Red Sox Offense – Bold Moves

[NativeBostonian]

For a 3-5 year time horizon, the power hitter.

 

For this year's team - the ace would make a larger marginal difference to a part of the team less likely to improve naturally.

 

I'd play it out a little. Right now, the pitching isn't the thing that is hurting us, it is the offense. See if the pitching staff can consistently pitch well before we get something we might not need.

[sk7326]

I'd play it out a little. Right now, the pitching isn't the thing that is hurting us, it is the offense. See if the pitching staff can consistently pitch well before we get something we might not need.

 

Oh I would too - the question asked what would I do if I made a deal. I just expect the offense to perk up because the results have been so bizarre so far.

[a700hitter]

Castillo has been called up and Bradley sent down, most likely to be traded at some point.

[jacksonianmarch]

What’s a legitimate shot to you? Most players who played as bad as Jackie did offensively wouldn’t have gotten the full year to prove himself.

 

Legitimate shot this year

[bostopz]

So I have a theoretical for you guys. You have the option to deal for a middle of the order power hitter or an ace. Let's put this in a bubble and consider salary, length of contract and trade pieces the same. Which trade do you pull off?

 

 

I'm with spudboy- I'd take the ace.

[cp176]

Jackie hasn't been given a legitimate shot, but at the same time, he has shown no capability to handle the spotlight. He got a full year last yr and instead of improving, he turtled. I think Farrell is using him as he feels he is best suited, as a late inning defensive replacement and 4th OFer. My bet is that the sox deal JBJ for something of value to try and make the POs as every team in the AL East has sucked for the most part and the division is wide open for the taking. And depending on the spot, JBJ should thrive. If he was dealt to TB or Philly where the expectations (or the fan base in terms of TB) just aren't there, he should play well. I think I said when he came up that he was probably a bottom tier starting CFer as his upside. Not a lot of power. Solid defense. Minor league solid hit tool. Not a lot of speed. He's a young Melky Cabrera with better D and worse power.

 

Jackie Bradley has speed. Not a base stealer but he is fast. I don't know if it is for the better or worse but I think that he is done in Boston. He has had time to show what he can do and at this point it's obvious to everybody what his strengths and weaknesses are. Time to turn the page. Same goes for Nava. He has been a role player for a number of years but it is time to move on. Give that job to somebody else. A shame about Victorino - lots of talent still but if he can't play, he can't help. Seriously, I think that all of this so called stockpiled talent that we accumulated is just becoming a gross over estimate by everybody. I hope Castillo hits. I would also like to see him catch the ball with both hands now and then. Still not a bad thing. I don't think anybody really knows how to solve this team's problems and I don't think anyone is really to blame for anything other than the players themselves. One thing that most successful people do realize is that if you continuously do the same thing over and over and over and over and it doesn't work then you are stupid. No one could have predicted what has happened to this team. No one here, can say I told you so. They are just going to have to work through a tough time. We have seen worse. I'm still waiting for that "great young player" to emerge. I'm not sure we really have one. It would be nice if we just had something to get excited about. I'm not talking about the guy who needs 3 to 5 years to develop. I want a reason to be excited for them even if it is with an eye to the future.

[Kimmi]

I am excited about our great young players, Xander, Mookie, and Swihart, even though they aren't performing right now the way we hope they eventually will. Swihart was thrown into a tough situation before he was ready. Xander and Mookie are still very young, and likely feeling more pressure because the veteran guys are stinking so badly. They will emerge.

[a700hitter]

Jackie Bradley has speed. Not a base stealer but he is fast. I don't know if it is for the better or worse but I think that he is done in Boston. He has had time to show what he can do and at this point it's obvious to everybody what his strengths and weaknesses are. Time to turn the page. Same goes for Nava. He has been a role player for a number of years but it is time to move on. Give that job to somebody else. A shame about Victorino - lots of talent still but if he can't play, he can't help. Seriously, I think that all of this so called stockpiled talent that we accumulated is just becoming a gross over estimate by everybody. I hope Castillo hits. I would also like to see him catch the ball with both hands now and then. Still not a bad thing. I don't think anybody really knows how to solve this team's problems and I don't think anyone is really to blame for anything other than the players themselves. One thing that most successful people do realize is that if you continuously do the same thing over and over and over and over and it doesn't work then you are stupid. No one could have predicted what has happened to this team. No one here, can say I told you so. They are just going to have to work through a tough time. We have seen worse. I'm still waiting for that "great young player" to emerge. I'm not sure we really have one. It would be nice if we just had something to get excited about. I'm not talking about the guy who needs 3 to 5 years to develop. I want a reason to be excited for them even if it is with an eye to the future.

you and I remember Jim Rice and Freddie Lynn being dominant stars as rookies whole we had Cecil Cooper taking a couple of seasons to develop as a premier hitter and the same for Dewey. That all came after a big tall rock of a man called Pudge hit the scene as a star catcher in 1972. Dick O'Connell built all of that. They were an exciting group of young stars. We haven't seen anything close to that since then. They were so good and exciting that they helped Yaz revive his career. The excitement of the kids rubbed off on him and pushed him even harder than he had been pushing himself.

[Palodios]

Time for a new hitting coach. Chili Davis has done jack s*** to help an offense that should be among the best in baseball.

[a700hitter]

Time for a new hitting coach. Chili Davis has done jack s*** to help an offense that should be among the best in baseball.

 

I thought I saw him looking at hitting charts in the dugout last night, but it turned out that it was just some take out food menus.

[Kimmi]

Time to call up Allen Craig!

[wyo-sox]

So I have a theoretical for you guys. You have the option to deal for a middle of the order power hitter or an ace. Let's put this in a bubble and consider salary, length of contract and trade pieces the same. Which trade do you pull off?

 

Me, probably neither, this team is not one player away from being a good team. I take either a power hitter or ace- which ever is younger and gives me the best chance to build around.

[Spudboy]

Jackie Bradley has speed. Not a base stealer but he is fast. I don't know if it is for the better or worse but I think that he is done in Boston. He has had time to show what he can do and at this point it's obvious to everybody what his strengths and weaknesses are. Time to turn the page. Same goes for Nava. He has been a role player for a number of years but it is time to move on. Give that job to somebody else. A shame about Victorino - lots of talent still but if he can't play, he can't help. Seriously, I think that all of this so called stockpiled talent that we accumulated is just becoming a gross over estimate by everybody. I hope Castillo hits. I would also like to see him catch the ball with both hands now and then. Still not a bad thing. I don't think anybody really knows how to solve this team's problems and I don't think anyone is really to blame for anything other than the players themselves. One thing that most successful people do realize is that if you continuously do the same thing over and over and over and over and it doesn't work then you are stupid. No one could have predicted what has happened to this team. No one here, can say I told you so. They are just going to have to work through a tough time. We have seen worse. I'm still waiting for that "great young player" to emerge. I'm not sure we really have one. It would be nice if we just had something to get excited about. I'm not talking about the guy who needs 3 to 5 years to develop. I want a reason to be excited for them even if it is with an eye to the future.

 

Excellent post.

 

But I wish to point out that JBJ had only 13 AB during his latest Boston cup of Joe. He faced Dickey , The King, And Gray.

 

I am not making excuses for him. But that's some heavy artillery.

 

I think Jacko is correct. JBJ has not been given a complete chance THIS SEASON.

[Spudboy]

Time to call up Allen Craig!

 

"Shirley you must be joking?"

[cp176]

Excellent post.

 

But I wish to point out that JBJ had only 13 AB during his latest Boston cup of Joe. He faced Dickey , The King, And Gray.

 

I am not making excuses for him. But that's some heavy artillery.

 

I think Jacko is correct. JBJ has not been given a complete chance THIS SEASON.

 

I am a big fan of JBJ's. I agree with you really. I just don't see it happening in Boston. Everybody seems to want to think that this team can be in contention. With that thinking, he isn't going to get the reps he needs. If they stuck him out there and just left him alone, he might make it. In all honesty, I think that he might be ultimately as good as what they have out there now. i like him. It really surprises me that he hasn't come along. I bet he gets a chance someday and surprises all of the doubters.

[cp176]

you and I remember Jim Rice and Freddie Lynn being dominant stars as rookies whole we had Cecil Cooper taking a couple of seasons to develop as a premier hitter and the same for Dewey. That all came after a big tall rock of a man called Pudge hit the scene as a star catcher in 1972. Dick O'Connell built all of that. They were an exciting group of young stars. We haven't seen anything close to that since then. They were so good and exciting that they helped Yaz revive his career. The excitement of the kids rubbed off on him and pushed him even harder than he had been pushing himself.

 

 

I know you remember when Clemens came along. Finally we could see that we had a real pitcher for the future. i remember 66 as well. As a kid, I couldn't wait to see Tony C. , Mike Andrews, Reggie Smith, and George Scott in 67. Future stars. I'm not sure that anybody's future was brighter than Conigliaro's. He had it all. i just want one that we can say that is a no brainer. i get it that for most, it takes a little time. I've just been spoiled I guess. What do think - is one too much to ask for? Just one and I don't care if he pitches or plays the field.

[Behindenemylines]

Farrell shacking up the lineup tonight. I know you are not going to win too many games when your cleanup hitter has zero RBIs in the month of May. As bad as things are they are only 4and a half games back of a Rays who everyone knows are not going to distance themselves from the pack. The AL East division winner may not win 90 games.

[jacksonianmarch]

Have the Yankees and Red Sox ever fired their managers and GMs in the same season? Cause it might happen

[Behindenemylines]

Have the Yankees and Red Sox ever fired their managers and GMs in the same season? Cause it might happen

 

I know Farrell is on thin ice. The team is not playing good baseball.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm reading the Farrell rumblings as well. Since catching lightning in a bottle, he has really not done the best job. Funny thing is, Girardi hasn't had any rumblings around him. I get that it's early, but this dumpster fire of a ten game stretch would make any manager check the temp of his seat

[bostopz]

Farrell on thin ice after winning it all in 2013?

 

I don't believe it.

 

I think it is just internet chatter.

[Kimmi]

Farrell on thin ice after winning it all in 2013?

 

I don't believe it.

 

I think it is just internet chatter.

 

My neighbor is a Reds fan. He said that he would give anything to have had the same success that the Sox have had since 2000. His feeling about the 2 last place finishes in 2012 and 2014 is 'who the heck cares?' when you have WS Championship in between, not to mention 2 other championships in recent memory. I would guess that most fans of other teams would feel the same way.

 

Red Sox fans have had it good since this ownership group took over. Really good.

[sk7326]

My neighbor is a Reds fan. He said that he would give anything to have had the same success that the Sox have had since 2000. His feeling about the 2 last place finishes in 2012 and 2014 is 'who the heck cares?' when you have WS Championship in between, not to mention 2 other championships in recent memory. I would guess that most fans of other teams would feel the same way.

 

Red Sox fans have had it good since this ownership group took over. Really good.

 

It is fun to see how quickly we turned to entitled.

[Spudboy]

Entitled my ass. The Sox I have been following have won 3 WS 49 years.

 

I just want to see good baseball.

 

In this marked it is put up or shut up. Because we have invested way more than most fans.

 

It must be fun labeling others with generalizations when one is so perfect.

[User Name]

Most Red Sox fans are entitled whether you've been watching for 50 years, or five. It is what it is.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox fans are entitled, no doubt. But they're not quite as spoiled these days as they were during the golden Epstein-Francona years, when the team was expected to post 95 wins every year and generally did.

[mvp 78]

Most Red Sox fans are entitled whether you've been watching for 50 years, or five. It is what it is.

 

In order of entitlement: Pats, Sox, C's then Bruins.

 

Pats fans are the absolute worst.

[User Name]

In order of entitlement: Pats, Sox, C's then Bruins.

 

Pats fans are the absolute worst.

 

I agree, but Sox fans are, for the most part, absolutely terrible as well. Specially the "transplants" who go out of their way to be *******s because they have to overcompensate in order to "prove" their loyalty to the team and not be labeled pink hats. Why other people's perception of whether or not you are a "True" fan is important is beyond me.

[a700hitter]

Yes. I feel entitled to go into my pocket to shell out $125 for a couple of decent seats to see a game, $160 if you have a couple of beers and hot dogs. So selfish.

[sk7326]

The prices are exorbitant - and certainly that is why I argue vehemently when someone says we should throw away a given season the way a team like the Marlins would. The fans are asked a lot - the team has to give the consumers something for that.

 

At the same time, not every year without a title is a failure - and not every failure is a reason to rip it to the studs. And 2015 is not even a failure yet - it is a little below a reasonable expectation.

 

Pink hats are great. The more the merrier - although it is hard not be jealous of someone whose disappointment in the franchise only goes back to 2011.