Curt Schilling

[redsoxdirtdog]

Just watching ESPN's O4 World Series in my hotel room in Eugene OR.

 

Game 6 with Schilling was EPIC! What a flood of great memories!!!!

 

Schilling may have become an EPIC politically charged jerk, but I defy you to watch that & feel anything other than pure admiration, respect, gratitude, pride, elation, exticy, & LOVE!

 

Right now, I love the guy!

 

p.s. sorry for the aside. Neuro-surgeon tomorrow.... Wanted to see the scenes from today's win, & got a real treat. I haven't watched that ALCS series all the way through on tape before. A little here. A little there, but never all the way through. GREAT STUFF! Great memories! The series I knew i'd marry my now wife. Game 4. So here I am 12 years later with her & our 9 year old.

[redsoxdirtdog]

p.s. yes. I know he's become a bloody nut, but I still don't let it get to me. When I think bloody nut, it's always overshadowed by that bloody sock!

 

How 'bout a little love for Schill?

[redsoxdirtdog]

I still listen to Boston Sports radio whenever I can, so I know he's gone way off the deep end, but I still think he has earned a lifetime pass of his kooky shyte for all he's done for us??? I bang on guys pretty hard, but when it comes right down to it, i'm pretty damned forgiving.

 

The guy has lost so much, & I can't help but remember all he's given us all.

[a700hitter]

Unless he starts killing cats and dogs for fun, I will always put Big Schill on a well deserved pedestal.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Unless he starts killing cats and dogs for fun, I will always put Big Schill on a well deserved pedestal.

 

 

The only animals that Schill has ever hurt were in video games as f a r as I know.

[Bellhorn04]

Game 6 showed that the baseball gods had finally decided to smile upon the Red Sox. Getting Schilling ready to pitch and getting 7 strong innings out of him was a miracle. The only other pitcher we had who was anywhere near fresh was Arroyo.

[jad]

I still listen to Boston Sports radio whenever I can, so I know he's gone way off the deep end, but I still think he has earned a lifetime pass of his kooky shyte for all he's done for us??? I bang on guys pretty hard, but when it comes right down to it, i'm pretty damned forgiving.

 

The guy has lost so much, & I can't help but remember all he's given us all.

 

Tell it to the Rhode Island taxpayers who are still paying for his failed video-game operation.

[mvp 78]

Tell it to the Rhode Island taxpayers who are still paying for his failed video-game operation.

 

This has as much to do with the incompetent and corrupt RI government as it does with Schill. I don't like Schill, but he gets too much of the blame pie for this. It's at least 50/50 in who was at fault for the tax burden. Curt gets 100% of the blame for all of the employee issues that happened.

[SoxnCycles]

Tell it to the Rhode Island taxpayers who are still paying for his failed video-game operation.

 

It's the government.

If they hadn't wasted the money on Schilling's business, they would've wasted it on something else.

[mvp 78]

It's the government.

If they hadn't wasted the money on Schilling's business, they would've wasted it on something else.

 

For those that don't live/work in RI, the government is really corrupt and horrible. There have been a few recent arrests of legislators, but it barely passes as news anymore because of how much money is wasted annually.

[SoxnCycles]

Yeah, I've read bits and pieces about how bad the political corruption down there is.

A byproduct of being the base of operations for the Patriarca family, I suppose.

[illinoisredsox]

Tell it to the Rhode Island taxpayers who are still paying for his failed video-game operation.

 

Start-up businesses fail all the time for all kinds of reasons. That's true whether the name behind the business is a celebrity or Joe Schmo average taxpayer. I'll assume you have the same vitriol and position for Joe Schmo as well.

 

Whether or not a Government should be involved in helping a new business with start-up capital is a different question. In an ideal world, IMO, they should not be. But I also understand that if Rhode Island chooses not to do it but Massachusetts or Connecticut do, then those potential jobs (and tax revenue) go to those states, not Rhode Island. (No idea if MA or CT do, but I suspect most states have some program along these lines).

[Slasher9]

pitching for the red sox - Amazing

ceo of 38studios - Disaster

political rants - Embarrassing

 

he was an important piece of breaking the curse. he should never pay for a beer in NE.....

[a700hitter]

It's the government.

If they hadn't wasted the money on Schilling's business, they would've wasted it on something else.

This pretty much how governments operate. When I moved to my current home 25 years ago, the local government was trying to shove a incinerator down our throats. They were going to put it spitting distance from the Bethpage Golf Course. At a Town Hall Meeting, that was forced upon the politicians, "our representatives" told us that they couldn't put the project up for a referendum, because that would not be allowed by NY's Constitution. I pointed out to them that there were many other ways to gauge the opinion of their constituents, but they opted to go forward with the project under cover of darkness. Then the representative of the Incinerator company disingenuously tried to influence us by telling us that our taxes for garbage carting would go down, to which I replied that I wouldn't hold my breath, because what would be saved on garbage carting would be spent by the politicians on something else. Even the most politically unaware constituent understood that local taxes never go down. In the end the local citizens unmasked the politicians and their secret deal and they were all ousted in the next election. As his last act in office afterlosing the election, the Town Supervisor killed the deal. Damn politicians. In NH, the politicians managed to hurt the taxpayers and Schilling.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Tell it to the Rhode Island taxpayers who are still paying for his failed video-game operation.

 

 

Did the guy not lose pretty much everything also? To me, that says terrible businessman, but no ill-intent?

 

How many big businessmen start something like this, pony up tens of millions of their own money, & personally take a blood-bath? Most only lose our money.

 

I think Slash has it right.

[mvp 78]

Did the guy not lose pretty much everything also? To me, that says terrible businessman, but no ill-intent?

 

How many big businessmen start something like this, pony up tens of millions of their own money, & personally take a blood-bath? Most only lose our money.

 

I think Slash has it right.

 

Well, he also guaranteed people things like mortgage payments and health insurance coverage but screwed them over without ever giving them a heads up. His lack of transparency was pretty much ill intent. When you are hiding your financial troubles and telling your employees that everything is ok, it's ill intent.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Well, he also guaranteed people things like mortgage payments and health insurance coverage but screwed them over without ever giving them a heads up. His lack of transparency was pretty much ill intent. When you are hiding your financial troubles and telling your employees that everything is ok, it's ill intent.

 

 

Forgot about that. I guess I meant no ill-intent when he started it up. As I say... I didn't follow it that closely.

 

Good point.

[mvp 78]

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/07/38-studios-end-game/

 

If anyone doesn't remember or wants to learn more, check out the link. It's probably the best article concerning the 38 Studios nonsense.

[gojohn99]

Well said

 

 

pitching for the red sox - Amazing

ceo of 38studios - Disaster

political rants - Embarrassing

 

he was an important piece of breaking the curse. he should never pay for a beer in NE.....

[Kimmi]

From a baseball standpoint, Schilling has earned a lifetime pass with me. What he did in 2004 was nothing short of amazing. I do not understand anybody trying to downplay that.

[Thunder]

On the field, I'm still a big fan. Off the field, not so much. Following him on Twitter is a drag. He's outspoken, judgmental, and is always boasting his political views, none of which I agree with.

 

Of course, I cannot really recall his best Sox moments, which is sad for a guy like me, who can't remember much at all from the '04 playoffs.

[redsoxdirtdog]

On the field, I'm still a big fan. Off the field, not so much. Following him on Twitter is a drag. He's outspoken, judgmental, and is always boasting his political views, none of which I agree with.

 

Of course, I cannot really recall his best Sox moments, which is sad for a guy like me, who can't remember much at all from the '04 playoffs.

 

 

I miss the combinatorial of Schill & Tek pouring over data about hitters every time the Sox were up. These 2 weren't just great. They made themselves great. They never seemed to rest. Always looking to exploit the hitters flaws!

 

04 was PURE MAGIC! Winning the World Series was awesome, but almost a let down after that ALCS. The greatest ALCS of all time!

[Thunder]

I miss the combinatorial of Schill & Tek pouring over data about hitters every time the Sox were up. These 2 weren't just great. They made themselves great. They never seemed to rest. Always looking to exploit the hitters flaws!

 

04 was PURE MAGIC! Winning the World Series was awesome, but almost a let down after that ALCS. The greatest ALCS of all time!

 

If I'm understanding it correctly, Schill and Tek "pouring over data" about hitters like that seems like it was way ahead of their time. Being in the Steroids Era made that even more difficult, and makes his accomplishments stick out even more.

[illinoisredsox]

On the field, I'm still a big fan. Off the field, not so much. Following him on Twitter is a drag. He's outspoken, judgmental, and is always boasting his political views, none of which I agree with.

 

Of course, I cannot really recall his best Sox moments, which is sad for a guy like me, who can't remember much at all from the '04 playoffs.

 

Good attitude. The latter should have nothing to do with the former. Slasher and I are about as opposite politically as you can get, but we agree >95% of the time on the important thing here, the Sox.

[a700hitter]

Well, he also guaranteed people things like mortgage payments and health insurance coverage but screwed them over without ever giving them a heads up. His lack of transparency was pretty much ill intent. When you are hiding your financial troubles and telling your employees that everything is ok, it's ill intent.

No cats or dogs were killed, so I don't care. The people that don't like him don't like him for his politics. He lost everything. I don't throw rocks at him for being a bad businessman. He didn't defraud anyone. His intent was to keep the business going. He ran out of time and money. Case closed.

[redsoxdirtdog]

If I'm understanding it correctly, Schill and Tek "pouring over data" about hitters like that seems like it was way ahead of their time. Being in the Steroids Era made that even more difficult, and makes his accomplishments stick out even more.

 

 

That always stuck out with me. Both were physically talented!!! NO doubt! But it was their prep work that put them over the top!

 

If I were running the Sox, I would put Tek in charge of catcher prep. I think he works for the Sox, but i'm not sure in what capacity?

 

Anyway.... I remember hearing & seeing that Schilling was the same.

[Dojji]

No cats or dogs were killed, so I don't care. The people that don't like him don't like him for his politics. He lost everything. I don't throw rocks at him for being a bad businessman. He didn't defraud anyone. His intent was to keep the business going. He ran out of time and money. Case closed.

 

It's gotten to the point in this country that a certain brand of political viewpoint is enough to get one rejected and ostracized even when that viewpoint is not so far removed from the mainstream. to dare risking politics for a second, I think the only absolutely controversial position Schilling ever took was standing out in favor of Creationism. Since Curt Schilling isn't a molecular biologist, I kinda feel like he should be left to his own viewpoints and not harrassed because of them -- people seem to be disagreeing with that though and because he's disagreeable enough to not only have controversial opinions but also dare to express them openly, that somehow makes it fair game to set him up as the next Jurassic Carl, and it seems to have found a way to color every other perception of the man.

 

I kinda feel like this is like the smear job that was run against Tim Thomas after refusing to meet with President Obama and daring to reveal his right wing politics following the Bruins' Stanley Cup win. And I find both attitudes absolutely execrable -- and worse, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WINNING IN THIS TOWN.

 

If we insist on heroes that share every opinion we have, the list of our heroes is going to be a very short one indeed. If the mess we make of former athletic heroes who have controversial opinions drives one guy who could have put us over the top, away from this town because for whatever reason the media declare him to be socially unacceptable and the general wool-bearing public goes along with it, then the media has stopped covering the story and started trying to become the story, and they have hurt our teams in the process. That is not OK.

 

I still wonder what the Bruins could have accomplished if the media didn't set out to deliberately burn the bridges with Tim Thomas hn the 2012-2013 season. Tuukka's a good professional goaltender, but Tim put the team in his back in 2011 in a way that Tuukka never has. Anyu of you guys who are also Bruin fans remember how that year ended, with Tuukka just letting a couple bad goals in in the last second of an elimination game. You have to wonder if maybe TT would have been a bit more focused with that kind of game on the line, he was always a big game goalie. Driving Thomas away from this town could quite literally have cost this town a date with Lord Stanley, we'll never know and no one ever will hold the media responsible for their part of pushing Thomas out of Boston. despite the fact that they're the ones who were pathologically incapable to FREAKING DROP IT and let the guy have his goddamn opinion.

Edited May 17, 2016 by Dojji

[Slasher9]

politics are so divisive in 2016 that if you are an athlete (or ex athlete) and make political statements it will pizz off 50% of the USA population. no matter what stance you take or what you say you are going to make 50% mad. This is no secret. by continuing to speak and post his political agenda on social media platforms Curt was inviting the consequences.

[illinoisredsox]

It's gotten to the point in this country that a certain brand of political viewpoint is enough to get one rejected and ostracized even when that viewpoint is not so far removed from the mainstream. to dare risking politics for a second, I think the only absolutely controversial position Schilling ever took was standing out in favor of Creationism. Since Curt Schilling isn't a molecular biologist, I kinda feel like he should be left to his own viewpoints and not harrassed because of them -- people seem to be disagreeing with that though and because he's disagreeable enough to not only have controversial opinions but also dare to express them openly, that somehow makes it fair game to set him up as the next Jurassic Carl, and it seems to have found a way to color every other perception of the man.

 

I kinda feel like this is like the smear job that was run against Tim Thomas after refusing to meet with President Obama and daring to reveal his right wing politics following the Bruins' Stanley Cup win. And I find both attitudes absolutely execrable -- and worse, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WINNING IN THIS TOWN.

 

If we insist on heroes that share every opinion we have, the list of our heroes is going to be a very short one indeed. If the mess we make of former athletic heroes who have controversial opinions drives one guy who could have put us over the top, away from this town because for whatever reason the media declare him to be socially unacceptable and the general wool-bearing public goes along with it, then the media has stopped covering the story and started trying to become the story, and they have hurt our teams in the process. That is not OK.

 

I still wonder what the Bruins could have accomplished if the media didn't set out to deliberately burn the bridges with Tim Thomas hn the 2012-2013 season. Tuukka's a good professional goaltender, but Tim put the team in his back in 2011 in a way that Tuukka never has. Anyu of you guys who are also Bruin fans remember how that year ended, with Tuukka just letting a couple bad goals in in the last second of an elimination game. You have to wonder if maybe TT would have been a bit more focused with that kind of game on the line, he was always a big game goalie. Driving Thomas away from this town could quite literally have cost this town a date with Lord Stanley, we'll never know and no one ever will hold the media responsible for their part of pushing Thomas out of Boston. despite the fact that they're the ones who were pathologically incapable to FREAKING DROP IT and let the guy have his goddamn opinion.

 

Very well said Dojii.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox fans used to boo the crap out of Bob Stanley - who was/is all by accounts a nice guy who always did his best - but he became a sort of symbol of the team's failures in the clutch.

 

So in 2004 Keith Foulke turns in one of the greatest clutch pitching performances ever as the team finally wins it all.

 

Next thing you know, Foulke is getting raked over the coals for his 'Johnny from Burger King' remark.

 

That really pissed me off. Do you want guys who are clutch or do you want nice guys? Make up your freaking mind.