2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[moonslav59]

Sean McAdam

 

It appears the Boston Red Sox will be adding Yoan Moncada to their roster tomorrow.

 

 

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/sounds-moncada-will-join-red-sox-thursday

 

If he ends up playing at 3B for a significant period of time, is everyone happy with how much time they gave him on the farm to re-familiarize himself to playing 3B?

 

Just wondering what people thought.

 

It may not even happen. He may be used only as a PR'er, PH'er, DH and possibly a little spot duty at 2B or 3B, but I'm thinking it was a good thing he got some time at 3B at AA, despite the uproar it caused on this board, when I suggested we start thinking about giving him some reps at 3B sooner rather than later.

 

Now, I'm wondering if "sooner" was soon enough.

[sk7326]

Move makes sense - I don't think there will some sort of weird Dwayne Hosey-ing going on here. (or Doug Flutie in 1986 if you are even older) A bat off the bench and pinch runner - and some spot duty. As noted previously, his minor league profile shows a record of physical domination with some spotty craft (extremely high strikeout rate which scouting would need to suss out for context and importance). But it'll be exciting to see him either way.

[oldtimer]

With JF's coments just a day ago it looked iffy. Maybe the poor showing last night changed his mind.

[Hugh2]

I honestly don't understand why they couldn't just bring him up a day earlier, one freaking day. If he smashes, which is a decent possibility then he makes this team so much better and more dynamic.

[Hugh2]

I honestly don't understand why they couldn't just bring him up a day earlier, one freaking day. If he smashes, which is a decent possibility then he makes this team so much better and more dynamic.

 

Ok, I suppose I understand....perhaps I was just expecting it and was let down. #releaseMoncada

[Nick]

I sincerely believe Sox approach for Moncada was stupid. Going in everyone on the planet knew that Sox had a second baseman. Moncada should have been moved to another position immediately. Why wait? I don't give a damn how many errors he would have made at the beginning. We paid FREAKING $60M for this guy, and not to play 2B.

 

And now we are concerned that perhaps he didn't get enough reps at 3B? Whose damn fault is that?

 

Trade Shaw for a young reliever. So what if becomes a star 5 years from now? Our window is this year and next two years. It could be much longer but we have 3 seasons with our starting pitching intact and most of the position players signed.

[sk7326]

I sincerely believe Sox approach for Moncada was stupid. Going in everyone on the planet knew that Sox had a second baseman. Moncada should have been moved to another position immediately. Why wait? I don't give a damn how many errors he would have made at the beginning. We paid FREAKING $60M for this guy, and not to play 2B.

 

And now we are concerned that perhaps he didn't get enough reps at 3B? Whose damn fault is that?

 

Trade Shaw for a young reliever. So what if becomes a star 5 years from now? Our window is this year and next two years. It could be much longer but we have 3 seasons with our starting pitching intact and most of the position players signed.

 

Who is concerned about him not getting enough reps playing 3rd. It's a pretty straightforward philosophy - moving from the middle to a corner is straightforward - so keep the guy in the middle until you are sure he can't do it. Moncada tried - but ultimately the odds are against a guy built like Dez Bryant to be a middle infielder. Now it can happen (see what Corey Seager is doing) and he came up at SS, so you ought to try it if you can - it makes him more valuable.

 

The org is clearly trying to be more careful with Moncada either way. I don't think the position he played matter much either way.

[Jack Flap]

Moncada called up to Boston:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/red-sox-promote-yoan-moncada.html

[Wade Boggs]

Moncada called up to Boston:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/red-sox-promote-yoan-moncada.html

 

You got it. Will be added to roster. Yoan Moncada will join team in Oakland. Breaking News... WEEI.Com .

[moonslav59]

What an amazing rise for Moncada!

 

The Sox have now had three players in recent years ripping through the system at break-neck speed (Betts, Beni & Moncada).

 

Good luck Yoan!

[SoxHop]

What an amazing rise for Moncada!

 

The Sox have now had three players in recent years ripping through the system at break-neck speed (Betts, Beni & Moncada).

 

Good luck Yoan!

 

I think Beni is spelt Xander..........

[moonslav59]

I think Beni is spelt Xander..........

 

Yeah, I could have said 4.

[cp176]

I sincerely believe Sox approach for Moncada was stupid. Going in everyone on the planet knew that Sox had a second baseman. Moncada should have been moved to another position immediately. Why wait? I don't give a damn how many errors he would have made at the beginning. We paid FREAKING $60M for this guy, and not to play 2B.

 

And now we are concerned that perhaps he didn't get enough reps at 3B? Whose damn fault is that?

 

Trade Shaw for a young reliever. So what if becomes a star 5 years from now? Our window is this year and next two years. It could be much longer but we have 3 seasons with our starting pitching intact and most of the position players signed.

 

I'm leaning in your direction. From day one I could not understand him being at second base. I'm not sure it makes much difference now though. Good luck to him.

[mvp 78]

I'm leaning in your direction. From day one I could not understand him being at second base. I'm not sure it makes much difference now though. Good luck to him.

 

He was going through a tremendous change in his life. Moving from Cuba, learning English, having more money than he knew what to do with is harder than you guys give it credit for. To keep the transition comfortable, the left him at 2b until they felt his transition was completed smoothly. I can't fault them for this in the least. Once he's comfortable and hitting, then you can mess around with where he's playing. It hasn't hindered his development and he wouldn't have been up any sooner anyway. He'll have all offseason to workout at 3b.

 

Similarly, didn't they leave Betts at 2b for awhile in the minors? That seemed to work out ok.

[User Name]

He was going through a tremendous change in his life. Moving from Cuba, learning English, having more money than he knew what to do with is harder than you guys give it credit for. To keep the transition comfortable, the left him at 2b until they felt his transition was completed smoothly. I can't fault them for this in the least. Once he's comfortable and hitting, then you can mess around with where he's playing. It hasn't hindered his development and he wouldn't have been up any sooner anyway. He'll have all offseason to workout at 3b.

 

Similarly, didn't they leave Betts at 2b for awhile in the minors? That seemed to work out ok.

 

But then again, who needs common sense.

[mvp 78]

But then again, who needs common sense.

 

Common sense doesn't work with the hot take crowd.

[sk7326]

He was going through a tremendous change in his life. Moving from Cuba, learning English, having more money than he knew what to do with is harder than you guys give it credit for. To keep the transition comfortable, the left him at 2b until they felt his transition was completed smoothly. I can't fault them for this in the least. Once he's comfortable and hitting, then you can mess around with where he's playing. It hasn't hindered his development and he wouldn't have been up any sooner anyway. He'll have all offseason to workout at 3b.

 

Similarly, didn't they leave Betts at 2b for awhile in the minors? That seemed to work out ok.

 

This. I think some people don't appreciate the sheer difference in how much baseball Benintendi and Moncada have respectively played the last 2 years. Benintendi was in a high profile college program - Moncada defected. Add the cultural differences - and frankly, the Sox I think trying to take some pressure off (because of how big the bonus was).

 

I expect Moncada will play the corners in the offseason.

[cp176]

He was going through a tremendous change in his life. Moving from Cuba, learning English, having more money than he knew what to do with is harder than you guys give it credit for. To keep the transition comfortable, the left him at 2b until they felt his transition was completed smoothly. I can't fault them for this in the least. Once he's comfortable and hitting, then you can mess around with where he's playing. It hasn't hindered his development and he wouldn't have been up any sooner anyway. He'll have all offseason to workout at 3b.

 

Similarly, didn't they leave Betts at 2b for awhile in the minors? That seemed to work out ok.

 

I don't disagree with this at all. Question I always had was what was his natural position. He had been an infielder and an outfielder. Did he decide that he just liked second more or did someone else decide that that was the spot for him? Everything I read sounded like he told them that he felt better at second. Certainly not an issue for me. But what do I know - I still think that it is possible that Betts ultimately winds up back at second with Moncada in the outfield. It might even be that either Moncada or Benintendi get s traded. Did I really dare to say that here? Oh well.

[sk7326]

I don't disagree with this at all. Question I always had was what was his natural position. He had been an infielder and an outfielder. Did he decide that he just liked second more or did someone else decide that that was the spot for him? Everything I read sounded like he told them that he felt better at second. Certainly not an issue for me. But what do I know - I still think that it is possible that Betts ultimately winds up back at second with Moncada in the outfield. It might even be that either Moncada or Benintendi get s traded. Did I really dare to say that here? Oh well.

 

He came up as a SS - he was blocked there. So 2B was I think the first natural transition place. I think there are just so few middle infielders his size - a corner always seemed destined. But you might as well try - if he can play a middle spot well, he is even more valuable.

[mvp 78]

He grew up playing 2b, 3b and SS. http://oncubamagazine.com/sports/yoan-moncada-new-cuban-baseball-wonder-boy/

[Hugh2]

Oh dear god please not this argument again. We've been through this before, we are not smarter than the player development department of the Red Sox and every other team in baseball when it comes to developing prospects.

 

This is exactly how we said it would happen; they'd keep him at his natural position they thought he fit best and move him only when they thought he was ready/near ready and a positional change made sense at that point. That's exactly how it's happened in the past, it's how other teams do it, and it's how it happened again.

[cp176]

Oh dear god please not this argument again. We've been through this before, we are not smarter than the player development department of the Red Sox and every other team in baseball when it comes to developing prospects.

 

This is exactly how we said it would happen; they'd keep him at his natural position they thought he fit best and move him only when they thought he was ready/near ready and a positional change made sense at that point. That's exactly how it's happened in the past, it's how other teams do it, and it's how it happened again.

 

No one is arguing but to quickly assume that the people in player development are always right is a bit of a stretch. I won't tell them how to do their jobs as long as they don't tell me how to do mine. Wait - I don't have a job. As long as they don't tell me how to mow my lawn and hit a golf ball. lol

[Hugh2]

No one is arguing but to quickly assume that the people in player development are always right is a bit of a stretch. I won't tell them how to do their jobs as long as they don't tell me how to do mine. Wait - I don't have a job. As long as they don't tell me how to mow my lawn and hit a golf ball. lol

 

It's not a right/wrong question. It's not like banking on a guy to be a boom or bust, it's a system of developing guys.

[User Name]

The system is in place for a reason, and that reason is that it works.

[Hugh2]

The system is in place for a reason, and that reason is that it works.

 

This. And the conversation should stop after that sentence but somehow it's managed to turn into pages and pages of debate across multiple threads.

[oldtimer]

The system is in place for a reason, and that reason is that it works.

 

The system hasn't worked that well in the pitching department.

[Hugh2]

The system hasn't worked that well in the pitching department.

 

Yeah you're right...maybe if they stopped moving 2nd baseman to pitchers right before they promote them to the big leagues they will have better success.

[a700hitter]

Oh dear god please not this argument again. We've been through this before, we are not smarter than the player development department of the Red Sox and every other team in baseball when it comes to developing prospects.

 

This is exactly how we said it would happen; they'd keep him at his natural position they thought he fit best and move him only when they thought he was ready/near ready and a positional change made sense at that point. That's exactly how it's happened in the past, it's how other teams do it, and it's how it happened again.

Smarter? Probably half of this board including our high schoolers are "smarter" than our player development guys. I don't expect them to be "smart". I just want them to be good at their jobs, but when it comes to developing pitchers they suck.

[cp176]

Smarter? Probably half of this board including our high schoolers are "smarter" than our player development guys. I don't expect them to be "smart". I just want them to be good at their jobs, but when it comes to developing pitchers they suck.

 

Glad to see this. Moncada's development has been unlike most if not all of the prospects that we have recently had. It is not like he had been playing second base for a lifetime. He is just a kid and no one here for sure has any clue what he was up to in Cuba. The organization had a f***ing blank check with this one. He said he liked second base the most so that is where they put him. that being said, it won't make one bit of difference. Anybody could have seen that second base was not going to be his ticket to the major leagues for sometime. He obviously has played all over the place. It makes no difference but pardon me for not getting the shivers when someone starts telling me how good our player development is. Someone mentioned Mookie earlier - all second base until someone in their infinite wisdom realized that that wasn't happening so he gets moved to the outfield. Common sense to me says that if you have a choice then you put the player where he might actually play someday if he has been all over the field.. It won't make any difference.

[Hugh2]

Smarter? Probably half of this board including our high schoolers are "smarter" than our player development guys. I don't expect them to be "smart". I just want them to be good at their jobs, but when it comes to developing pitchers they suck.

 

Maybe DD should hire within this forum then?