Orsillo out at end of the year

[sk7326]

Guys, I like Orsillo as much as anyone else. But I'm old enough to remember McDonough, Ned Martin, and even Dick Stockton. Others here go back even further than that.

 

It's a bummer that Orsillo is getting the boot. It really is. But Dave O'Brien is one of the very best play-by-play guys in the nation, and obviously he's a Red Sox guy (been doing the radio side of things for a while now). So watching the Sox on NESN will (if they are any good) continue to be a very enjoyable thing. I feel bad for Orsillo, I really do. But from a fan's perspective, O'Brien is absolutely awesome.

 

Oh O'Brien will be fine and this stuff often blows over. But I think the issues are more about form (and no points for O'Brien for agreeing to a press release while the guy you're replacing is still working).

[Spudboy]

Oh O'Brien will be fine and this stuff often blows over. But I think the issues are more about form (and no points for O'Brien for agreeing to a press release while the guy you're replacing is still working).

 

Exactly.

[SoxnCycles]

Oh O'Brien will be fine and this stuff often blows over. But I think the issues are more about form (and no points for O'Brien for agreeing to a press release while the guy you're replacing is still working).

 

Yup, O'Brien will do good job, no doubt.

But, if it had to be done at all which I don't believe, it could have waited until Oct or Nov.

 

It's a shame that such a popular guy has to lose his job because one guy gets a hair across his ass.

[Thunder]

So is O'Brien going to stop doing Monday night games for ESPN? If he doesn't, it will get aggravating and complicated. I do like his NCAA Women's Basketball work, though. He makes a great team with Doris Burke. But his Monday night crew? Turrible.

[pruneface]

" 'Bout the only prep Remy and Orsillo do is raising a glass or lifting a fork."

 

Doesn't sound like a suggestion to me.

Can't keep track of your own ramblings?

You went back and checked and still got it wrong. You're awesome. Prep means preparation. Before the game. Scully works on scouting reports, player history. Remy and Orsillo hang out with Bacchus. Should invite him up to the booth with them. I like beating dead sheep. You made a guess. Not educated.

[pruneface]

You seem bitter. Sports is escapist entertainment, NESN is a commercial venture trying to make as much dough as possible, and there are lots of other options for following the games.

What other options aren't commercial? MLB is a commercial venture, inflated. Got a pin? Make as much dough as possible. Of course. And water's wet. I like my coffee bitter. Who's going to be the first shock jock of MLB? Start a petition for Howard Stern. Lure Donald Trump. Sky's the limit. Americans are ready for debasement. More on the way...

 

Groups and affiliations people make and defend. Some aren't life threatening.

[sk7326]

So is O'Brien going to stop doing Monday night games for ESPN? If he doesn't, it will get aggravating and complicated. I do like his NCAA Women's Basketball work, though. He makes a great team with Doris Burke. But his Monday night crew? Turrible.

 

ESPN already said his baseball workload will reduce ... maybe not eliminate mondays but probably rotate through. Channel 38 worked with McDonough to accomodate various national assignments in the past (I remember, particularly one year where they rotated analysts through, including for one week Dick Vitale - although Gary Thorne was the primary backup) , as well as others (Mike Breen with the Knicks, Ian Eagle with the Nets and many others).

[User Name]

pruneface, I love ya bro, but you take this s*** (and yourself) way too f***ing seriously. Lighten the f*** up. For realsies.

[pruneface]

pruneface, I love ya bro, but you take this s*** (and yourself) way too f***ing seriously. Lighten the f*** up. For realsies.

Remember how the telephone distorted conversation? Frequency range only partially overlapped real speech, so people couldn't easily differentiate 'b' and 'd,' hence 'd' as in 'dog,' when spelling out names. Then came the internet. No voice, just script. More abstraction. The effect is enforced retardation. You can't see, you can't hear, you just gotta trust I'm laughing. Sort of like organized religion. Read my suggestions. They'd be awesome, but no way are they serious. I made myself laugh at least. And I had some fun with Red Sox groupies on here. The internet has 'seriously' f***ed with relationships. I try to control that addiction.

 

PS: Why do males get all maudlin in bars near the end of the night? Maybe you can answer that one. When someone prefaces a comment with I love you, but... I get my ******** meter ready. And what's this 'bro' stuff? We homies now? Had each others' backs on da street, keepin' it real - (code for the exact opposite), shared the same booty? Nah, just couple digital blips bumping in space. I miss the old TVs that had static. Chaos is so soothing.

[Bellhorn04]

Remember how the telephone distorted conversation? Frequency range only partially overlapped real speech, so people couldn't easily differentiate 'b' and 'd,' hence 'd' as in 'dog,' when spelling out names. Then came the internet. No voice, just script. More abstraction. The effect is enforced retardation. You can't see, you can't hear, you just gotta trust I'm laughing. Sort of like organized religion. Read my suggestions. They'd be awesome, but no way are they serious. I made myself laugh at least. And I had some fun with Red Sox groupies on here. The internet has 'seriously' f***ed with relationships. I try to control that addiction.

 

PS: Why do males get all maudlin in bars near the end of the night? Maybe you can answer that one. When someone prefaces a comment with I love you, but... I get my ******** meter ready. And what's this 'bro' stuff? We homies now? Had each others' backs on da street, keepin' it real - (code for the exact opposite), shared the same booty? Nah, just couple digital blips bumping in space. I miss the old TVs that had static. Chaos is so soothing.

 

Things aren't getting worse. The universe has always been a mess.

[sk7326]

Remember how the telephone distorted conversation? Frequency range only partially overlapped real speech, so people couldn't easily differentiate 'b' and 'd,' hence 'd' as in 'dog,' when spelling out names. Then came the internet. No voice, just script. More abstraction. The effect is enforced retardation. You can't see, you can't hear, you just gotta trust I'm laughing. Sort of like organized religion. Read my suggestions. They'd be awesome, but no way are they serious. I made myself laugh at least. And I had some fun with Red Sox groupies on here. The internet has 'seriously' f***ed with relationships. I try to control that addiction.

 

PS: Why do males get all maudlin in bars near the end of the night? Maybe you can answer that one. When someone prefaces a comment with I love you, but... I get my ******** meter ready. And what's this 'bro' stuff? We homies now? Had each others' backs on da street, keepin' it real - (code for the exact opposite), shared the same booty? Nah, just couple digital blips bumping in space. I miss the old TVs that had static. Chaos is so soothing.

 

Internet has made some things better, some worse. And sometimes it is hard to remember that this is a world of progress.

 

As far as why males get maudlin at the end of the night? From my experience it is a species that wants to get laid, and almost certainly is not going to.

[Behindenemylines]

Yup, O'Brien will do good job, no doubt.

But, if it had to be done at all which I don't believe, it could have waited until Oct or Nov.

 

It's a shame that such a popular guy has to lose his job because one guy gets a hair across his ass.

 

They probably thought with all the #$%$#$ that has been happening in August this wouldn't be at the top of the list for the nation to complain about.

[a700hitter]

Remember how the telephone distorted conversation? Frequency range only partially overlapped real speech, so people couldn't easily differentiate 'b' and 'd,' hence 'd' as in 'dog,' when spelling out names. Then came the internet. No voice, just script. More abstraction. The effect is enforced retardation. You can't see, you can't hear, you just gotta trust I'm laughing. Sort of like organized religion. Read my suggestions. They'd be awesome, but no way are they serious. I made myself laugh at least. And I had some fun with Red Sox groupies on here. The internet has 'seriously' f***ed with relationships. I try to control that addiction.

 

PS: Why do males get all maudlin in bars near the end of the night? Maybe you can answer that one. When someone prefaces a comment with I love you, but... I get my ******** meter ready. And what's this 'bro' stuff? We homies now? Had each others' backs on da street, keepin' it real - (code for the exact opposite), shared the same booty? Nah, just couple digital blips bumping in space. I miss the old TVs that had static. Chaos is so soothing.

Taking into account that studies have shown that communication is 80% nonverbal, ie. not the words, a strong case can be made that the internet has taken communication backward.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Taking into account that studies have shown that communication is 80% nonverbal, ie. not the words, a strong case can be made that the internet has taken communication backward.

 

Not that strong. Communication, like everything else, evolves. The internet may have initially played havoc with tone and intent, but on the whole, society has adjusted pretty well to that. Additionally, the internet has brought great boons to communication. It has allowed us to communicate with far more people than we ever would have as a civilization limited to phones or mail. Remember, the internet was originally conceived as a means for scientists and engineers around the world to share information.

[Orange Juiced]

Not that strong. Communication, like everything else, evolves. The internet may have initially played havoc with tone and intent, but on the whole, society has adjusted pretty well to that. Additionally, the internet has brought great boons to communication. It has allowed us to communicate with far more people than we ever would have as a civilization limited to phones or mail. Remember, the internet was originally conceived as a means for scientists and engineers around the world to share information.

 

The internet is great for keeping people connected over vast distances, and for archiving and accessing a ridiculous amount of information.

 

But it is most definitely NOT good for human interpersonal relationship and communication skills.

[Youk Of The Nation]

The internet is great for keeping people connected over vast distances, and for archiving and accessing a ridiculous amount of information.

 

But it is most definitely NOT good for human interpersonal relationship and communication skills.

 

Just because there are idiots on the internet doesn't mean it is bad for communication. There are idiots everywhere, they're impossible to avoid.

[Orange Juiced]

Just because there are idiots on the internet doesn't mean it is bad for communication. There are idiots everywhere, they're impossible to avoid.

 

That's all true, but that's not at all what I'm talking about. I've been working on college campuses for 25 years and have watched the evolution of student interaction. Quick story:

 

20 years ago, in the student union of the university where I then, and currently work, you'd go into the main lobby area and students would be sitting at tables talking to each other. At the end of last semester, I walked into that same area and counted roughly 50 people total. And *every single one of them*, without exception, was quiet, sitting there staring at his or her smart phone. Not a single one of them was engaged in conversation with another live human being. None of them were even talking on the phone with someone else. 20 years ago the lobby had that rich sound of humans talking. Now, the same lobby is quiet except for the sound of the occasional keyboard tapping.

 

Technology and the internet are giving us many, many great things. There is much to gain from it. But in the process, we are losing something dramatic as well. Something significant.

[Kimmi]

That's all true, but that's not at all what I'm talking about. I've been working on college campuses for 25 years and have watched the evolution of student interaction. Quick story:

 

20 years ago, in the student union of the university where I then, and currently work, you'd go into the main lobby area and students would be sitting at tables talking to each other. At the end of last semester, I walked into that same area and counted roughly 50 people total. And *every single one of them*, without exception, was quiet, sitting there staring at his or her smart phone. Not a single one of them was engaged in conversation with another live human being. None of them were even talking on the phone with someone else. 20 years ago the lobby had that rich sound of humans talking. Now, the same lobby is quiet except for the sound of the occasional keyboard tapping.

 

Technology and the internet are giving us many, many great things. There is much to gain from it. But in the process, we are losing something dramatic as well. Something significant.

 

I agree. Kids don't even like to talk on the phone anymore. They'd much rather text. The sad thing is, this isn't just going on in public places, it's happening in probably most homes too.

[Youk Of The Nation]

That's all true, but that's not at all what I'm talking about. I've been working on college campuses for 25 years and have watched the evolution of student interaction. Quick story:

 

20 years ago, in the student union of the university where I then, and currently work, you'd go into the main lobby area and students would be sitting at tables talking to each other. At the end of last semester, I walked into that same area and counted roughly 50 people total. And *every single one of them*, without exception, was quiet, sitting there staring at his or her smart phone. Not a single one of them was engaged in conversation with another live human being. None of them were even talking on the phone with someone else. 20 years ago the lobby had that rich sound of humans talking. Now, the same lobby is quiet except for the sound of the occasional keyboard tapping.

 

Technology and the internet are giving us many, many great things. There is much to gain from it. But in the process, we are losing something dramatic as well. Something significant.

 

But in most cases, they are saying the same things that they would have been saying out loud anyways. Teenagers and early-twenty-somethings are not, on the whole, engaging in deep, meaningful conversations about social issues or quantum physics. Altering the means of communication doesn't alter the value of it. I see plenty of people every day having conversations, all phones and the internet do is allow that communication to continue once they have left each other's sight.

 

People decried every new method of communication or method of distributing information. The spike in cheaply available novels in the 19th century was paraded as a sign of dwindling intellectualism and a blow to the respectability of women. Newspapers, the telephone, the radio...this happens every time something new comes along, and every time it passes without the fabric of human relationships crumbling around us and plunging the world into anarchic chaos. We will be fine. Society is, at it's core, a single, giant, complex organism. It will evolve and so will we, and we will retain our humanity. People are still capable of love, humility, good deeds, and justice.

Edited August 29, 2015 by Youk Of The Nation

[Orange Juiced]

But in most cases, they are saying the same things that they would have been saying out loud anyways. Teenagers and early-twenty-somethings are not, on the whole, engaging in deep, meaningful conversations about social issues or quantum physics. Altering the means of communication doesn't alter the value of it. I see plenty of people every day having conversations, all phones and the internet do is allow that communication to continue once they have left each other's sight.

 

I think you couldn't be more wrong about this.

 

People decried every new method of communication or method of distributing information. The spike in cheaply available novels in the 19th century was paraded as a sign of dwindling intellectualism and a blow to the respectability of women. Newspapers, the telephone, the radio...this happens every time something new comes along, and every time it passes without the fabric of human relationships crumbling around us and plunging the world into anarchic chaos. We will be fine. Society is, at it's core, a single, giant, complex organism. It will evolve and so will we, and we will retain our humanity. People are still capable of love, humility, good deeds, and justice.

 

I agree with this part.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Well, I'm going to take the information from dozens and dozens of scientific studies conducted by linguists, sociologists, psychiatric experts, and anthropologists specializing in communication, and weigh them against people who have "a story" about how they remember people communicating much better when they were younger, and form my opinion accordingly. Every generation remembers their early years through rose-colored glasses. "When I was younger, people were nicer and talked more with their voices! Also, racism, sexism, and segregation were far more prevalent, homosexuality was treated like an evil disease, environmental protection was basically nonexistent, and teenagers still had stupid slang and talked about dumb s***, but still, we were better!". "No, the 80's were better!" "No, the 90s!"...and on and on and on. Each successive generation is more intelligent, more confident, more imaginative, lives longer, and becomes less discriminatory. The "gays=bad" and "women as second-class citizens"-type social views among the over-50 crowd are going down slowly (mostly as the really old ones die off), but among my generation they're about as common as the KKK is in the general population. That kind of tearing down of social injustice doesn't happen due to an inability to communicate well. It happens because the rapid speed of discourse available to us allows us to discuss these issues without having to leave the comfort of our homes. (Or toilets, for you disgusting people who use your laptops and phones in the bathroom. Seriously, you are a terrible human being).

[a700hitter]

Well, I'm going to take the information from dozens and dozens of scientific studies conducted by linguists, sociologists, psychiatric experts, and anthropologists specializing in communication, and weigh them against people who have "a story" about how they remember people communicating much better when they were younger, and form my opinion accordingly. Every generation remembers their early years through rose-colored glasses. "When I was younger, people were nicer and talked more with their voices! Also, racism, sexism, and segregation were far more prevalent, homosexuality was treated like an evil disease, environmental protection was basically nonexistent, and teenagers still had stupid slang and talked about dumb s***, but still, we were better!". "No, the 80's were better!" "No, the 90s!"...and on and on and on. Each successive generation is more intelligent, more confident, more imaginative, lives longer, and becomes less discriminatory. The "gays=bad" and "women as second-class citizens"-type social views among the over-50 crowd are going down slowly (mostly as the really old ones die off), but among my generation they're about as common as the KKK is in the general population. That kind of tearing down of social injustice doesn't happen due to an inability to communicate well. It happens because the rapid speed of discourse available to us allows us to discuss these issues without having to leave the comfort of our homes. (Or toilets, for you disgusting people who use your laptops and phones in the bathroom. Seriously, you are a terrible human being).

Can we get political or is that reserved for you?

[Thunder]

I agree. Kids don't even like to talk on the phone anymore. They'd much rather text. The sad thing is, this isn't just going on in public places, it's happening in probably most homes too.

 

I don't understand that last part, but as a kid, I can vouch for the first part of that. Some of us idiots don't even know how to dial a phone.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Can we get political or is that reserved for you?

 

If you can make a legitimate argument against the end of segregation, LGBT equality, and women's rights, then by all means go ahead. I was simply using them as examples of the evolution of communication and thought, because I foolishly assumed that no sane person on this board would argue against considering them "progress".

[a700hitter]

If you can make a legitimate argument against the end of segregation, LGBT equality, and women's rights, then by all means go ahead. I was simply using them as examples of the evolution of communication and thought, because I foolishly assumed that no sane person on this board would argue against considering them "progress".

No, but I would debate the biased opinion that everyone over 50 had been opposed to those things. That is an offensive generalization.

[Youk Of The Nation]

No, but I would debate the biased opinion that everyone over 50 had been opposed to those things. That is an offensive generalization.

 

I'm not saying that everyone over 50 is against those things. I'm saying that a great deal of the people who are against those things are over 50. There is a big difference between those two. The percentage of people overall who are biased that way is thankfully a minority, but many of them are older. I think even you would agree that some of these people simply grew up in a different time, and as we all know, it's tough to radically change your beliefs when you're 70 or 80 years old. My grandfather won't even change his mind about cell phones, let alone social progress.

[a700hitter]

I'm not saying that everyone over 50 is against those things. I'm saying that a great deal of the people who are against those things are over 50. There is a big difference between those two. The percentage of people overall who are biased that way is thankfully a minority, but many of them are older. I think even you would agree that some of these people simply grew up in a different time, and as we all know, it's tough to radically change your beliefs when you're 70 or 80 years old. My grandfather won't even change his mind about cell phones, let alone social progress.

Well, if we wanted to start throwing around stereotypes that have degrees of anecdotal support, things could get very ugly very fast.

[Youk Of The Nation]

They have statistical support too, I just didn't post links to dozens of different things. Like I said, there is a huge and important difference between a majority of older people being anti-gay/woman/social equality/whatever and a majority of anti-whatever people being older. One is a statistic and the other is an incorrect generalization. I should also add in case you got the wrong idea, I don't believe anyone on this site is like that. You and VA have made that pretty clear in the past whenever the subject of gay marriage comes up, and I have a hard time imagining VA being against women's rights.

[a700hitter]

They have statistical support too, I just didn't post links to dozens of different things. Like I said, there is a huge and important difference between a majority of older people being anti-gay/woman/social equality/whatever and a majority of anti-whatever people being older. One is a statistic and the other is an incorrect generalization. I should also add in case you got the wrong idea, I don't believe anyone on this site is like that. You and VA have made that pretty clear in the past whenever the subject of gay marriage comes up, and I have a hard time imagining VA being against women's rights.

What you posted still has the effect of unjustly painting a group of people with the same brush statistics notwithstanding. Sometimes even you can be guilty of being offensive. The under 50 crowd is not immune. LOL!

[Bellhorn04]

That's all true, but that's not at all what I'm talking about. I've been working on college campuses for 25 years and have watched the evolution of student interaction. Quick story:

 

20 years ago, in the student union of the university where I then, and currently work, you'd go into the main lobby area and students would be sitting at tables talking to each other. At the end of last semester, I walked into that same area and counted roughly 50 people total. And *every single one of them*, without exception, was quiet, sitting there staring at his or her smart phone. Not a single one of them was engaged in conversation with another live human being. None of them were even talking on the phone with someone else. 20 years ago the lobby had that rich sound of humans talking. Now, the same lobby is quiet except for the sound of the occasional keyboard tapping.

 

Technology and the internet are giving us many, many great things. There is much to gain from it. But in the process, we are losing something dramatic as well. Something significant.

 

It's one of the many conundrums of human evolvement.