Curt Schilling

[mvp 78]

I don't think Doji is talking about politics. I will not speak for him, but I think he is addressing intolerance.

 

Are there not conservatives that are intolerant of liberals in other parts of the country?

[Dojji]

Now look who's getting into politics?

 

And even if there were, that does not justify anything. Two wrongs do not make a right. Your completely hypothetical conservatives, and the guys who sandbagged Schilling and Tim Thomas, are both dead wrong for doing so.

[mvp 78]

Gonna demand a link for that. Unfounded speculative BS made up on the spot to accuse someone of wrongdoing is a job best left to our sportswriters.

 

he probably has the ability to leverage his playing career into some kind of income even if he did lose his savings, so no, likely not actually penniless or anything, but you made a specific allegation of a kickback from 38 Studios and I would appreciate it if you either defended it or retracted it.

 

Kickback? Why are you trying to oppress his free speech?

[mvp 78]

Now look who's getting into politics?

 

And even if there were, that does not justify anything. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

So your statement WAS political then?

[Dojji]

yours certainly was. And it was utterly hypothetical and had nothing to do with Curt Schilling or anything else BUT politics.

[Dojji]

Kickback? Why are you trying to oppress his free speech?

 

You're getting loopier and loopier. And I know a thing or two about loopy.

 

The guy made a specific allegation. He should back it up if he can.

Edited May 17, 2016 by Dojji

[mvp 78]

yours certainly was. And it was utterly hypothetical and had nothing to do with Curt Schilling or anything else BUT politics.

 

How is it any different than yours? It wasn't.

 

You also stated that liberals aren't practicing what they preach in terms of tolerance (and that it "disgusted" you), but isn't that what Christians should be doing because they are supposedly following the teachings of Jesus?

 

I don't really care, I just think it's interesting that you refuse to see both sides of the coin. The opinion that disagrees with yours is "political."

[mvp 78]

You're getting loopier and loopier. And I know a thing or two about loopy.

 

The guy made a specific allegation. He should back it up if he can.

 

We all make assumptions on here one way or the other. The assumption is that Curt looked out for his own self interests and that of his family members that were on staff while the ship was sinking. I can't say it's an incorrect one... It's definitely not a "kickback" though.

[sk7326]

"Sold out" "odious" "dicey" LOL!! I guess that you don't like the guy. Those are some pretty strongly negative words. Most evil businessmen don't lose everything if they are just out to screw people.

 

There was a lot that smelled about the 38 Studios thing, both from the state and from him. That doesn't take away Game 6. I don't think he was out to screw anybody (just get a pile of money), but his choice of stakeholders to take care of says stuff about him personally.

 

His Game 6 performance was heroic. But I don't require him to be a hero. After all, Spiderman is a hero. (the Hulk on the other hand is a skin condition)

[Youk Of The Nation]

Schilling has the right to say whatever he wants. ESPN had the right to fire him for doing so.

 

This basically sums up everything, I think. You can choose whether or not to dislike the guy based on this. I dislike him, as a person. However, I will always respect him and like him as a baseball player because of what he did for the Sox. Whether you agree with the non-baseball related stuff he says or not, what it comes down to is that any business wanting to avoid the possibility of losing ad revenue or ending up on the wrong end of a negative PR campaign is going to fire an employee who makes controversial statements about pretty much anything. That's capitalism at it's finest. Arguing in endless loops about why he said what he said, what it means, whether ESPN agrees or disagrees with it, or what kind of a person he is is useless. ESPN made a business decision.

[illinoisredsox]

This basically sums up everything, I think. You can choose whether or not to dislike the guy based on this. I dislike him, as a person. However, I will always respect him and like him as a baseball player because of what he did for the Sox. Whether you agree with the non-baseball related stuff he says or not, what it comes down to is that any business wanting to avoid the possibility of losing ad revenue or ending up on the wrong end of a negative PR campaign is going to fire an employee who makes controversial statements about pretty much anything. That's capitalism at it's finest. Arguing in endless loops about why he said what he said, what it means, whether ESPN agrees or disagrees with it, or what kind of a person he is is useless. ESPN made a business decision.

 

You know him personally? You've actually met him and spent some time with him? If not, you have no basis for this statement.

[Youk Of The Nation]

You know him personally? You've actually met him and spent some time with him? If not, you have no basis for this statement.

 

I dislike him as a person based on all of his personal opinions that he has made public in the years since he left the Red Sox. I'm not sure whether there is any better basis short of meeting someone in person on which to form an opinion. We're not talking about a recluse, here. He's been very vocal about and with his personality for several years now. Unless you're suggesting that all of the things he says are not what he truly believes, I think it's a pretty good basis for my statement.

[illinoisredsox]

I dislike him as a person based on all of his personal opinions that he has made public in the years since he left the Red Sox. I'm not sure whether there is any better basis short of meeting someone in person on which to form an opinion. We're not talking about a recluse, here. He's been very vocal about and with his personality for several years now. Unless you're suggesting that all of the things he says are not what he truly believes, I think it's a pretty good basis for my statement.

 

A very poor reason. One need look no further than the relationship between Ruth Bader Ginsberg and the late Antonin Scalia, who were about as opposite as you can get in regards to judicial philosophy and political opinion, but who were from all reports very close friends, because they actually knew each other as people.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Well, I guess I'm just not as enlightened as Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I suppose I'll have to live with that.

[Bellhorn04]

A very poor reason. One need look no further than the relationship between Ruth Bader Ginsberg and the late Antonin Scalia, who were about as opposite as you can get in regards to judicial philosophy and political opinion, but who were from all reports very close friends, because they actually knew each other as people.

 

I think you're really stretching it. It's nice that those two were friends - obviously they had other things in common. I'm sure there were also other people they knew well that they thought were *******s.

 

I don't dislike Schilling, but it's easy to see how he can rub some people the wrong way. It's not just his politics - he comes off as arrogant.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Well, I guess I'm just not as enlightened as Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I suppose I'll have to live with that.

 

 

Personally speaking... Ruth Bader Ginburg / Antonin Scalia & James Carville / Mary Matlin are two great all American stories of ADULTS who understand that politics should never define your life or your love of people.

 

Those who fail to ever get to that point in their life are poorer for it!

 

I may be center - Right R, but several of my best friends & family members are center-Left Lib. Dems.

 

God life would be an eternal bore surrounding yourself with all like minded thinkers & non-thinkers.

[Dojji]

I think you're really stretching it. It's nice that those two were friends - obviously they had other things in common. I'm sure there were also other people they knew well that they thought were *******s.

 

I don't dislike Schilling, but it's easy to see how he can rub some people the wrong way. It's not just his politics - he comes off as arrogant.

 

He is arrogant. Arrogance is often a side effect of the kind of take-no-crap-from-nobody mindset that Schill was notorious for on the mound. lots of baseball players, especially lots of pitchers who were highly successful in the big league, have that kind of way of looking at the world, they're used to looking people in the eye and beating them, that will breed a certain self confidence that combined with other character traits that help them succeed as big league pitchers, often breeds into arrogance.

[jacksonianmarch]

Met him a couple times. Good guy, straight shooter, can be a bit abrasive. The thing is, he is the anti-PC. He has an opinion, he will share it, and he won't apologize for it. He is what we need more of

[Slasher9]

Gonna demand a link for that. Unfounded speculative BS made up on the spot to accuse someone of wrongdoing is a job best left to our sportswriters.

 

he probably has the ability to leverage his playing career into some kind of income even if he did lose his savings, so no, likely not actually penniless or anything, but you made a specific allegation of a kickback from 38 Studios and I would appreciate it if you either defended it or retracted it.

i'm pretty sure the point of a "forum" is to speculate / give opinions. my opinion is that #38 is not broke. my opinion is that #38 filed for bankruptcy whilst still having millions of dollars of assets. you are free to assume otherwise. or i could "demand" you send me a link that he didn't file for bankruptcy with millions of dollars in personal assets.

http://deadspin.com/various-lowlights-from-curt-schillings-failed-38-studio-1732879364

[jacksonianmarch]

His business went bankrupt. You can still have personal assets, but if your business has no assets, you can declare bankruptcy

[illinoisredsox]

i'm pretty sure the point of a "forum" is to speculate / give opinions. my opinion is that #38 is not broke. my opinion is that #38 filed for bankruptcy whilst still having millions of dollars of assets. you are free to assume otherwise. or i could "demand" you send me a link that he didn't file for bankruptcy with millions of dollars in personal assets.

http://deadspin.com/various-lowlights-from-curt-schillings-failed-38-studio-1732879364

 

All that says is that the company filed for bankruptcy. You very well know that's not the same as filing personal bankruptcy.

 

You mentioned the phrase "golden parachute", which I believe is what you were challenged to provide a link for. Since I know you are extremely thorough in link searches, I'm guessing none exists and you are now attempting to move the goalposts.

[Slasher9]

All that says is that the company filed for bankruptcy. You very well know that's not the same as filing personal bankruptcy.

 

You mentioned the phrase "golden parachute", which I believe is what you were challenged to provide a link for. Since I know you are extremely thorough in link searches, I'm guessing none exists and you are now attempting to move the goalposts.

no. i'm not moving goalposts. i believe Curt walked away with plenty of money. i did not imply what he did was illegal. people do it all the time. Trump has done it a handful of times and he has plenty of money. the list is long of millionaires that have bilked the system. to think that #38 waited until he was completely busted financially before jumping ship with a parachute needs no "link" to know what is true.

i do find it ironic that #38 whines incessantly at liberal, left wing politics but had no problem using "big gov't" to help finance his disastrous enterprise. dont you?

[a700hitter]

His business went bankrupt. You can still have personal assets, but if your business has no assets, you can declare bankruptcy

He lost his entire fortune to the point where he even had to sell his sports awards. This has all been reported. He is not broke because he is still able to earn a living and market himself for memorabilia etc.

[Slasher9]

His business went bankrupt. You can still have personal assets, but if your business has no assets, you can declare bankruptcy

 

absolutely. i never implied he did anything illegal.

[a700hitter]

no. i'm not moving goalposts. i believe Curt walked away with plenty of money. i did not imply what he did was illegal. people do it all the time. Trump has done it a handful of times and he has plenty of money. the list is long of millionaires that have bilked the system. to think that #38 waited until he was completely busted financially before jumping ship with a parachute needs no "link" to know what is true.

i do find it ironic that #38 whines incessantly at liberal, left wing politics but had no problem using "big gov't" to help finance his disastrous enterprise. dont you?

We get that you don't like Curt for his political beliefs, and if you are a Red Sox fan, I call you an ingrate. But don't make up facts. He did not walk away from the business with plenty of money. Those are not the facts because you want them to be. He lost almost his entire personal fortune. I imagine that his home was protected, and his pension is protected (which is peanuts compared to what he lost). He also is still Curt Schilling and he can still get a gig. That doesn't change the fact that he lost a fortune. This notion of him as an evil businessman is preposterous character assassination and smearing. He is a bad businessman. Crooked businessmen don't lose their own fortunes.

[Slasher9]

We get that you don't like Curt for his political beliefs, and if you are a Red Sox fan, I call you an ingrate. But don't make up facts. He did not walk away from the business with plenty of money. Those are not the facts because you want them to be. He lost almost his entire personal fortune. I imagine that his home was protected, and his pension is protected (which is peanuts compared to what he lost). He also is still Curt Schilling and he can still get a gig. That doesn't change the fact that he lost a fortune. This notion of him as an evil businessman is preposterous character assassination and smearing. He is a bad businessman. Crooked businessmen don't lose their own fortunes.

post #13 of this thread......

[a700hitter]

post #13 of this thread......

To me that post is nothing more than when someone prefaces his insult with the statement "with all due respect". If you want to talk about Curt and his baseball career, I am up for that and this would be the place to do it. If you want to smear him, which is what you are doing by making up fact about his failed business, I still think you are being an ingrate.

[Slasher9]

what facts did i makeup? that he was still wealthy when 38studios went bankrupt?

have you ever seen his mansion in PA? 90% of this countries population could live their entire lives with the proceeds from the sale of that place.

Does he still own Drew Bledsoe's mansion in Medford?

[a700hitter]

what facts did i makeup? that he was still wealthy when 38studios went bankrupt?

have you ever seen his mansion in PA? 90% of this countries population could live their entire lives with the proceeds from the sale of that place.

Does he still own Drew Bledsoe's mansion in Medford?

You made it seem like he got out of it unscathed. And residences are generally exempt from the bankrupt estate. He got hurt financially very badly by his poor business judgement. He didn't "bilk" (your word) anyone out of anything.

[redsoxdirtdog]

All that says is that the company filed for bankruptcy. You very well know that's not the same as filing personal bankruptcy.

 

You mentioned the phrase "golden parachute", which I believe is what you were challenged to provide a link for. Since I know you are extremely thorough in link searches, I'm guessing none exists and you are now attempting to move the goalposts.

 

 

The difference, as I understand it, is that Schilling invested somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 million of his own personal money into the business. So........ did he lose a small fortune personally? Yes. Is he totally broke? Perhaps not. But he sure ain't filthy rich anymore.

 

He blew it with this company, but I think he wanted to do a good thing. Be successful. Create jobs... etc. But he clearly is not as bright as he thinks he is.

I make be somewhere on the spectrum of the same political aisle as Schill, but I believe that the Schill, Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell wing of my party is destroying it with some pretty brainless rhetoric.

Then again, the Dem. Nutty wing is sending them over the nutjob far left cliff.

 

Slash was fundamentally right though, although we disagree on most things political.

 

s***** businessman.

Says really stupid things politically. ( yes. The double standard for left wing sports guts is obvious. I get it & it's laughable )

Red Sox all time GREAT, who should never buy a drink in Boston.