2015 MLB Gamethread

[a700hitter]

What Morales said was that he heard his catcher say to throw the ball home, but when he looked home, he didn't see the runner. He probably looked to 3rd to see how far off the bag the runner was. It was a tailor made DP, but the catcher is the guy out there directing the fielder where to throw the ball. If the catcher is yelling "home, home", then Morales is thinking he should throw home.

Did anyone read that Perez said that he yelled home?

 

Edit: plus with first and third and one out on a hard comebacker, I wouldn't care if my catcher yelled bomb or fire, the runner on third doesn't matter there. The batter hadn't left the box when Morales caught the ball. He had a brain fart and is making excuses. I don't like excuses.

Edited November 1, 2015 by a700hitter

[Kimmi]

Did anyone read that Perez said that he yelled home?

 

Edit: plus with first and third and one out on a hard comebacker, I wouldn't care if my catcher yelled bomb or fire, the runner on third doesn't matter there. The batter hadn't left the box when Morales caught the ball. He had a brain fart and is making excuses. I don't like excuses.

 

I have not read that Perez acknowledged yelling 'home', nor have I read that he denied it.

 

I agree that in that situation the typical play is to throw to second and get the DP. However, if your catcher is yelling 'home, it is going to give you reason to pause. The catcher's job in that situation is to direct the play. The fielder is not watching the runners, he is fielding the ball. For all the pitcher knows, the runner on first took off with the pitch and there was no chance at the double play, in which case the play would be at home.

 

Maybe Perez didn't yell anything. Morales insists that he heard it though, and even went so far as to say that he recognized it as Perez' voice. If Perez didn't say anything, then yes, Morales had a big time brain cramp. If Perez did yell 'home', then Morales' actions are fully understandable.

[Bellhorn04]

Hmmm, a blown save for the Mets - that looked kind of Familia. (Well, someone had to say it.)

[Kimmi]

Hmmm, a blown save for the Mets - that looked kind of Familia. (Well, someone had to say it.)

 

LOL Don't quit your day job. I actually think you're a pretty funny guy.

 

That blown save was probably the nail in the Mets' coffin.

[Behindenemylines]

Some where Bill Buckner was smiling last night when the ball rolled past Murphy and the Mets would eventually loss. Come back Royals did it again.

[a700hitter]

I have not read that Perez acknowledged yelling 'home', nor have I read that he denied it.

 

I agree that in that situation the typical play is to throw to second and get the DP. However, if your catcher is yelling 'home, it is going to give you reason to pause. The catcher's job in that situation is to direct the play. The fielder is not watching the runners, he is fielding the ball. For all the pitcher knows, the runner on first took off with the pitch and there was no chance at the double play, in which case the play would be at home.

 

Maybe Perez didn't yell anything. Morales insists that he heard it though, and even went so far as to say that he recognized it as Perez' voice. If Perez didn't say anything, then yes, Morales had a big time brain cramp. If Perez did yell 'home', then Morales' actions are fully understandable.

If he heard Perez yell home, he is the only one who heard it, not even Perez confirmed it. Perez is a standup guy and a team leader -- the kind that would take accountability if he did something wrong. Morales brain-cramped big time. Like I said in that situation you throw to second base no matter what you hear. He panicked like a rookie and he is making a punk excuse. You just love excuses.

[Bellhorn04]

If not for the 2 blown saves, the Mets would be the team up 3-1 in this series.

[Kimmi]

If he heard Perez yell home, he is the only one who heard it, not even Perez confirmed it. Perez is a standup guy and a team leader -- the kind that would take accountability if he did something wrong. Morales brain-cramped big time. Like I said in that situation you throw to second base no matter what you hear. He panicked like a rookie and he is making a punk excuse. You just love excuses.

 

I have no stock in Morales one way or the other and have no reason to make excuses for him. It's not an excuse. If Morales heard his catcher yelling 'home', it is understandable why he reacted like he did.

[Kimmi]

For tonight's game, I say Go Mets!

 

OTOH, for Volquez' sake, I hope he pitches well.

[a700hitter]

I have no stock in Morales one way or the other and have no reason to make excuses for him. It's not an excuse. If Morales heard his catcher yelling 'home', it is understandable why he reacted like he did.

 

Except for the teenie tiny detail that no one else heard Perez yell home including Perez.

Edited November 2, 2015 by a700hitter

[jacksonianmarch]

This Harvey guy is pretty good

[Youk Of The Nation]

I joined this site 10 years ago. The Royals were the joke of the league. They used to be the team we all used as a punchline. A decade later, here I am saying "The Royals have just won the World Series". I f***ing love baseball. I can't remember a more likable team winning anytime recently. This was a good crew.

[Bellhorn04]

And the Royals were so close to being taken out by Houston in the first round - down 2 games to 1 and down 6-2 after 7 innings in Game 4, in Houston.

[jacksonianmarch]

YOTN, I think both teams were likeable. Rarely do you get two upstarts fighting against each other. Usually it is David v Goliath with Goliath winning most of the time

[a700hitter]

The final results make it look like the Mets got dominated, but the Royals snatched victory from them 3 times in the Series. It was the first time in Series history that a team won 3 games in the World Series after being behind in the 8th inning. Many Met fans are very unhappy about Collins late inning management of the final two games.

[Bellhorn04]

The final results make it look like the Mets got dominated, but the Royals snatched victory from them 3 times in the Series. It was the first time in Series history that a team won 3 games in the World Series after being behind in the 8th inning. Many Met fans are very unhappy about Collins late inning management of the final two games.

 

No doubt. I wonder how the fans at the park who were screaming for him to leave Harvey in feel about it now.

[a700hitter]

No doubt. I wonder how the fans at the park who were screaming for him to leave Harvey in feel about it now.

Idiots and drunks. LOL!! Harvey, at most, should have been allowed 1 baserunner in the 9th inning. He set up Familia for failure 2 nights in a row.

[Spudboy]

Okay. Good for the Royals.

 

 

Onto the important stuff. The off-season maneuvering.

[Kimmi]

I joined this site 10 years ago. The Royals were the joke of the league. They used to be the team we all used as a punchline. A decade later, here I am saying "The Royals have just won the World Series". I f***ing love baseball. I can't remember a more likable team winning anytime recently. This was a good crew.

 

Baseball is awesome. There is no other sport that comes close. I agree with you that the Royals were a very likeable team.

 

And now the long offseason. Boredom has set in already.....

[Northern Star]

Anywhere I could find answers to these questions? Google isn't helping.

 

1. Has a World Series-winning game ever ended on a double play?

2. What's the most runs scored by the winning team in a World-Series winning game.

[Northern Star]

That Hosmer break for the plate in the ninth with 2 outs is a classic example of when teams take risks. It works, they're geniuses, it fails, they're goats. Up 3-1 in the series, I think it was a good risk to take, and it worked out for them. They obviously put a lot of thought into it.

[Kimmi]

Anywhere I could find answers to these questions? Google isn't helping.

 

1. Has a World Series-winning game ever ended on a double play?

2. What's the most runs scored by the winning team in a World-Series winning game.

 

I found this through a Google search:

 

No World Series has ended on a triple play and 2 World Series have ended on a double play.

 

1) 1947 - Bruce Edwards of the Brooklyn Dodgers grounded into a 6-4-3 DP to give the New York Yankees a 5-2 win in Game 7 and a 4 games to 3 win in the Series.

2) 1921 - Home Run Baker of the New York Yankees grounded into a 4-3-5 DP to give the New York Giants a 1-0 win in Game 8 and a 5 games to 3 win in the Series. The 1921 World Series was a best 5 of 9 format.

 

I have not searched for the 2nd question yet.

[Kimmi]

That Hosmer break for the plate in the ninth with 2 outs is a classic example of when teams take risks. It works, they're geniuses, it fails, they're goats. Up 3-1 in the series, I think it was a good risk to take, and it worked out for them. They obviously put a lot of thought into it.

 

You are absolutely right. People are saying what a great baserunning play that was because it worked. Had he been thrown out at the plate, which would have ended the game, they would be saying what a bonehead play that was. A good throw would have likely had him.

[Northern Star]

I found this through a Google search:

 

 

 

I have not searched for the 2nd question yet.

 

Thanks Kimmi.

[Northern Star]

You are absolutely right. People are saying what a great baserunning play that was because it worked. Had he been thrown out at the plate, which would have ended the game, they would be saying what a bonehead play that was. A good throw would have likely had him.

 

So I'm going to temper my praise or criticism of such things going forward. Still think Collins shouldn't have gone with Harvey though. /hindsight.

[a700hitter]

You are absolutely right. People are saying what a great baserunning play that was because it worked. Had he been thrown out at the plate, which would have ended the game, they would be saying what a bonehead play that was. A good throw would have likely had him.

I don't think he would have taken a lot of heat over it if he had been thrown out. If they had lost they would have gone back to KC up 3 games to 2. They were playing with house money.

[Youk Of The Nation]

 

I have not searched for the 2nd question yet.

 

13 runs is the record for a clinching game. It's been done four times, by the A's over the Giants in 1911, the Yankees over the Cubs in 1932, the Yankees over the Giants in 1936, and the f***ing Yankees again over the Reds in 1961. The most runs scored in a shutout in a clinching game is 11, by the Cardinals over the Tigers in 1934 and the Royals over the Cardinals in 1985. Looking through all of the clinching games, there were a few 9 and 10 run scorers, a few more 7 and 8, but the numbers I saw the most were 2 and 3. I'd say about 75% of World-series clinching games were won with less than 5 runs.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Oh, and in case you are interested, the most runs scored in any inning in the WS was when the Tigers scored 10 in the third against the Cardinals in 1968.

[Kimmi]

So I'm going to temper my praise or criticism of such things going forward. Still think Collins shouldn't have gone with Harvey though. /hindsight.

 

I think he would have been better off letting Familia start the inning clean, but that is said in hindsight also. I really had no problem with him letting Harvey start the inning.

[Kimmi]

I don't think he would have taken a lot of heat over it if he had been thrown out. If they had lost they would have gone back to KC up 3 games to 2. They were playing with house money.

 

It might have been soon forgotten because the Royals were likely to win the series anyway, but I do think he would have taken heat over it. It was a risky play. It worked (due to a bad throw), so we heard a lot of praise for Hosmer for being a heads up baserunner, etc. Had he been thrown out, the reaction to the play would have been very different.