Christian Vazquez

[mvp 78]

Low exit velocity is one of the main reasons why his BA and OPS are low.

 

No, that's is just some new stat... It's irrelevant...

 

I agree. He has a weak bat, but his glove is fantastic. He doesn't have the ceiling of Yadier Molina, but that's ok. I don't expect all my players to wind up in the HOF.

[S5Dewey]

Low exit velocity is one of the main reasons why his BA and OPS are low.

 

Thank you. That's exactly my point. What good does it do me to know that? Am I going to walk up to him and say, "Swing harder"? Probably not, and even if he did swing harder it would most likely negatively impact his offense. That's the kind of information that useless to me.

[a700hitter]

The exit velocity on his bomb against Betances must have been pretty high.

[Hugh2]

Thank you. That's exactly my point. What good does it do me to know that? Am I going to walk up to him and say, "Swing harder"? Probably not, and even if he did swing harder it would most likely negatively impact his offense. That's the kind of information that useless to me.

 

It's not useless, like any stat it tells you something....and like every other stat alone it is flawed. Exit velocity can be a function of two different things A.) a guys natural ability to hit the ball hard and B.) how well he is squaring up the ball.

[Spudboy]

It's not useless, like any stat it tells you something....and like every other stat alone it is flawed. Exit velocity can be a function of two different things A.) a guys natural ability to hit the ball hard and B.) how well he is squaring up the ball.

 

And the entry velocity.

[Hugh2]

And the entry velocity.

 

Next stat will be "effective exit velocity" which makes adjustments for the incoming velocity. That's what we see in 2018.

[southpaw777]

Yeah, thats just too many stats for me...i do get the need for some, and the fun of it. I can tell if hes squaring the ball up though. I dont need a stat to tell me that.

[Slasher9]

Next stat will be "effective exit velocity" which makes adjustments for the incoming velocity. That's what we see in 2018.

 

followed by "ballpark factor effective exit velocity" or the BfeEV

[User Name]

The exit velocity on his bomb against Betances must have been pretty high.

 

It sure was.

[User Name]

Yeah, thats just too many stats for me...i do get the need for some, and the fun of it. I can tell if hes squaring the ball up though. I dont need a stat to tell me that.

 

I bet you're not as effective at perceiving this as you think you are. That's exactly why new stats and research are created.

[Hugh2]

Yeah, thats just too many stats for me...i do get the need for some, and the fun of it. I can tell if hes squaring the ball up though. I dont need a stat to tell me that.

 

That's fair enough, but couldn't you say that about a lot of other things too? "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for avg" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is driving in runs" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for power"

 

I like, and enjoy your posts southpaw and generally always agree with you but that kind of seems like a cop out for not liking a new stat. There seems to be some people who dislike stats but ironically will quote AVG/OBP/SLG/ERA all the time. Those are stats too, no? all a stat is, is a measurement of something and I say the usefulness is definitely up for debate and I'll agree with you and others there but all too often it seems that those who are quick to dismiss a new stat are also those who don't take the time to either understand it or allow enough time to go by to compile data to determine a stats usefulness.

[User Name]

That's fair enough, but couldn't you say that about a lot of other things too? "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for avg" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is driving in runs" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for power"

 

I like, and enjoy your posts southpaw and generally always agree with you but that kind of seems like a cop out for not liking a new stat. There seems to be some people who dislike stats but ironically will quote AVG/OBP/SLG/ERA all the time. Those are stats too, no? all a stat is, is a measurement of something and I say the usefulness is definitely up for debate and I'll agree with you and others there but all too often it seems that those who are quick to dismiss a new stat are also those who don't take the time to either understand it or allow enough time to go by to compile data to determine a stats usefulness.

 

You are now my favorite BDC poster. Welcome to the circle of trust.

[southpaw777]

That's fair enough, but couldn't you say that about a lot of other things too? "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for avg" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is driving in runs" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for power"

 

I like, and enjoy your posts southpaw and generally always agree with you but that kind of seems like a cop out for not liking a new stat. There seems to be some people who dislike stats but ironically will quote AVG/OBP/SLG/ERA all the time. Those are stats too, no? all a stat is, is a measurement of something and I say the usefulness is definitely up for debate and I'll agree with you and others there but all too often it seems that those who are quick to dismiss a new stat are also those who don't take the time to either understand it or allow enough time to go by to compile data to determine a stats usefulness.

 

Please dont misunderstand what Im saying...im all about a good balance with everything in life. That includes the use of all these new stats.

I dont need to use every new stat is what i was saying. Not that i dont understand how they work and what they do...so yes, i dont care about Vaz' velocity coming off the bat to know if hes making solid contact...i can see that he did or not...The fun is seeing how fast it came off his bat. I mean, Hes made great contact only to be hit right at someone. Hes also hit a dribbler for an IF hit...

Seriously, we dont need every new stat out there for every situation, . Its hardly a cop out. Just because I dont feel the need for a certain stat doesnt mean anything. If i find a use for it, ill use it. Its of no use to me in this situation concerning how fast it comes off his bat.

Edited May 27, 2016 by southpaw777

[Hugh2]

Please dont misunderstand what Im saying...im all about a good balance with everything in life. That includes the use of all these new stats.

I dont need to use every new stat is what i was saying. Not that i dont understand how they work and what they do...so yes, i dont care about Vaz' velocity coming off the bat to know if hes making solid contact...i can see that he did or not...The fun is seeing how fast it came off his bat. I mean, Hes made great contact only to be hit right at someone. Hes also hit a dribbler for an IF hit...

Seriously, we dont need every new stat out there for every situation, . Its hardly a cop out. Just because I dont feel the need for a certain stat doesnt mean anything. If i find a use for it, ill use it. Its of no use to me in this situation concerning how fast it comes off his bat.

 

 

I guess we can agree to disagree? My point is, you can't really say a stat is useless unless you've actually used it, compiled some data to support the conclusion that the stat is useless. It's like, you can't say the theory of gravity is meaningless without going through the motions of understanding the theory and actually being able to disprove it. Now generally speaking I agree that you don't need a stat to say a guy is hitting a ball hard so if that is all you're saying I can agree with that....but I don't think that should be analogous with a stat is not useful. To be completely honest, I'm not sure how useful exit velocity is, I see a capacity for it to be useful but just how useful it is will probably be more clear in a few years after it's been measured for a longer period of time.

 

 

You are now my favorite BDC poster. Welcome to the circle of trust.

 

Wait...did we just become best friends????

 

P.S. I hope you've seen step brothers.....otherwise that probably sounds kinda creepy.

[Bellhorn04]

I guess we can agree to disagree? My point is, you can't really say a stat is useless unless you've actually used it, compiled some data to support the conclusion that the stat is useless. It's like, you can't say the theory of gravity is meaningless without going through the motions of understanding the theory and actually being able to disprove it. Now generally speaking I agree that you don't need a stat to say a guy is hitting a ball hard so if that is all you're saying I can agree with that....but I don't think that should be analogous with a stat is not useful. To be completely honest, I'm not sure how useful exit velocity is, I see a capacity for it to be useful but just how useful it is will probably be more clear in a few years after it's been measured for a longer period of time.

 

I have no doubt that exit velocity could be useful for analysis purposes. But at the same time it could be quite useless to the average fan. Personally I don't think it will ever add anything to my baseball experience.

[mvp 78]

Wait...did we just become best friends????

 

P.S. I hope you've seen step brothers.....otherwise that probably sounds kinda creepy.

 

He's only seen the Dominican version Burro Amigos.

[southpaw777]

I guess we can agree to disagree? My point is, you can't really say a stat is useless unless you've actually used it, compiled some data to support the conclusion that the stat is useless. It's like, you can't say the theory of gravity is meaningless without going through the motions of understanding the theory and actually being able to disprove it. Now generally speaking I agree that you don't need a stat to say a guy is hitting a ball hard so if that is all you're saying I can agree with that....but I don't think that should be analogous with a stat is not useful. To be completely honest, I'm not sure how useful exit velocity is, I see a capacity for it to be useful but just how useful it is will probably be more clear in a few years after it's been measured for a longer period of time."

 

 

its useless to me in This situation. Thats all ive been trying to explain.

I dont need to know exaxtly how fast it comes off his bat to know he made solid contact. Simple.

You dont have to use every stat in every situation. In this situation, I didnt find it any more useful than to use my eyes and hear with my ears...Sometimes that really does still work

Its not to say it's totally useless. Thats not what i said or meant to imply. It may be useful to me in another situation. Maybe its useful to you in this situation. Thats cool too.

 

Every stat has a purpose. I get it. I just dont need to rely on them sometimes to know what I see.

[S5Dewey]

I have no doubt that exit velocity could be useful for analysis purposes. But at the same time it could be quite useless to the average fan. Personally I don't think it will ever add anything to my baseball experience.

 

The only value I see in it is the "Wow!" factor.

[User Name]

He's only seen the Dominican version Burro Amigos.

 

I've seen Step Brothers, and it doesn't have a Dominican copycat type thing thankfully.

[User Name]

The only value I see in it is the "Wow!" factor.

 

That's on you broski.

[southpaw777]

The only value I see in it is the "Wow!" factor.

 

Exactly...thats not really important in this situation. More of a novelty stat.

Even when a dude hits a hr. As long as it left the park, who really gives a s***?

We know he hit it hard enough to go over the fence and we know about how far it traveled. What more do we really need to know thats important?

Not saying its useless or it has no purpose, Just That its really not all that important and more of a novelty in some stats...

Edited May 27, 2016 by southpaw777

[Youk Of The Nation]

I get what he means, I just don't get the idea that further understanding baseball is a bad thing. If you want to misinterpret stats, fine, but that's on you.

 

I'm not saying I disagree with you either, I'm just saying that you can never use one stat, especially one like exit velocity, and use that as confirmation that he is not good. I'm not saying you're doing that, but some people have a tendency to.

[a700hitter]

It sure was.

So he can hit the ball pretty hard if he gets the barrel on a good fastball. That is his ceiling. We know that he doesn't get the barrel on pitches in enough ABs. Do we really need average exit velocity to tell us that?

[User Name]

I'm not saying I disagree with you either, I'm just saying that you can never use one stat, especially one like exit velocity, and use that as confirmation that he is not good. I'm not saying you're doing that, but some people have a tendency to.

 

People will back up their unsound opinions with anything, be it the eye test, misinterpreted stats, appeal to authority.....but that's on them.

Edited May 27, 2016 by User Name?

[Youk Of The Nation]

David Ortiz will not be in the Hall of Fame because he is 7000th in career SBs.

[User Name]

So he can hit the ball pretty hard if he gets the barrel on a good fastball. That is his ceiling. We know that he doesn't get the barrel on pitches in enough ABs. Do we really need average exit velocity to tell us that?

 

If you don't understand what average exit velocity and launch angle actually measure and how they are useful, you'll never need it for anything. You are more than welcome to not like or attempt to understand the measurement.

[a700hitter]

That's fair enough, but couldn't you say that about a lot of other things too? "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for avg" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is driving in runs" "I don't need a stat to tell me a guy is hitting for power"

That is also true, but they need to put something in the graphics, and some people who don't watch and follow the games do need the information.

[Jack Flap]

Personally I like that there's an ever-growing smorgasbord of information out there for those who want to understand the game better, and that fans are free to partake of as much or as little of it as they wish.

[Spudboy]

I'm on record for not loving all metrics. Actually I don't trust one.

 

However, computers have given all of us an opportunity to glean all types of useful information about baseball.

 

Knowledge is power.

[Spudboy]

Personally I like that there's an ever-growing smorgasbord of information out there for those who want to understand the game better, and that fans are free to partake of as much or as little of it as they wish.

 

Yup. Well said.

 

Not all fans are built alike.