2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[Kimmi]

If they want Betts Benni AND 3-4 more, they can GFT!

NO pitcher is worth that. GMs are out of their mind. First Atl was thinking close to the same for Tehran, and now all that for Sale...no friggin way. Not worth it. NOT.AT.ALL.

 

In the case of the White Sox, they have every right to ask for the moon for Sale and Quintana. They are not that far away from being contenders, or in other words, they are not in rebuild mode. Unless they are truly having clubhouse issues with Sale, if they aren't absolutely blown away by an offer, they keep him and build the team around him.

[Thunder]

The thing about selling the farm to get a package like Sale/Robertson is that even with an acquisition like that, nothing is guaranteed. Then you have also jeopardized the team for several years down the road.

 

The comments I've been reading from Dombrowski lead me to believe that he will not trade for a rental. He is all in for this year, but he wants pieces that will help the team win for the next 2-3 years as well.

 

That's good to hear. It seems like in 2013, we went all in, but with rentals, or at least turned them into rentals by unloading everyone in 2014 at the deadline.

[Kimmi]

Anyone worried about character issues with Sale? Or you think he just hates playing for the ChiSox?

 

Yes, I am. While I really wanted him on my team, I was never in favor of gutting the farm for him, or any other player. After this recent incident, there is no way I'd pay anything close to what they're asking.

 

It may be nothing, but seriously, cutting up the entire team's uniforms because you don't want to wear them? Who does that?

[mvp 78]

I'm not much into trying to psychoanalyze players based on media reports, but Sale does seem rather...combustible, shall we say. It's mainly the obscene cost that would keep me away, though.

 

You'd be one of the few people on here who doesn't.

[Spudboy]

Yes, I am. While I really wanted him on my team, I was never in favor of gutting the farm for him, or any other player. After this recent incident, there is no way I'd pay anything close to what they're asking.

 

It may be nothing, but seriously, cutting up the entire team's uniforms because you don't want to wear them? Who does that?

 

A whack job.

[Jack Flap]

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst

Clubs talking with Red Sox say they're still trying to do "something big." But for what high-end starter? Chris Sale? Sonny Gray? Mystery P?

[Hugh2]

After the return for a rental closer, and a guy with 1/2 a season track record pitching like an ACE I'am scared to see what it would cost to get Sale.

 

I can reconcile overpaying to fill holes when you have the depth as I have with Kimbrell and Pomeranz but at some point you have to be very concerned with completely gutting the system to go for it. The future does matter.....I'd move on from Sale.

[mvp 78]

Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst

Clubs talking with Red Sox say they're still trying to do "something big." But for what high-end starter? Chris Sale? Sonny Gray? Mystery P?

 

Sonny Gray is not "something big" right now except for his ERA.

[SoxnCycles]

After the return for a rental closer, and a guy with 1/2 a season track record pitching like an ACE I'am scared to see what it would cost to get Sale.

 

I can reconcile overpaying to fill holes when you have the depth as I have with Kimbrell and Pomeranz but at some point you have to be very concerned with completely gutting the system to go for it. The future does matter.....I'd move on from Sale.

 

Yup, the more Sale acts up, the less inclined I am to want the Sox to go after him.

The cost is too high for someone that may disrupt what seems to be a good clubhouse.

[Jack Flap]

Sonny Gray is not "something big" right now except for his ERA.

 

Yup. Price is a bum, but let's get the guy with the 5.49 ERA and 4.66 FIP to ride in and save our season.

 

The A's would have to be selling stupidly low on Gray for me to have any interest.

[mvp 78]

If they trade any of the following, I'm OUT on Dombrowski: Xander, Betts, JBJ.

 

If they trade either Moncada or Benintendi for anything but a true ace, I would also be out on Dombrowski.

 

I'm fine with them moving anyone else in the organization.

[mvp 78]

Yup. Price is a bum, but let's get the guy with the 5.49 ERA and 4.66 FIP to ride in and save our season.

 

The A's would have to be selling stupidly low on Gray for me to have any interest.

 

Oh, I'd send the Kopech today if they'd take it. I just don't think he commands a return of Benintendi or Moncada anymore.

[illinoisredsox]

If they trade any of the following, I'm OUT on Dombrowski: Xander, Betts, JBJ.

 

If they trade either Moncada or Benintendi for anything but a true ace, I would also be out on Dombrowski.

 

I'm fine with them moving anyone else in the organization.

 

Cmon, if for some reason the Angels suddenly offered Trout for one of the 3 B's, would you take it? I would send Betts or Bradley in a heartbeat. Bogaerts might require more consideration due to his position.

 

It's not going to happen short of temporary insanity on the part of the Angel's GM, so all hypothetical, but still, you never say never.

[illinoisredsox]

Yup, the more Sale acts up, the less inclined I am to want the Sox to go after him.

The cost is too high for someone that may disrupt what seems to be a good clubhouse.

 

Not to mention concern on how he would handle the media fishbowl of Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

Cmon, if for some reason the Angels suddenly offered Trout for one of the 3 B's, would you take it? I would send Betts or Bradley in a heartbeat. Bogaerts might require more consideration due to his position.

 

It's not going to happen short of temporary insanity on the part of the Angel's GM, so all hypothetical, but still, you never say never.

 

My feeling is that a lot of things are possible but some are so unrealistic that they aren't worthy of consideration.

[mvp 78]

Cmon, if for some reason the Angels suddenly offered Trout for one of the 3 B's, would you take it? I would send Betts or Bradley in a heartbeat. Bogaerts might require more consideration due to his position.

 

It's not going to happen short of temporary insanity on the part of the Angel's GM, so all hypothetical, but still, you never say never.

 

Trout is content with playing for a loser. He'd shrink under the spotlight. No thanks.

[Dojji]

Yes, I am. While I really wanted him on my team, I was never in favor of gutting the farm for him, or any other player. After this recent incident, there is no way I'd pay anything close to what they're asking.

 

It may be nothing, but seriously, cutting up the entire team's uniforms because you don't want to wear them? Who does that?

 

This is not the first time Sale has had an issue with the ownership and management of the team. It's easy to blame the player, but I think management has to be in for its own share. A normal person does not get angry enough to slash his own jersey in a normal situation. So either Sale is toxic, or the situation in which he finds himself is so unbearable that the one last issue over the terrible jerseys causes him to lash out.

 

Worth mentioning -- the jersey in particular is absolutely AWFUL, easily one of the worst and weirdest in the history of MLB. I mean they don't even look like baseball jerseys at all. Most of the time when you see a throwback jersey the size, weight and shape are still conformed to what the athlete is used to. This one, I don't see how it can be, because of the presence of that godawful collar

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20150827/sports/150828845/AR/0/AR-150828845.jpg&updated=201508272319&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder

 

As habit bound and set in their ways as ace pitchers sometimes HAVE to be, I can understand chafing under the gimmicky jerseys, which weren't popular with players even when they weren't "throwback." Throw in the evidence that the relations between players and management were already tainted due to the Drake LaRoche fiasco and the failure of communication that took place during that crisis, which fed a feeling that the White Sox ownership has no idea what it's doing and more interest in cashing in than in trying to win baseball games, and I think you begin to see why Sale would act out in this way. It was still massively immature, but there's a lot of environmental factors in play as well.

[cp176]

This is not the first time Sale has had an issue with the ownership and management of the team. It's easy to blame the player, but I think management has to be in for its own share. A normal person does not get angry enough to slash his own jersey in a normal situation. So either Sale is toxic, or the situation in which he finds himself is so unbearable that the one last issue over the terrible jerseys causes him to lash out.

 

Worth mentioning -- the jersey in particular is absolutely AWFUL, easily one of the worst and weirdest in the history of MLB. I mean they don't even look like baseball jerseys at all. Most of the time when you see a throwback jersey the size, weight and shape are still conformed to what the athlete is used to. This one, I don't see how it can be, because of the presence of that godawful collar

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20150827/sports/150828845/AR/0/AR-150828845.jpg&updated=201508272319&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder

 

As habit bound and set in their ways as ace pitchers sometimes HAVE to be, I can understand chafing under the gimmicky jerseys, which weren't popular with players even when they weren't "throwback." Throw in the evidence that the relations between players and management were already tainted due to the Drake LaRoche fiasco and the failure of communication that took place during that crisis, which fed a feeling that the White Sox ownership has no idea what it's doing and more interest in cashing in than in trying to win baseball games, and I think you begin to see why Sale would act out in this way. It was still massively immature, but there's a lot of environmental factors in play as well.

 

You certainly bring up some wonderful points the but for me is I don't care how good he is, do I really want someone like him in Boston. Probably not. Management has done a wonderful job of binging people of good character in. He may be a fine person, but for me is if the warning bell rings at all, it really isn't worth it. There are plenty of other possibilities which I am sure could and probably are being explored.

[illinoisredsox]

Trout is content with playing for a loser. He'd shrink under the spotlight. No thanks.

 

And you know this how?

[mvp 78]

And you know this how?

 

He has a .083 BA in the postseason. Would rather be golfing. Sad.

 

#nevertrout

[Spudboy]

I am wondering how the Sox could rationalize trading Moncada at this point.

 

I am no expert on how these contracts work, but didn't the Sox just pay him a $30. mil bonus? Have they paid it in it's entirety or are installments being made? Either way, trading him would be like flushing all that money away.

 

And what of the penalties the Sox paid for signing Moncada?

 

Trading him away after dropping $60.mil on him would seem really, really stupid.

 

But what the f*** do I know?

[illinoisredsox]

He has a .083 BA in the postseason. Would rather be golfing. Sad.

 

#nevertrout

 

Wow, 1 series. That's certainly a good barometer.

 

I guess Ortiz would have rather been golfing instead of playing in the ALDS in 2003. Or instead of playing in the ALCS in 2013.

[Slasher9]

[mvp 78]

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Best cold and drizzly day ever.

[mvp 78]

Wow, 1 series. That's certainly a good barometer.

 

I guess Ortiz would have rather been golfing instead of playing in the ALDS in 2003. Or instead of playing in the ALCS in 2013.

 

Ortiz had already played well during the 2002 postseason. Furthermore, Ortiz had twice the amount of hits in the 2003 ALDS as Trout has had in his ENTIRE postseason career. Terrible argument.

[vjcsmoke]

Chris Sale available? Do I really care that he slashed up some ugly jerseys? Nope. He's stuck on a losing/non-contending team and is tired of the management/White Sox.

 

The question of course is the Price, if the Price is Right, we could have a Sale to Boston.

[illinoisredsox]

Ortiz had already played well during the 2002 postseason. Furthermore, Ortiz had twice the amount of hits in the 2003 ALDS as Trout has had in his ENTIRE postseason career. Terrible argument.

 

Almost as bad as yours. However, if you somehow want to extrapolate one bad series of 4 games as proof that any player would shrink under the spotlight, go ahead.

 

You still haven't said how you KNOW that Trout is content playing for a losing team.

[moonslav59]

I'd rather have Quintana for 4+ years than Sale for 3+ years.

 

He might require less in return.

[moonslav59]

Have the sox ever had a 25/25 guy with 100+ runs and 100+ RBI?

 

Tommy Harper was a 30/30 guys 2 years before coming to the Sox before 1972. He scored 104 runs that year with Milwaukee but had only 82 RBIs.

[Bellhorn04]

Almost as bad as yours. However, if you somehow want to extrapolate one bad series of 4 games as proof that any player would shrink under the spotlight, go ahead.

 

Correction - one series of 3 games.