2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[mvp 78]

Almost as bad as yours. However, if you somehow want to extrapolate one bad series of 4 games as proof that any player would shrink under the spotlight, go ahead.

 

You still haven't said how you KNOW that Trout is content playing for a losing team.

 

Yes I did.

[mvp 78]

Chris Sale available? Do I really care that he slashed up some ugly jerseys? Nope. He's stuck on a losing/non-contending team and is tired of the management/White Sox.

 

The question of course is the Price, if the Price is Right, we could have a Sale to Boston.

 

What would you be willing to trade for him?

[moonslav59]

While I am willing to trade prospects for Sale, I am never in favor of trading an every day player who is a star for any pitcher. Never.

 

I disagree. Dependable starters often face over 850 batters a year, while great "everyday" players get 650-750 PAs.

[mvp 78]

I disagree. Dependable starters often face over 850 batters a year, while great "everyday" players get 650-750 PAs.

 

Mookie had almost 400 chances in the OF last year. It doesn't come down to just plate appearances.

[a700hitter]

I disagree. Dependable starters often face over 850 batters a year, while great "everyday" players get 650-750 PAs.

The everyday player can affect 150-160 games -- a pitcher can only effect 30-33 games.

[illinoisredsox]

Yes I did.

 

So let me get this straight. A guy who is in his 4th year now (therefore not eligible for free agency even if he had not signed a contract extension), who signed that lucrative 6 year extension DURING A PLAYOFF YEAR for his club, is content to play for a losing team because ...

[mvp 78]

So let me get this straight. A guy who is in his 4th year now (therefore not eligible for free agency eve if he had not signed a contract extension), who signed that lucrative 6 year extension DURING A PLAYOFF YEAR for his club, is content to play for a losing team because ...

 

You said it yourself. He signed the extension during the playoff year then started playing out his contract like he was Pablo Sandoval. Now that he was cashing the checks, he didn't have to hit in the postseason. It would be interesting to see what he would have hit in the postseason if he had not signed that contract before it.

[illinoisredsox]

You said it yourself. He signed the extension during the playoff year then started playing out his contract like he was Pablo Sandoval. Now that he was cashing the checks, he didn't have to hit in the postseason. It would be interesting to see what he would have hit in the postseason if he had not signed that contract before it.

 

He would have hit 1-12 just like he did because the Royals pitching was very good. You really are warped.

Edited July 25, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[mvp 78]

Yup, the more Sale acts up, the less inclined I am to want the Sox to go after him.

The cost is too high for someone that may disrupt what seems to be a good clubhouse.

 

https://theringer.com/chris-sale-chicago-white-sox-uniform-meltdown-bda0e9f7106c#.3u1ortijg

 

I found the below comment to be rather on point. I remember DLowe being very particular about wearing the ugly Red unis back when he was here.

 

It’s not uncommon for the starting pitcher to choose what uniform his team is going to wear when he starts, and Fox’s Ken Rosenthal reports that this is generally the case with the White Sox. If this were just a guy throwing a fit because he didn’t get his turn to choose what the team watched on TV, that’d be one thing, but if he’s not comfortable pitching in the uniform, that’s a real issue. Pitchers can be temperamental, and pitchers as good as Sale, with deliveries as complicated as his, have a right to be particular about details and routine. Rosenthal further reported that Sale was frustrated with the team valuing marketing over wins and losses. I don’t know if that’s a fair criticism, since the White Sox spent a ton of money on James Shields in the interest of winning now (it didn’t work, but you can’t fault their motives), but Sale’s also entitled to feel that way after the team’s competitive start turned into a 46–50 record through no fault of his own.

[mvp 78]

He would have hit 1-12 just like he did because the Royals pitching was very good. You really are warped.

 

But we'll never really know. He certainly could have played better in my alternate universe.

[d-money]

Are the royals shopping wade davis?

[SoxnCycles]

https://theringer.com/chris-sale-chicago-white-sox-uniform-meltdown-bda0e9f7106c#.3u1ortijg

 

I found the below comment to be rather on point. I remember DLowe being very particular about wearing the ugly Red unis back when he was here.

 

It’s not uncommon for the starting pitcher to choose what uniform his team is going to wear when he starts, and Fox’s Ken Rosenthal reports that this is generally the case with the White Sox. If this were just a guy throwing a fit because he didn’t get his turn to choose what the team watched on TV, that’d be one thing, but if he’s not comfortable pitching in the uniform, that’s a real issue. Pitchers can be temperamental, and pitchers as good as Sale, with deliveries as complicated as his, have a right to be particular about details and routine. Rosenthal further reported that Sale was frustrated with the team valuing marketing over wins and losses. I don’t know if that’s a fair criticism, since the White Sox spent a ton of money on James Shields in the interest of winning now (it didn’t work, but you can’t fault their motives), but Sale’s also entitled to feel that way after the team’s competitive start turned into a 46–50 record through no fault of his own.

 

So he did what any other mature, well adjusted person would do, go all Norman Bates on every uni in the clubhouse.

 

No thanks.

[Bellhorn04]

It was a hothead move by Sale but not really that big of a deal IMO. Big Papi has lost his marbles a few times too.

[mvp 78]

It was a hothead move by Sale but not really that big of a deal IMO. Big Papi has lost his marbles a few times too.

 

That is true. Both Sale and Ortiz have used baseball bats to let our their frustrations in the dugout.

[Dojji]

That is true. Both Sale and Ortiz have used baseball bats to let our their frustrations in the dugout.

 

I think the difference is that big Papi has put his team over the top on his own bat a few times, and Sale hasn't had the chance. Rings can buy a lot of indulgence from fans and even execs. But I think the difference here is, if Papi feels disrespected, the team backpedals before **** goes public. The Chisox decided to ignore Sale's objectios and play a game of chicken with him over the jerseys, and Sale decided to win.

[cp176]

I am wondering how the Sox could rationalize trading Moncada at this point.

 

I am no expert on how these contracts work, but didn't the Sox just pay him a $30. mil bonus? Have they paid it in it's entirety or are installments being made? Either way, trading him would be like flushing all that money away.

 

And what of the penalties the Sox paid for signing Moncada?

 

Trading him away after dropping $60.mil on him would seem really, really stupid.

 

But what the f*** do I know?

 

oh boy Spud, I hope this doesn't mean you've heard something other than just what has been speculated. He would be the 1 prospect that I would hate to see go the most by a long shot. They are all prospects but he comes with so much more God given potential than anyone we have seen in a long time. It isn't even close. Now, he might not turn out to be the next Trout but if there is anybody in the org. that has the physical tools to be that guy, it's him.

[Kimmi]

This is not the first time Sale has had an issue with the ownership and management of the team. It's easy to blame the player, but I think management has to be in for its own share. A normal person does not get angry enough to slash his own jersey in a normal situation. So either Sale is toxic, or the situation in which he finds himself is so unbearable that the one last issue over the terrible jerseys causes him to lash out.

 

Worth mentioning -- the jersey in particular is absolutely AWFUL, easily one of the worst and weirdest in the history of MLB. I mean they don't even look like baseball jerseys at all. Most of the time when you see a throwback jersey the size, weight and shape are still conformed to what the athlete is used to. This one, I don't see how it can be, because of the presence of that godawful collar

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20150827/sports/150828845/AR/0/AR-150828845.jpg&updated=201508272319&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder

 

As habit bound and set in their ways as ace pitchers sometimes HAVE to be, I can understand chafing under the gimmicky jerseys, which weren't popular with players even when they weren't "throwback." Throw in the evidence that the relations between players and management were already tainted due to the Drake LaRoche fiasco and the failure of communication that took place during that crisis, which fed a feeling that the White Sox ownership has no idea what it's doing and more interest in cashing in than in trying to win baseball games, and I think you begin to see why Sale would act out in this way. It was still massively immature, but there's a lot of environmental factors in play as well.

 

Fair post. We really have no idea about what is going on behind the scenes. However, regardless of what the situation may be, Sale's behavior was not only immature, it was way out of line, not to mention selfish. Sale did not make his start because of this incident. He let his team down.

[Kimmi]

He has a .083 BA in the postseason. Would rather be golfing. Sad.

 

#nevertrout

 

Honestly, I sometimes don't even know what to make of your posts. You can't be serious with this.

[Kimmi]

https://theringer.com/chris-sale-chicago-white-sox-uniform-meltdown-bda0e9f7106c#.3u1ortijg

 

I found the below comment to be rather on point. I remember DLowe being very particular about wearing the ugly Red unis back when he was here.

 

It’s not uncommon for the starting pitcher to choose what uniform his team is going to wear when he starts, and Fox’s Ken Rosenthal reports that this is generally the case with the White Sox. If this were just a guy throwing a fit because he didn’t get his turn to choose what the team watched on TV, that’d be one thing, but if he’s not comfortable pitching in the uniform, that’s a real issue. Pitchers can be temperamental, and pitchers as good as Sale, with deliveries as complicated as his, have a right to be particular about details and routine. Rosenthal further reported that Sale was frustrated with the team valuing marketing over wins and losses. I don’t know if that’s a fair criticism, since the White Sox spent a ton of money on James Shields in the interest of winning now (it didn’t work, but you can’t fault their motives), but Sale’s also entitled to feel that way after the team’s competitive start turned into a 46–50 record through no fault of his own.

 

As I posted to Dojji, it's a fair point. But still. You don't cut up the entire team's uniforms. You state your case on the matter, and if the team fails to budge, you suck it up and go out and pitch the best you can. If you pitch like crap, you know you did your best.

[Kimmi]

oh boy Spud, I hope this doesn't mean you've heard something other than just what has been speculated. He would be the 1 prospect that I would hate to see go the most by a long shot. They are all prospects but he comes with so much more God given potential than anyone we have seen in a long time. It isn't even close. Now, he might not turn out to be the next Trout but if there is anybody in the org. that has the physical tools to be that guy, it's him.

 

From what I've gathered from Dombrowski's comments, Moncada is as close to an untouchable as anyone can be. He is not going anywhere.

[Nick]

When you've paid $60M for a player just a year ago, you better think twice about trading him. ($30M in two installments, plus $30M in penalty I believe) Edited July 25, 2016 by Nick

[Spudboy]

He would have hit 1-12 just like he did because the Royals pitching was very good. You really are warped.

 

No he is not warped. He happens to be a pretty sharp guy.

 

Try not to be insulting Newb.

[mvp 78]

Honestly, I sometimes don't even know what to make of your posts. You can't be serious with this.

 

I think you know what to make of those posts.

[moonslav59]

The everyday player can affect 150-160 games -- a pitcher can only effect 30-33 games.

 

But the pitcher has over 4 or 5 times the affect in that one game than what a batter has, so it just about evens out.

[a700hitter]

But the pitcher has over 4 or 5 times the affect in that one game than what a batter has, so it just about evens out.

Just my opinion, but i would never do it -- never trade an everyday star ballplayer for a pitcher.

[bowman]

I agree, but if you do, you better have someone coming in behind him. If you had a Nomar at AAA, you might trade Bogie to get that stud pitcher. Still tough to part with a guy that might produce for 10 years knowing a pitcher can blow up at any time.

[moonslav59]

Word is the Dodgers are now offering Urias (and others?) for Sale.

[Slasher9]

the next 5 days are going to be fun.

[SoxnCycles]

the next 5 days are going to be fun.

 

Yeah, I don't see the Sox doing much more.

The cost of rentals is getting crazy.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, I don't see the Sox doing much more.

The cost of rentals is getting crazy.

 

Man, ain't that the truth. The haul for Chapman is a mind-blower.

 

Makes the Pomeranz trade look pretty good.