Red Sox Offense – Bold Moves

[a700hitter]

It is a terribly constructed team. Terrible pitching and fielding will sink you every time. Add an under performing offense and things get really ugly. We are watching it play out.

[sk7326]

You mean Peguero, who is terrible. De Aza is better defensively, has some speed, pop and sucks way less.

 

De Aza can at least legitimately start if something happened. He is a 4th outfielder, but a much better one.

[sk7326]

It makes you wonder Ted if Cherington isn't full panic mode with those moves. Peguero is terrible and was rejected by Texas and Baltimore got rid of Di Aza (sic) I don't see how he can help but if he can I would accept it because we do need some offense. Another sad performance tonight....two hits?????

 

Are you really hyperventilating about the 25th man on the roster??

[User Name]

Are you really hyperventilating about the 25th man on the roster??

 

Whining about depth fodder is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever seen anyone do on this site, and we have multiple people doing it. I don't even know what to say.

[a700hitter]

Are you really hyperventilating about the 25th man on the roster??

no one is hyperventilating about the 25th roster spot except Ben who has addressed the issue twice in the last week. The point is that he has bigger fish to fry.

[sk7326]

no one is hyperventilating about the 25th roster spot except Ben who has addressed the issue twice in the last week. The point is that he has bigger fish to fry.

 

It's multitasking - and I'd EXPECT Cherington to cycle through back of the bullpen and back of the roster types ... I'm pretty sure the Cole Hamels phone call does not need to be made every day

[sk7326]

If you want a simple, traditional stat btw to demonstrate the Sox woes - you don't need RISP, you don't need batted ball stats ...

 

A team that plays half its games at Fenway Park is STILL 15th out of 15 AL teams in doubles. It is far and away the most mind numbing of the Red Sox statistical oddities this season.

[User Name]

Henry mentioned this himself in his interview the other day. A team with a bunch of right-handed hitters with XBH production is not hitting for extra bases.

[a700hitter]

It's multitasking - and I'd EXPECT Cherington to cycle through back of the bullpen and back of the roster types ... I'm pretty sure the Cole Hamels phone call does not need to be made every day

then he sucks at multi-tasking if he had to address the crucial 25th man issue twice in a week without an intervening injury. Get your act together Ben. Stop rearranging the deck chairs. You are headed for a mother of an iceberg.

[a700hitter]

If you want a simple, traditional stat btw to demonstrate the Sox woes - you don't need RISP, you don't need batted ball stats ...

 

A team that plays half its games at Fenway Park is STILL 15th out of 15 AL teams in doubles. It is far and away the most mind numbing of the Red Sox statistical oddities this season.

This is astounding considering that it is consistently the #1 park for doubles.

[a700hitter]

If you want a simple, traditional stat btw to demonstrate the Sox woes - you don't need RISP, you don't need batted ball stats ...

 

A team that plays half its games at Fenway Park is STILL 15th out of 15 AL teams in doubles. It is far and away the most mind numbing of the Red Sox statistical oddities this season.

Part of the reason is that we have some terribly slow slugs in the lineup. Papi is really slowed with age. Panda's heart rate accelerates to fainting level as he rounds first base. Napoli is pretty slow too. Nava has below average speed (hard to tell this year because he never gets on base). Hannigan is super slow. Betts is super fast, but everything he hits up a gap gets caught.

[sk7326]

Part of the reason is that we have some terribly slow slugs in the lineup. Papi is really slowed with age. Panda's heart rate accelerates to fainting level as he rounds first base. Napoli is pretty slow too. Nava has below average speed (hard to tell this year because he never gets on base). Hannigan is super slow. Betts is super fast, but everything he hits up a gap gets caught.

 

Our slowpokes never got in the way the last decade plus - it might be a part - but it's a small one. There have not been an inordinate number of "Fenway singles" or anything

[seabeachfred]

It really is hard to believe how bad the offense is.

 

As 700 Hitter put it, "it is a terribly constructed team". There are some who don't want to accept that around here but it is June and still we aren't hitting. It could be Chil Davis' fault or it could be that Cherington over valued what he got last winter. Did you see Panda at the plate last night? His gut was so big and hanging over his belt that it was a shock that he could get his bat around without his elbow bashing against his belly. And Bell, it looks to me that perhaps Castillo may not be worth anything near the $72 million they plunked down for him because he looked terrible yesterday and hasn't shown any kind of power whatsoever. OTOH, Bogaerts is coming around, and I really think Betts will do the same---and we need to keep Swihart in that lineup because you don't improve sitting on the bench while a journeyman with no future with the team gets most of the at-bats. I did, however, like the way Leon handled ER in the first game. He does seem to handle the staff well, but we need hitting and must put our best men in the lineup. Maybe today we have a good show.

[Bellhorn04]

The most mind-numbing stat to me is that we are averaging 3.74 runs per game. That's even worse than last year when we averaged 3.91.

[seabeachfred]

That is not plus fielding. The big culprits are he 2 free agents. I know that Pedroia's errors are up, but some of those errors were questionable calls. One was clearly XB's error, not Pedey's. I'll take Pedey on my defensive squad every time. XB has made a huge improvement. Panda has been bad. Napoli bad too. Hanley is a train wreck.

 

What a way to start the day----with all this bad news about how we're doing. Truth sometimes stings, but Bogaerts has been a very pleasant surprise and I think Betts will get it going very soon. I'm puzzled about DeAza and Peguero. I wouldn't be if they were sent down or kept on the bench but Peggy was in the lineup last night and both of them are total rejects from other teams. Are we so putrid that we have to take on other teams' excess garbage?

[seabeachfred]

Whining about depth fodder is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever seen anyone do on this site, and we have multiple people doing it. I don't even know what to say.

 

The best thing lard ass is to say nothing. You started this flaming s*** with your personal attacks. And it isn't depth fodder when a turd like Peguero gets into the starting lineup. Why the hell was he in there anyway last night when Hanley had come off the first game with two hits and good production? And why was Fatso in there when we won the first game without him?

[a700hitter]

The most mind-numbing stat to me is that we are averaging 3.74 runs per game. That's even worse than last year when we averaged 3.91.

Isn't run production down across baseball?

[iortiz]

It is a terribly constructed team. Terrible pitching and fielding will sink you every time. Add an under performing offense and things get really ugly. We are watching it play out.

 

Bingo!. This what I've been saying. I do not like the strategy they took. Poor Pitching and Good offense and still some questions marks were out there with some players like Napoli, Victorino, Panda, Ortiz, etc.

 

Problem is bigger now, all departments are sinking.

[a700hitter]

Bingo!. This what I've been saying. I do not like the strategy they took. Poor Pitching and Good offense and still some questions marks were out there with some players like Napoli, Victorino, Panda, Ortiz, etc.

 

Problem is bigger now, all departments are sinking.

Reinforcements and changes are needed to keep this ship from spiraling toward the drain.

[Bellhorn04]

Isn't run production down across baseball?

 

It's about the same as it was last year.

[User Name]

Well this once entertaining discussion about the Red Sox' poor offensive showing inevitably went down the crapper. Oh well.

[seabeachfred]

Our slowpokes never got in the way the last decade plus - it might be a part - but it's a small one. There have not been an inordinate number of "Fenway singles" or anything

 

One Achilles heel has been all the soft contact most of our hitters have made this season. Aside from Betts who hits in miserable luck and maybe one or two others we haven't even hit the ball hard consistently. Personally I think we have until the end of the month to get our s*** together, otherwise we are looking down a deep cavern---and someone in the organization is going to have to fall on their sword.

[Spudboy]

What a way to start the day----with all this bad news about how we're doing. Truth sometimes stings, but Bogaerts has been a very pleasant surprise and I think Betts will get it going very soon. I'm puzzled about DeAza and Peguero. I wouldn't be if they were sent down or kept on the bench but Peggy was in the lineup last night and both of them are total rejects from other teams. Are we so putrid that we have to take on other teams' excess garbage?

 

Teams do this all the time. So this is not unusual. There is no risk involved. If they don't work out they are gone. What's the big deal?

[Spudboy]

One Achilles heel has been all the soft contact most of our hitters have made this season. Aside from Betts who hits in miserable luck and maybe one or two others we haven't even hit the ball hard consistently. Personally I think we have until the end of the month to get our s*** together, otherwise we are looking down a deep cavern---and someone in the organization is going to have to fall on their sword.

 

Kimmi debunked this idea with statistics while you were gone. I remember because I said something similar.

 

The absence of XBH has been noticeable and has hurt to be sure. But balls are coming off the bat with very good velocity as the stats prove.

[a700hitter]

Kimmi debunked this idea with statistics while you were gone. I remember because I said something similar.

 

The absence of XBH has been noticeable and has hurt to be sure. But balls are coming off the bat with very good velocity as the stats prove.

 

I wasn't convinced by the stats produced. My recollection is that there isn't a team metric for velocity of batted balls, and I don't think it is reliable to extrapolate from the handful of individual stats produced.

[a700hitter]

Kimmi debunked this idea with statistics while you were gone. I remember because I said something similar.

 

The absence of XBH has been noticeable and has hurt to be sure. But balls are coming off the bat with very good velocity as the stats prove.

 

I do however agree with her that our oFensive production has been anomolous, bordering on being an enigma. . However, the pitching is not an enigma. They are not a talented staff and their lousy performance has been no surprise.

[Spudboy]

I wasn't convinced by the stats produced. My recollection is that there isn't a team metric for velocity of batted balls, and I don't think it is reliable to extrapolate from the handful of individual stats produced.

 

You have a point. Of all the useful and interesting data Kimmi has posted those stood out as somewhat suspect. It does seem like way less balls are stung in the gap and make it to the wall on the ground or in the air.

 

About a month ago I posted that Panda did not have any doubles or something like that. And Hanley was not much better. Now they do have some xbh but not many. Ad that to Papi's woes, add in Napoli and the entire middle of the order is completely anemic.

 

The big guns have just not gotten it done.

[a700hitter]

You have a point. Of all the useful and interesting data Kimmi has posted those stood out as somewhat suspect. It does seem like way less balls are stung in the gap and make it to the wall on the ground or in the air.

 

About a month ago I posted that Panda did not have any doubles or something like that. And Hanley was not much better. Now they do have some xbh but not many. Ad that to Papi's woes, add in Napoli and the entire middle of the order is completely anemic.

 

The big guns have just not gotten it done.

 

I am confident that the bats will awaken, but hopefully it will happen before it is too late.

[Kimmi]

I wasn't convinced by the stats produced. My recollection is that there isn't a team metric for velocity of batted balls, and I don't think it is reliable to extrapolate from the handful of individual stats produced.

 

The point of my post was not to debate whether the team, as a whole, is toward the top or bottom in batted ball velocity, but to dispute some claims about Papi's bat speed being a lot slower and about Hanley hitting a lot of weak ground balls. Both of those hitters are toward the top in batted ball velocity, Papi currently at #23 and Hanley at #35.

 

The team overall may very well be toward the bottom.

 

Interestingly, Pedroia and Bogaerts are the two lowest Sox players, at 172 and 225, respectively.

[a700hitter]

The point of my post was not to debate whether the team, as a whole, is toward the top or bottom in batted ball velocity, but to dispute some claims about Papi's bat speed being a lot slower and about Hanley hitting a lot of weak ground balls. Both of those hitters are toward the top in batted ball velocity, Papi currently at #23 and Hanley at #35.

 

The team overall may very well be toward the bottom.

 

Interestingly, Pedroia and Bogaerts are the two lowest Sox players, at 172 and 225, respectively.

 

Well you did post stats for other of our players so it wasn't clear that you were only making a statement about Papi and Hanley.