Does size really matter?

[a700hitter]

I think all three front office guys are pukes.

Ditto, but wow, you set things off now. The FO made plenty of money on the team's success. They don't need adulation too. It's not like they worry about popularity with fans. Unlike players, there is no market for their autographs and memorabilia. Edited February 27, 2015 by a700hitter

[Kimmi]

All my goodwill rests with Henry and Ben. LL seems to have his own idea of what the Red Sox should do and has undercut the GM in the past. Werner is just a NESN muppet who only cares about crappy secondary programming.

 

- 1 to SnC

-1.25 to Bell (Canadian exchange rate)

- 666 to UN (DR exchange rate)

 

 

+100 to MVP, first for your opinion of LL, second for making me laugh.

[Kimmi]

Ditto, but wow, you set things off now. The FO made plenty of money on the team's success. They don't need adulation too. It's not like they worry about popularity with fans. Unlike players, their is no market for their autographs and memorabilia.

 

Is it not okay to defend the FO?

[Palodios]

Ditto, but wow, you set things off now. The FO made plenty of money on the team's success. They don't need adulation too. It's not like they worry about popularity with fans. Unlike players, their is no market for their autographs and memorabilia.

 

I would pay good money to have my Boston Globe from the 2013 championship signed by Ben Cherrington.

[a700hitter]

Is it not okay to defend the FO?

Sure it is okay. Defend them all you want. As long as you don't take the criticism of the FO personally. I always find that type of reaction to be odd.

[SoxnCycles]

Sure it is okay. Defend them all you want. As long as you don't take the criticism of the FO personally. I always find that type of reaction to be odd.

 

I think taking comments like "this FO has done a better job than previous FOs" and twisting it into "adulation", is a bit odd, myself.

 

This FO has made plenty of mistakes.

They've also been more successful than a lot of teams out there.

It's a fact, not adulation.

[a700hitter]

I think taking comments like "this FO has done a better job than previous FOs" and twisting it into "adulation", is a bit odd, myself.

 

This FO has made plenty of mistakes.

They've also been more successful than a lot of teams out there.

It's a fact, not adulation.

This FO also needs to be thankful for the Wild Card. Without it, there would be 2 playoff appearances in 12 seasons-- not that great.

[sk7326]

Lucchino is annoying and has a big mouth - but he is also the one who bridges the two Sox views (the Sox as a baseball team AND the Sox as a TV show on NESN). To call him an empty suit is not fair - as the guy who developed Camden Yards and more or less discovered guys like Theo, his eye for baseball exec talent is excellent.

 

But yes, the tension in ownership between the Sox as a team and as a TV show is constant and has driven a lot of the short sighted moves. One of the interesting paradoxes I think is that the current Sox trajectory - dramatic down and up - is probably better for the business.

[SoxnCycles]

This FO also needs to be thankful for the Wild Card. Without it, there would be 2 playoff appearances in 12 seasons-- not that great.

 

Yeah, it's not like they're competing with other teams for those spots, or anything.

They're just handed out at random.

[User Name]

Yeah, it's not like they're competing with other teams for those spots, or anything.

They're just handed out at random.

 

I like you. Please post more.

[sk7326]

This FO also needs to be thankful for the Wild Card. Without it, there would be 2 playoff appearances in 12 seasons-- not that great.

 

Considering that this PoV would end up saying a 95-67's accomplishment is not as great as an 83-79 team's accomplishment - I'd have to disagree. Also, without the Wild Card you would expect the Red Sox mathematically to win 2 division titles in 12 seasons, and that would be overachieving if you went back to 4 teams. I will promptly get off of your lawn now.

[a700hitter]

Yeah, it's not like they're competing with other teams for those spots, or anything.

They're just handed out at random.

Do I have to like the FO? LOL!!

 

I do like the Wild Card. I am thankful for the Wild Card. I wish there was a Wild Card in 1978. There's a good chance the WS drought would have ended at 60.

[a700hitter]

Considering that this PoV would end up saying a 95-67's accomplishment is not as great as an 83-79 team's accomplishment - I'd have to disagree. Also, without the Wild Card you would expect the Red Sox mathematically to win 2 division titles in 12 seasons, and that would be overachieving if you went back to 4 teams. I will promptly get off of your lawn now.

 

I don't know where you are getting those numbers from, but 2 playoff appearances in 12 years would not put anyone on a Hall of Fame ballot. While you are on my lawn would you mind watering it and cutting it?

[Bellhorn04]

Why stop with the Wild Card? Why not go all the back to when there were only 2 teams making the playoffs.

[User Name]

Considering that this PoV would end up saying a 95-67's accomplishment is not as great as an 83-79 team's accomplishment - I'd have to disagree. Also, without the Wild Card you would expect the Red Sox mathematically to win 2 division titles in 12 seasons, and that would be overachieving if you went back to 4 teams. I will promptly get off of your lawn now.

 

Lol. Good post.

[a700hitter]

Why stop with the Wild Card? Why not go all the back to when there were only 2 teams making the playoffs.

Ah when the regular season separated the men from the boys.

[User Name]

Why stop with the Wild Card? Why not go all the back to when there were only 2 teams making the playoffs.

 

An accomplishment is an accomplishment. Trying to rationalize it for the sake of being a contrarian is just stupid.

[Bellhorn04]

Ah when the regular season separated the men from the boys.

 

Yeah but like I think we've discussed here before, even under that grand old system the 2 best teams weren't necessarily the ones that made it.

[sk7326]

Do I have to like the FO? LOL!!

 

I do like the Wild Card. I am thankful for the Wild Card. I wish there was a Wild Card in 1978. There's a good chance the WS drought would have ended at 60.

 

That is an interesting intellectual exercise ... going into the BBR wayback machine ...

 

Assuming that we go with an 8 team field (no byes), the ALDS would have been: Yankees v Brewers, Red Sox v Royals. What is funny is both teams would have been paired with somewhat lousy matchups. (Sox were below .500 against Royals that year, Brewers went 10-5 against those Yanks).

[sk7326]

I don't know where you are getting those numbers from, but 2 playoff appearances in 12 years would not put anyone on a Hall of Fame ballot. While you are on my lawn would you mind watering it and cutting it?

 

12 years, 5 teams ... 2-3 titles a team would be an expectation. But even pulling back from that, you are referring to a 12 year run where the Red Sox had two seasons where they won fewer than 86 games (sadly two of the last three). That is right there with any historical run any team not named the Yankees has had.

[a700hitter]

That is an interesting intellectual exercise ... going into the BBR wayback machine ...

 

Assuming that we go with an 8 team field (no byes), the ALDS would have been: Yankees v Brewers, Red Sox v Royals. What is funny is both teams would have been paired with somewhat lousy matchups. (Sox were below .500 against Royals that year, Brewers went 10-5 against those Yanks).

The Red Sox always had a tough time with the turf in KC, but at that time the Sox were a far superior team, and they were getting a second wind down the stretch. They had righted the ship and the guys were pretty healthy at that point.

[sk7326]

Ah when the regular season separated the men from the boys.

 

and geographic coincidences could win titles

[a700hitter]

12 years, 5 teams ... 2-3 titles a team would be an expectation. But even pulling back from that, you are referring to a 12 year run where the Red Sox had two seasons where they won fewer than 86 games (sadly two of the last three). That is right there with any historical run any team not named the Yankees has had.

What period am I referring to? I don't think that I referenced any period, so I don't know where you are getting the 86 win figure.

[SoxnCycles]

Do I have to like the FO? LOL!!

 

I do like the Wild Card. I am thankful for the Wild Card. I wish there was a Wild Card in 1978. There's a good chance the WS drought would have ended at 60.

 

Nope.

Does my appreciation for what they've done with former also-ran team have to be characterized as adulation?

 

They royally screwed the pooch with the Lester negotiations, or lack thereof.

They royally screwed up by signing Crawford to such a large contract.

Feel better?

[sk7326]

What period am I referring to? I don't think that I referenced any period, so I don't know where you are getting the 86 win figure.

 

You are right ... I was going back to when the ownership changed prior to the 2002 season. So a 13 year run, 2 years with fewer than 86 wins. Now I am as worried that two of the last three years are those seasons. But there has been quite a stretch of genuinely good teams.

[a700hitter]

Nope.

Does my appreciation for what they've done with former also-ran team have to be characterized as adulation?

 

They royally screwed the pooch with the Lester negotiations, or lack thereof.

They royally screwed up by signing Crawford to such a large contract.

Feel better?

Did I accuse you of engaging in adulation?

[Spudboy]

I only said the big three are pukes. I never said that I did not believe that they are competent owners.

 

They just rub me the wrong way.

[SoxnCycles]

Did I accuse you of engaging in adulation?

 

"Ditto, but wow, you set things off now. The FO made plenty of money on the team's success. They don't need adulation too. It's not like they worry about popularity with fans. Unlike players, there is no market for their autographs and memorabilia."

 

This was in response to the replies to Spudboy's comment, including mine, correct?

 

I don't like my comments mischaracterized.

I'm funny like that.

[SoxnCycles]

I only said the big three are pukes. I never said that I did not believe that they are competent owners.

 

They just rub me the wrong way.

 

Yup.

I tend to cringe whenever I find that one of them has made public comments.

It hardly ever goes well.

[a700hitter]

You are right ... I was going back to when the ownership changed prior to the 2002 season. So a 13 year run, 2 years with fewer than 86 wins. Now I am as worried that two of the last three years are those seasons. But there has been quite a stretch of genuinely good teams.

And there was a very good stretch of teams from 1975 to 1979-- only a 5 year stretch and 1 playoff appearance. They missed the playoffs with 97 and 99 win seasons.