terrible. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

It was not a terrible start. His Fangraphs Gamescore for that game was 42. By their definition, a Gamescore between 40 and 50 is "Below Average". As I said, it wasn't a good start, but it wasn't terrible.