2015 Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

[a700hitter]

I like ER but he is not an ace yet. It is nice to watch him develop, but we need a horse to hand the ball, and he is not that yet.

[Spudboy]

I like ER but he is not an ace yet. It is nice to watch him develop, but we need a horse to hand the ball, and he is not that yet.

 

I was about to say essentially this. ERod has a way to go yet.

 

Ben needs to go get arms. He should be very aggressive. I really doubt that a "young, controllable" ACE type is available.

 

So I'm watching the TD deals for pitchers of all ages. I am hoping that if pitchers are moved that they don't sign long term deals until FA this fall.

 

Ben needs to go big twice in my eyes. Otherwise this team is f***ed for next year too.

[Kimmi]

Common sense would seem to indicate this but based on our most recent deals, anything could happen. I'm leaning 700s way on this one. i want to know who these young cost controlled aces are. If they didn't cost much in terms of dollars and cents, it would take a boatload of prospects to get them. If they are out there and available, be surprised if we got one .

 

I don't know who they are, and I'm not saying any deal will happen. I agree, getting a cost-controlled ace will likely cost a lot. To get an ace through free agency, it will also cost a lot. Ben tried to go a different route this season. It didn't work. He is going to have to have the willingness to pay one way or the other.

[Kimmi]

I was about to say essentially this. ERod has a way to go yet.

 

Ben needs to go get arms. He should be very aggressive. I really doubt that a "young, controllable" ACE type is available.

 

So I'm watching the TD deals for pitchers of all ages. I am hoping that if pitchers are moved that they don't sign long term deals until FA this fall.

 

Ben needs to go big twice in my eyes. Otherwise this team is f***ed for next year too.

 

I don't think he's an ace yet either. That wasn't the point. The point is that we got a young, cost-controlled, good starting pitcher for relatively little, so it can happen. Teams will often deal overpay from their areas of strength for an area of need.

 

I'm not saying that a young ace is going to drop into our laps for peanuts. But it is possible that we can find one through trade that seems fair to both sides.

[cp176]

I don't know who they are, and I'm not saying any deal will happen. I agree, getting a cost-controlled ace will likely cost a lot. To get an ace through free agency, it will also cost a lot. Ben tried to go a different route this season. It didn't work. He is going to have to have the willingness to pay one way or the other.

 

I think that we will know fairly soon which direction the franchise is heading in.

[a700hitter]

I think that we will know fairly soon which direction the franchise is heading in.

But I am not sure Ben knows yet. LOL!!

[iortiz]

I don't think he's an ace yet either. That wasn't the point. The point is that we got a young, cost-controlled, good starting pitcher for relatively little, so it can happen. Teams will often deal overpay from their areas of strength for an area of need.

 

I'm not saying that a young ace is going to drop into our laps for peanuts. But it is possible that we can find one through trade that seems fair to both sides.

 

Like who and at what price?

 

I do not see teams giving up top young talent, especially pitchers. Since our farm in that regard is not good, we have to spend big bucks in order to get good pitchers, especially durable and consistent, like Lester or Shields . It is what it is.

Edited July 26, 2015 by iortiz

[mvp 78]

"Especially"

[User Name]

Yet the Padres are essentially giving away Shields because he's been a league-average pitcher this year. This is why these contracts are usually bad investments. You keep saying the same flawed idea no matter how many times you're proven wrong on it. Shields was a terrible investment from the get-go, and Lester will be soon. This team needs to focus on young, upper-level pitching.

 

They can get good, young, controllable pitching, but they will have to pay the price in money and prospects.

[iortiz]

I was about to say essentially this. ERod has a way to go yet.

 

Ben needs to go get arms. He should be very aggressive. I really doubt that a "young, controllable" ACE type is available.

 

So I'm watching the TD deals for pitchers of all ages. I am hoping that if pitchers are moved that they don't sign long term deals until FA this fall.

 

Ben needs to go big twice in my eyes. Otherwise this team is f***ed for next year too.

 

Exactly.

 

You build a rotation around guys like Scherzer, Lester, Cueto, etc. not ERod.

 

While I like him, he is not Kershew, José Fernandez, DeGromm, etc. and these kind of young talent are untouchables.

[iortiz]

"Especially"

 

Fixed.

[iortiz]

Padres are trying to sell everything. They are done anyways. Shields is a very good pitcher. He is still putting very nice numbers. He is going to be oks and will earn his paycheck, just like Lester.

[cp176]

But I am not sure Ben knows yet. LOL!!

 

This is what frightens me the most I think. The problems are pretty recognizable . They might not be easily fixable but they are fixable and you have to start somewhere sometime. I hope they make moves for the franchise that make sense and aren't just examples of window dressing.

[Thunder]

ESPN says that we're still in the Hamels sweepstakes. According to them, Dodgers and Rangers are favorites, but Cubs, Yanks, Giants, and Sox are in the running.

[a700hitter]

We have seen that Ben can dismantle a team in 2012 and last year getting rid of our entire starting pitching staff. But can he re-mantle? LOL!!!

[Northern Star]

 

Ben needs to go big twice in my eyes.

 

Is this another facial thing?

[a700hitter]

Is this another facial thing?

Thank goodness I wasn't drinking anything or the laptop would have shorted out. LOL!!

[Spitball]

Exactly.

 

You build a rotation around guys like Scherzer, Lester, Cueto, etc. not ERod.

 

That is interesting as Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, and John Smoltz are inducted into the Hall of Fame. All three were traded as unproven young pitchers by teams that obviously undervalued their potential. That said, how do you know Eduardo Rodriguez is not the guy to build a rotation around?

 

Would you prefer the Sox throw long term mega bucks at a proven top of the rotation guy like Johan Santana, Justin Verlander, Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, or CC Sabathia? Do they gamble on the next level like Ubaldo Jimenez, C.J.Wilson, Ricky Nolasco, Josh Beckett, Ian Kennedy, or R.A. Dickey? In my opinion, it is not wise to pay big dollars, long term for past performance.

 

The best way is probably to try to draft a young ace like Keuchel, deGrom, or Garret Cole. Or trade for a young unproven Archer, Kluber, Arrieta, Shelby Miller...or Eduardo Rodriguez.

[iortiz]

That is interesting as Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, and John Smoltz are inducted into the Hall of Fame. All three were traded as unproven young pitchers by teams that obviously undervalued their potential. That said, how do you know Eduardo Rodriguez is not the guy to build a rotation around?

 

Would you prefer the Sox throw long term mega bucks at a proven top of the rotation guy like Johan Santana, Justin Verlander, Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, or CC Sabathia? Do they gamble on the next level like Ubaldo Jimenez, C.J.Wilson, Ricky Nolasco, Josh Beckett, Ian Kennedy, or R.A. Dickey? In my opinion, it is not wise to pay big dollars, long term for past performance.

 

The best way is probably to try to draft a young ace like Keuchel, deGrom, or Garret Cole. Or trade for a young unproven Archer, Kluber, Arrieta, Shelby Miller...or Eduardo Rodriguez.

I like ERod and all, and hopefully he becomes an ace, but putting him next to Kluber, Arrieta, Archer, etc. it's too early.

 

Also, trying to draft for young aces is a pipedream. Again, this team will have to invest in pitching, otherwise we will see this movie over and over again.

[jacksonianmarch]

You only deal ERod if you get a young pitcher in return. I'd try to center around him to get a guy like Harvey

[User Name]

I like ERod and all, and hopefully he becomes an ace, but putting him next to Kluber, Arrieta, Archer, etc. it's too early.

 

Also, trying to draft for young aces is a pipedream. Again, this team will have to invest in pitching, otherwise we will see this movie over and over again.

 

In young pitching wish upside. Not veterans with the possibility of becoming busts with enormous contracts. Why is this so hard to understand?

[User Name]

You only deal ERod if you get a young pitcher in return. I'd try to center around him to get a guy like Harvey

 

Pretty much.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I like ERod and all, and hopefully he becomes an ace, but putting him next to Kluber, Arrieta, Archer, etc. it's too early.

 

Also, trying to draft for young aces is a pipedream.

 

Then where do all of the young aces come from? Did they just appear one day on a Major League roster, complete with a list of unimpeachable references and two years of solid Major League experience?

[SoxHop]

In young pitching wish upside. Not veterans with the possibility of becoming busts with enormous contracts. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

isn't Verlander's yearly salary something like mid 20 mil until 2021....... that s*** is scary....

[User Name]

He keeps using Shields as an example of contracts the Red Sox should be aiming to give out. Dude has a 4.12 FIP, 94 ERA+, 1.31 WHIP, and has given up 20 bombs in the best pitcher's park on this planet. He's a great example of what the Red Sox should NOT do.

[dupree]

Report out that Blue Jays were close to obtaining Carrasco. The Sox have a strong farm I'd think they could snag him since the Guardians are listening then Sox should pounce.

[User Name]

Sox can (and should) easily outdo the Blue Jays for Carrasco. That's exactly the type of guy they should be targeting.

[jacksonianmarch]

FA deals are basically made the with first half in mind except for the unknowns like Cubans or Japanese. You really cannot build an entire rotation via FA. 1 or 2 guys from there is totally fine, but an entire rotation via FA basically means you'll be competitive for half the contracts. There are also certain players and certain ages where shelling out the cash is worth it. I think Price fits that category. Not sure if Cueto does.

[cp176]

You only deal ERod if you get a young pitcher in return. I'd try to center around him to get a guy like Harvey

 

I don't see trading Rodriguez as making any sense. A power arm who is a middle of rotation guy at the worst. No one knows what his ceiling might be.

[cp176]

I don't see trading Rodriguez as making any sense. A power arm who is a middle of rotation guy at the worst. No one knows what his ceiling might be.

 

 

A solid free agent sign (Price maybe) and a solid trade to go along with Rodriguez and they have the makings of a very good pitching staff. Moves they should have made a long time ago. We all thought that Porcello and Miley were good pieces to have in place at the 3 4 or 5 slots. You can't count on Bucholtz but he is still in the picture.