2016 Trade and Roster Move Speculation thread

[S5Dewey]

I highly doubt they deal anything of value for an OF. Their offense can carry Holt in LF and Vazquez at C. The team cannot carry two dead weights in the rotation. And the team cannot continue to send Koji out there in tight spots. The rumor now is the sox are looking at Teheran and Vizcaino in Atlanta. I hated giving up Arodys for Vazquez years ago and after some injury, the kid is lights out. Teheran is finally putting it together as well. And Atlanta wont need now talent and both guys are under control for awhile. My guess is you'd have to part with prospects that hurt to get it done, but you wouldn't hurt the talent you have on the field

 

Yes. this is what I've been thinking all along. That this team has young players at key positions. We don't NEED to keep all these top prospects. Use them as trade chips to fill the needs we DO have.

[Nick]

Are we all in agreement that Benintendi and Moncada are Sox top two prospects? Devers and Espinoza are not as close to reaching Fenway.

 

Would Atlanta do a deal with only one of the two of former along with other top 10 prospects? Assuming Moncada can play LF, who has higher ceiling?

 

Our offense has been a pleasant surprise but without Wright, are we not looking at third straight last place finish? Our pitching staff is in shambles and that's after acquiring Price and Kimbrel.

[mvp 78]

Are we all in agreement that Benintendi and Moncada are Sox top two prospects? Devers and Espinoza are not as close to reaching Fenway.

 

I'm in agreement.

 

Would Atlanta do a deal with only one of the two of former along with other top 10 prospects?

 

Probably. I think the Sox should hold out for a better deal if they are going to move Benintendi or Moncada though.

 

Assuming Moncada can play LF, who has higher ceiling?

 

Moncada.

 

Our offense has been a pleasant surprise but without Wright, are we not looking at third straight last place finish? Our pitching staff is in shambles and that's after acquiring Price and Kimbrel.

 

Nah, they'd probably be in 3rd or 4th place. The Rays are terrible this year and the Sox would probably still be better than the Yankees.

[moonslav59]

Does it ever make you wonder, if we didn't have Moncada, Benintendi and Espinoza, teams might be more likely to trade something special for Swihart, Devers, Travis, Kopech & Lakins?

 

Swihart's injury really hurts our chances of trading him to a contender for pitching. I doubt it matters much to non contenders.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Swihart's performance behind the dish hurts way more than his injury. They're saying 8 weeks now, which means nothing to Atlanta. If a team thinks Swihart can catch, then his worth skyrockets. As an OFer, his worth is pretty minimal

[oldtimer]

You were right, Bryce Brentz got called up for the Rangers series. He is a right handed hitter and is probably more needed than Benni at this point.

[jacksonianmarch]

Benni is a top prospect. You don't bring them up u til they are ready or if you are desperate. You're not desperate and he isn't ready. Brentz has been around a long time. Bring him up, see if he catches lightning in a bottle and if he doesn't, DFA him

[robert vonhalle]

Are we all in agreement that Benintendi and Moncada are Sox top two prospects? Devers and Espinoza are not as close to reaching Fenway.

 

Would Atlanta do a deal with only one of the two of former along with other top 10 prospects? Assuming Moncada can play LF, who has higher ceiling?

 

Our offense has been a pleasant surprise but without Wright, are we not looking at third straight last place finish? Our pitching staff is in shambles and that's after acquiring Price and Kimbrel.

would hold on to espinoza!!!!!!!!!!

[a700hitter]

If we can get Wil Myers, we should. he is coming into his own and is hitting the tar out of the baseball.

[Spudboy]

"MEYERS, MEYERS, MEYERS, MEYERS".

 

Yeah. I'm so sure that he want to come play at Fenway!!!

[moonslav59]

I'd love to have Myers too, but we'd be using resources sorely needed to acquire pitching to get him.

 

[oldtimer]

Agreed. It takes enormous resources to obtain a true ace starting pitcher. You may have to give long term contracts as we did with Price. If you have a starting pitching prospect that can be developed, it is more reasonable to develop him than to take a flyer on an iffy free agent or in trade. Espinoza looks like that kind of prospect.

[cp176]

You were right, Bryce Brentz got called up for the Rangers series. He is a right handed hitter and is probably more needed than Benni at this point.

 

obvious to me that sooner or later Brentz would at least get an opportunity. He has earned it. i actually like the new concept - reward those who earn a reward. He probably won't hang around, but he deserved the chance.

[cp176]

If we can get Wil Myers, we should. he is coming into his own and is hitting the tar out of the baseball.

 

I would move on him right now. Myers - Bradley - Betts

Outfield dilema (left field) solved for a very long time.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd love to have Myers too, but we'd be using resources sorely needed to acquire pitching to get him.

 

 

^This.

[Jack Flap]

I'd love to have Myers too, but we'd be using resources sorely needed to acquire pitching to get him.

 

Exactly. I don't know what the Padres would want, but you have to assume they wouldn't be giving him away cheaply. A big trade for an outfielder doesn't make much sense when we have Benintendi and (maybe) Moncada on the horizon.

 

 

 

Regarding the Teheran rumors...all of the reasons I didn't want to see a prospects-for-Hamels blockbuster a year or two ago don't apply here: he's young, on a great contract, and presumably has his best days ahead of him. In theory, that's the type of pitcher you break the bank for, but you'd have to be damn sure he's a TOTR type in this division/league. I've read opinions that his stuff wouldn't play up in the AL East, and FIP and other ERA estimators don't make him look nearly as good as his sub-3 ERA would indicate. The Braves will want a big haul, and who can blame them, but I'd hate to give up one of our top 4 prospects plus 2-3 other pieces and have Teheran be only a #4 type pitcher for us.

 

With that said, it doesn't look like any Sale or Fernandez type is walking through the door this summer. Teheran might be the best thing out there, and in that case I don't really know what I'd do. Will be interesting to see how this develops.

[User Name]

I wouldn't overpay for Teheran.

[Spudboy]

I wouldn't overpay for Teheran.

 

Since we keep hearing these rumors about Tehran coming here I am wondering what objections ( other than an enormous cost in prospect talent ) exist.

 

Jack Flap mentions that he has heard that Tehran's stuff may not translate to the AL / Al East. Can someone elaborate on this idea? What about his stuff / composition would be less than ideal for the Sox?

[User Name]

Teheran has terrible mechanics, and stuff quality varies (sometimes greatly, as it happened last year). His peripherals do not line up with his current performance. The Braves are going to sucker-punch someone by selling them Shelby Miller (similar profile, even worse mechanics) all over again.

[a700hitter]

obvious to me that sooner or later Brentz would at least get an opportunity. He has earned it. i actually like the new concept - reward those who earn a reward. He probably won't hang around, but he deserved the chance.

I have always liked the kid when I have seen him at Spring training. He has good power.

[moonslav59]

Regarding the Teheran rumors...all of the reasons I didn't want to see a prospects-for-Hamels blockbuster a year or two ago don't apply here: he's young, on a great contract, and presumably has his best days ahead of him. In theory, that's the type of pitcher you break the bank for, but you'd have to be damn sure he's a TOTR type in this division/league. I've read opinions that his stuff wouldn't play up in the AL East, and FIP and other ERA estimators don't make him look nearly as good as his sub-3 ERA would indicate. The Braves will want a big haul, and who can blame them, but I'd hate to give up one of our top 4 prospects plus 2-3 other pieces and have Teheran be only a #4 type pitcher for us.

 

His age and contract are very appealing.

He's 25 1/2.

His luxury tax number is: $5.4M to 2019 and then $12M in his 2020 option year.

Even if he ends up being a 3/4 slot pitcher as he enters his "prime years", we won't get burned on the money.

The risk is with what prospects we give up to get him.

 

It would take at least one of our top 4 prospects, and I share user's concerns, but I'm just not sure anyone else is available that is as good as Teheran. That doesn't mean I'm willing to grossly overpay for Teheran. His 102 xFIP- since 2013 is scary. Yeah, it's not as bad as Shelby Miller's 110, but it's still on the wrong side of 100.

 

Teheran must be a magician, because his ERA- has been 87. That ranks him 21st out of 69 pitchers with 500+ IP since 2013. (Miller's is 94.) Teheran's WHIP ranks 15th at 1.15.

 

His BAbip this year is .206, but his LD% is way down and his GB% is way up, so it might not all be luck. It's hard to judge a guy that is just 25. How much stock do you take in his 730+ IP at the ML level. The sample size is certainly big enough to be definitive, but at age 25, one could expect further growth.

 

Overall, I think I'm with userbame on this. His mechanics scare me too. He's not as good as some of his numbers show he is. I would not overpay.

 

I'd offer Swihart, Devers, Kopech and Lakins or Dubon. That won't be enough, so....

 

[Spudboy]

I have always liked the kid when I have seen him at Spring training. He has good power.

 

Same here. I think while the window seems to have closed for Brentz, he still has a major league swing.

 

He shot himself in the leg. But I still like to see him play.

[moonslav59]

I'm hoping Brentz does well, but I've never been a Brentz believer.

[Nick]

Isn't this what we want?

C Swihart 1B Shaw 2B Pedy SS Xander 3B Moncada LF Benintendi CF Bradley RF Betts

Sign a big bat as DH and use Hanley to stall while Moncada/Benintendi develops.

 

If Travis > Shaw, than Shaw becomes a valuable bench player. He'll keep Devers and see if his power develops.

 

All kinds of flexibility exists....

Edited June 25, 2016 by Nick

[Spudboy]

Isn't this what we want?

C Swihart 1B Shaw 2B Pedy SS Xander 3B Moncada LF Benintendi CF Bradley RF Betts

Sign a big bat as DH and use Hanley to stall while Moncada/Benintendi develops.

 

If Travis > Shaw, than Shaw becomes a valuable bench player. He'll keep Devers and see if his power develops.

 

All kinds of flexibility exists....

 

Except that many fans want the Sox to go to the WS this year. That will necessitate cashing in some chips.

[Nick]

There's no point in adding more mediocrity to our starting pitching staff. That will be another contract we'll be stuck with.

 

Are we in agreement that in a wild card playoff game, we'd start Steven Wright, especially against Toronto/Baltimore?

[User Name]

There's no point in adding more mediocrity to our starting pitching staff. That will be another contract we'll be stuck with.

 

Are we in agreement that in a wild card playoff game, we'd start Steven Wright, especially against Toronto/Baltimore?

 

That's assuming they can line him up to start that game in the middle of a wild card battle.

[moonslav59]

Isn't this what we want?

C Swihart 1B Shaw 2B Pedy SS Xander 3B Moncada LF Benintendi CF Bradley RF Betts

Sign a big bat as DH and use Hanley to stall while Moncada/Benintendi develops.

 

If Travis > Shaw, than Shaw becomes a valuable bench player. He'll keep Devers and see if his power develops.

 

All kinds of flexibility exists....

 

I'd rather have Vaz at C than Swihart, and keeping both with such a high need at pitching for us and such a high need for catching elsewhere, makes me think Swihart is the odd man out. Devers as well.

[Spudboy]

It is my opinion that we will lament trading Swihart.

[Nick]

I have no facts to back it up but to me Sox have lost more 50/50 balls than the opponent, to use a basketball term. What happened to Rangers last night has been happening to us. Despite that we're in the thick of pennant race.

 

We need for Clay and E Rod to step up to the plate. Lets exhaust all internal options, see what Kelly can do out of bullpen. I would like to trade for the Atlanta RP but not the starter. A power pitcher can survive in AL East....see Kimbrel.

 

All these guys whine and bitch about not getting to start but hey why don't you do something about it? You know, have a better command of your pitches and quit walking .220 hitters.

 

I'm not motivated by this being Ortiz' last year to make a trade. We can sign a FA to replace Big Papi.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Nick