Curt Schilling

[a700hitter]

The difference, as I understand it, is that Schilling invested somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 million of his own personal money into the business. So........ did he lose a small fortune personally? Yes. Is he totally broke? Perhaps not. But he sure ain't filthy rich anymore.

 

He blew it with this company, but I think he wanted to do a good thing. Be successful. Create jobs... etc. But he clearly is not as bright as he thinks he is.

I make be somewhere on the spectrum of the same political aisle as Schill, but I believe that the Schill, Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell wing of my party is destroying it with some pretty brainless rhetoric.

Then again, the Dem. Nutty wing is sending them over the nutjob far left cliff.

 

Slash was fundamentally right though, although we disagree on most things political.

 

s***** businessman.

Says really stupid things politically. ( yes. The double standard for left wing sports guts is obvious. I get it & it's laughable )

Red Sox all time GREAT, who should never buy a drink in Boston.

Curt's biggest miscalculation was he completely underestimated the capital requirements in the video game industry. It takes an incredible amount of money to bring a successful game to market. He just couldn't compete.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Alright, well, we have devolved into political bashing, which I guess I should have expected.

 

Let's stay focused on the non-political-specific topics. You guys can argue about bankruptcy laws and business acumen until your fingers fall off, I don't really care. You can talk about how you love Schilling or don't like him because of his very loud opinions. I've already done that anyways.

 

However, the next post that contains the words liberal, conservative, or anything of the like, is going to get this locked. There are a lot of places for that kind of thing, but a cursory glance at the AG and F&C archives should show you what kind of Molotov cocktails start flying when that stuff starts being debated. Besides all that, this is the Talk Sox forum, so let's try to keep that in mind at the very least.

Edited May 18, 2016 by Youk Of The Nation

[Palodios]

Curt's biggest miscalculation was he completely underestimated the capital requirements in the video game industry. It takes an incredible amount of money to bring a successful game to market. He just couldn't compete.

 

He hired all the right people, and his first game was excellent. His vision was just too big, and had his studio working on too many nonprofitable things. There were interviews of people saying he would walk into a room and tell the team to throw out weeks of work because he wanted something else.

 

I also never understood why they were trying to work on three different games when they had the money to work on one.

[Slasher9]

his blog (38 pitches) was amazing during his pitching days. he would give behind the scenes look, break down games, batters, strategies, thought processes. it was fabulous reading. and that was years ago. i wonder if any other pitchers are doing something similar?

you can read the archives of them on his blog site.

[a700hitter]

He hired all the right people, and his first game was excellent. His vision was just too big, and had his studio working on too many nonprofitable things. There were interviews of people saying he would walk into a room and tell the team to throw out weeks of work because he wanted something else.

 

I also never understood why they were trying to work on three different games when they had the money to work on one.

I don't know. I guess that as an athlete he was able to succeed through hard work and sheer will, and that he thought he could approach business in the same way. That is just a guess.

[a700hitter]

his blog (38 pitches) was amazing during his pitching days. he would give behind the scenes look, break down games, batters, strategies, thought processes. it was fabulous reading. and that was years ago. i wonder if any other pitchers are doing something similar?

you can read the archives of them on his blog site.

And he was the only one worth listening to in the ESPN booth.

[illinoisredsox]

And he was the only one worth listening to in the ESPN booth.

 

I find Herschiser does a lot of the same things (how to attack a batter, etc.) and I like listening to him. The ESPN weekday guys are better than the weekenders IMO.

 

I've found most color guys have a shelf life, no matter what the sport. McCarver was good when he first started out. So was Morgan. Madden was like that in football. All faded after several seasons and stayed well beyond their useful time.

[Spudboy]

what facts did i makeup? that he was still wealthy when 38studios went bankrupt?

have you ever seen his mansion in PA? 90% of this countries population could live their entire lives with the proceeds from the sale of that place.

Does he still own Drew Bledsoe's mansion in Medford?

 

The town is Medfield.

 

He put that place up for sale quite a while ago.

[a700hitter]

The town is Medfield.

 

He put that place up for sale quite a while ago.

He got to keep the house, but probably could not afford the taxes.

[Spudboy]

And he was the only one worth listening to in the ESPN booth.

 

This.

 

Other than him being rude and abrasive to Tommy Archer last post-season, Schill was an excellent analyst and commentator.

 

Now we are stuck listening to Boone and an expert on women's college softball.

[Spudboy]

He got to keep the house, but probably could not afford the taxes.

 

I don't know his details but when you file Chapter 7 you can take one Homestead Exemption, I believe.

 

In any case, he did try to sell the Medfield house. I don't know if he sold it or not.

[mvp 78]

I don't know his details but when you file Chapter 7 you can take one Homestead Exemption, I believe.

 

In any case, he did try to sell the Medfield house. I don't know if he sold it or not.

 

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7-Woodridge-Rd-Medfield-MA-02052/57457685_zpid/

 

Was not sold and has been taken off the market again.

[Bellhorn04]

It just baffles me that a guy like Schilling would stake his financial well-being on freaking video games.

[Youk Of The Nation]

It just baffles me that a guy like Schilling would stake his financial well-being on freaking video games.

 

Yeah, I always thought that was a little strange. I guess he saw what he thought was a good investment opportunity.

[mvp 78]

His two greatest loves were baseball and video games. After he was no good at baseball, he thought he could make a career out of video games and create the next World of Warcraft. If he had surrounded himself with gaming professionals, listened to them and avoided hiring family, he probably could have succeeded with the video game industry. The problem was that he really had no idea what he was doing.

[a700hitter]

His two greatest loves were baseball and video games. After he was no good at baseball, he thought he could make a career out of video games and create the next World of Warcraft. If he had surrounded himself with gaming professionals, listened to them and avoided hiring family, he probably could have succeeded with the video game industry. The problem was that he really had no idea what he was doing.

My understanding is that he did hire top professionals. He was putting together a good game, but they simply fell way short of funds.

[User Name]

The funding was not the problem. It was financial planning and unrealistic deadlines. In the end, I think Schilling fell prey to his own inexperience in the area of business management, and his own arrogance. I don't think, however, that any of it came with the desire to harm or deceive people. If anything, by all accounts he treated his employees like rock stars, and that's the main problem: He treated a startup like an established, billion-dollar sports franchise.

 

Fwiw, I bought the game they made (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning), and it was pretty good. There was a future there had the studio been better at managing their finances.

[a700hitter]

The funding was not the problem. It was financial planning and unrealistic deadlines. In the end, I think Schilling fell prey to his own inexperience in the area of business management, and his own arrogance. I don't think, however, that any of it came with the desire to harm or deceive people. If anything, by all accounts he treated his employees like rock stars, and that's the main problem: He treated a startup like an established, billion-dollar sports franchise.

 

Fwiw, I bought the game they made (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning), and it was pretty good. There was a future there had the studio been better at managing their finances.

I know very little about video games, but my son is very knowledgeable about them and he shared your opinion about his game.

[Dojji]

It just baffles me that a guy like Schilling would stake his financial well-being on freaking video games.

 

it's a high risk market, but the reward is also high if you manage to create a game that captures the imagination.

[mvp 78]

Fwiw, I bought the game they made (Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning), and it was pretty good. There was a future there had the studio been better at managing their finances.

 

The bloody sock DLC was fantastic.

[Bellhorn04]

it's a high risk market, but the reward is also high if you manage to create a game that captures the imagination.

 

I get that. But I am guessing Schilling was pretty well-off before this venture. He literally bet the farm. It was a terrible risk IMO.

[User Name]

Their game captured the imagination, and it sold well. The problem (again) is that he treated a startup like a big-market developer like, say, EA or Square-Enix. A small outfit like From Software was when they developed their first hit (Demon's Souls) had spent half of what 38S spent on Amalur's development cycle on their entire King's Field series and most of Demon's Souls, which is now Dark Souls/Bloodborne and an enourmous, multi-million dollar franchise.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Bottom line. If you get a chance to watch that ALCS, & the incredible bloody sock drama of game 6, you will at least remember how great he was as a Red Sox player. That was fantastic stuff!

 

We all know why many "don't like him," & likely if he had strong opinions of a different persuasion, he probably would still be employed. He knew the risks. He had been warned. I personally think he was crazy to knowingly walk head first into that buzz-saw, knowing he would likely get canned. That's on him.

 

The business? When I heard what he was doing, I thought it was nuts. I wish I could recall just how much he put in, but I know it was a small fortune. Too bad! Bad business advice.... that is if he was taking any.

 

Talking politics on a public stage when you are in business, and you can alienate 1/2 your customers? ??? Never a good idea. No matter what side you are on. Too bad we have such polarized sides!!!

[redsoxdirtdog]

just looked it up. He did say he lost $50 million personally. ... ouch!

[Dojji]

Yep. He failed at business. He didn't steal anyone's money, he lost it because he din't know what he was doing. That's bad enough, no need to make up crap to make it look worse.

[redsoxdirtdog]

But, at least we can just dislike him for what he "says," and simply intimate that he is a douche-nozzle, without mentioning from which side of the aisle he hails. So long as we simply intimate that he is a douche-nozzle because of the Party from which he hails.... it's all good. That's the important thing! Just don't mention Party labels.... or one's ideological persuasion. Just don't mention L or C, R or D, and it's perfectly ok to impugn someone's "character?" So long as you stay "no labels," it's all good. AND.... if you just "don't like a guy," and you are obtuse.... you can make the guy out to be a total "ass-hat," & it's all good....... intimation good! Saying things directly bad.

 

as i've said... i'm not down with his rhetoric. I don't like the way some in "his camp," ( hope that meets PC standards ) frame political issues. BUT........ I most certainly do not like the way others, in the polar oposite "camp" ( again... hope that meets PC standards of this board ) frame and demagogue political issues. BUT seriously..... we all know that if Schill had a "different / opposite" political perspective, the guy would be a rock star at ESPN.

 

calm down now..... breathe......

[Youk Of The Nation]

I don't really know how much clearer I could have been. Talksox is not a political debate site, and political debate almost always, always ends in arguments and personal attacks. So don't talk about them, and don't post obnoxious, sarcastic references to them after I ask you nicely not to talk about them.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Just to be clear.... you can have very strong, & clearly political opinions, so long as you don't mention what? So long as you are the moderator? You can impugn the guy's character... clearly on political grounds. But 8f you are rebutted, you play the moderator, & say that's off bounds?

[redsoxdirtdog]

Hey. No problem. Just want to know your rules.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Let'S NOT F about. You hate Schill. You hate him, as you said, for "the things he says." You impugn his character, "for the things he says." DUDE. Do you just think we're stupid? We get it. You guys are all about not impugning a players character...... but .....

 

Hope it's ok to call out the moderator on a thread he has taken over.