2014 Roster Projections

[Palodios]

Just curious, but how are those prospects doing?

 

All of them are clearly talented, but they're all still very young.

 

Rizzo is doing okay. He had a very good start to his career in 2012, but had a meh, but not awful 2013. He's still only 24 so there is plenty of room to improve.

Reymond Fuentes had a .900+ OPS in AA and AAA this year with 36 steals over 100 games. His cup of coffee didn't go great, but he is only 22.

Casey Kelly struggled in 2012 because of elbow issues, and finally had TJS in 2013. 23 years old.

[iortiz]

I could literally not be less surprised.

 

f*** off pshyco.

[User Name]

At least spell it correctly.....

[User Name]

The Marlins, Seattle and the Rockies are the three teams currently discussing Napoli beside the Red Sox. None of them should be able to outbid the Sox for his services, so Fred should sleep soundly unless one of them offers something insane.

[seabeachfred]

No, this is a load of bull. I am disagreeing with you because prior to his knee injury scouts graded him as a much better defender than Salty. I have provided my rationale as to why Hanigan would be my ideal backstop, but in the event that someone else trades for him i would rather have Santana who is (depending on how much his knee injury affected him) superior to Salty in both aspects of the game. You're the one who doesn't very much know what he's talking about.

 

Honest question: Would you rather have Salty than Santana?

 

I'd rather have Satalamacchia.....he knows the staff, has proven he can play in Boston and he has improved each year he has been with us. Santana was traded away by the Dodgers who didn't think he was as good as their other young catching prospects even though none of them came close to making it to the Majors. He also hasn't been that good a hitter for the Guardians the past two years and now they are trying to fit him somewhere after being beaten out as catcher and first base. I also wouldn't try to act like a damn know it all when it comes to Dodger prospects. I live in LA and have to endure their propaganda about their over-hyped minor leaguers which Santana wasn't even that highly rated the way things turned out. You're three thousand miles away and to pretend you know as much as I do about things in my area is ridiculous. Stop it!!!!!

Edited November 27, 2013 by seabeachfred

[SoxSport]

I'd rather have Saltana. LOL.

[a700hitter]

I'd rather have Satalamacchia.....he knows the staff, has proven he can play in Boston and he has improved each year he has been with us. Santana was traded away by the Dodgers who didn't think he was as good as their other young catching prospects even though none of them came close to making it to the Majors. He also hasn't been that good a hitter for the Guardians the past two years and now they are trying to fit him somewhere after being beaten out as catcher and first base. I also wouldn't try to act like a damn know it all when it comes to Dodger prospects. I live in LA and have to endure their propaganda about their over-hyped minor leaguers which Santana wasn't even that highly rated the way things turned out. You're three thousand miles away and to pretend you know as much as I do about things in my area is ridiculous. Stop it!!!!!

The Dodgers have done very well at over-hyping their prospects and then trading them. It has been a major part of their playbook for as long as i can remember.

[marklmw]

I have to add my two cents here ... I would rather have Santana than Salty ... I would play Santana at 1B but he can also be used behind the plate. This kid looks promising and he would be a great value play. The Sox can package Lavarnway/ Butler along with a prospect .... maybe Webster for Santana. The Sox can team Ross with Hanigan or Lavarnway/Butler.

[Palodios]

I have to add my two cents here ... I would rather have Santana than Salty ... I would play Santana at 1B but he can also be used behind the plate. This kid looks promising and he would be a great value play. The Sox can package Lavarnway/ Butler along with a prospect .... maybe Webster for Santana. The Sox can team Ross with Hanigan or Lavarnway/Butler.

 

I see now reason why they make that trade. Santana has 3/18 left on his contract, and a 12 million dollar option for a 4th year. Absolutely no reason to trade a very solid DH option for the Red Sox's junk and a maybe-prospect like Webster.

[marklmw]

I see now reason why they make that trade. Santana has 3/18 left on his contract, and a 12 million dollar option for a 4th year. Absolutely no reason to trade a very solid DH option for the Red Sox's junk and a maybe-prospect like Webster.

I hear you Palodios ... what would you be willing to offer for Santana?

[win red sox]

I'd rather have Satalamacchia.....he knows the staff, has proven he can play in Boston and he has improved each year he has been with us. Santana was traded away by the Dodgers who didn't think he was as good as their other young catching prospects even though none of them came close to making it to the Majors. He also hasn't been that good a hitter for the Guardians the past two years and now they are trying to fit him somewhere after being beaten out as catcher and first base. I also wouldn't try to act like a damn know it all when it comes to Dodger prospects. I live in LA and have to endure their propaganda about their over-hyped minor leaguers which Santana wasn't even that highly rated the way things turned out. You're three thousand miles away and to pretend you know as much as I do about things in my area is ridiculous. Stop it!!!!!

 

Not to be an ass, but to say he hasn't been a good hitter the last 2 years is absurd.

 

2012 .785 ops wRC+ 121

2013 .832 ops wRC+ 135

 

Just to put that in context, his 2013 season would have been 2nd on the Sox behind Ortiz who had a 152 wRC+ with at least 300 abs.

[win red sox]

I hear you Palodios ... what would you be willing to offer for Santana?

 

I know this question is not for me, but I thought I would chime in. I would offer Betts, Ranuado, Carp, and Dempster for Santana and Stubbs. Santana would split time with Ross his 1st year and then move to 1B full time in 2015. Sign Hart and Santiago, and call it a successful offseason.

 

rf Victorino

2b Pedroia

dh Ortiz

1b Hart

c Santana

ss XB

lf Nava

3b WMB

cf JBJ

 

OF Gomes

UT Santiago

C Ross

OF Stubbs

[Palodios]

I hear you Palodios ... what would you be willing to offer for Santana?

 

The problem is that the Guardians will want value for Sanatana as a catcher, but I'd only be willing to give value for him as a first basemen. I don't think a deal can be reached without seriously overpaying.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Marlins, Seattle and the Rockies are the three teams currently discussing Napoli beside the Red Sox. None of them should be able to outbid the Sox for his services, so Fred should sleep soundly unless one of them offers something insane.

 

I'm not sure about that. I think the Mariners would be willing to give him an extra year over the Sox.

 

Fortunately, I think Napoli is one of the few guys who values winning almost as much as he values money when he's looking at his options, so if it's Red Sox at 3/42 or Mariners at 3/45 with a $10mm option or something like that, the Sox may still have an edge.

 

But I can certainly see the Mariners outbidding the Sox in terms of dollars and years. Not because they have more, but more because the Sox are a more attractive team to play for and don't feel the need to overpay.

[marklmw]

I know this question is not for me, but I thought I would chime in. I would offer Betts, Ranuado, Carp, and Dempster for Santana and Stubbs. Santana would split time with Ross his 1st year and then move to 1B full time in 2015. Sign Hart and Santiago, and call it a successful offseason.

 

rf Victorino

2b Pedroia

dh Ortiz

1b Hart

c Santana

ss XB

lf Nava

3b WMB

cf JBJ

 

OF Gomes

UT Santiago

C Ross

OF Stubbs

 

I do not see any value in acquiring Stubbs. I like the lineup but would rather acquire Hanigan to catch and put Santana at 1B. If the Sox could pull off a deal for Santana they should but I think it more likely for them to acquire Hanigan and not Hart. I do not think Hart will come to Boston. He has 4 kids, family guy, would rather be with a team who trains in Arizona where they live.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'd rather have Satalamacchia.....he knows the staff, has proven he can play in Boston and he has improved each year he has been with us. Santana was traded away by the Dodgers who didn't think he was as good as their other young catching prospects even though none of them came close to making it to the Majors. He also hasn't been that good a hitter for the Guardians the past two years and now they are trying to fit him somewhere after being beaten out as catcher and first base. I also wouldn't try to act like a damn know it all when it comes to Dodger prospects. I live in LA and have to endure their propaganda about their over-hyped minor leaguers which Santana wasn't even that highly rated the way things turned out. You're three thousand miles away and to pretend you know as much as I do about things in my area is ridiculous. Stop it!!!!!

 

The Dodgers have done very well at over-hyping their prospects and then trading them. It has been a major part of their playbook for as long as i can remember.

 

Just to be clear, Santana was ranked as the #10 prospect overall by Baseball America the year he hit the big leagues. He also hit .268/.377/.455 last year. That OBP is elite for any position outside of maybe 1B, and is elite elite for a C.

 

Maybe stop acting like you know more than Baseball America. I know you live out there, Fred, but it doesn't mean that you're smarter than everyone here about any player who has ever put on a Dodgers jersey or one of their affiliates. And it certainly doesn't mean that Santana couldn't have progressed significantly once he was traded to the Guardians.

 

Point blank, Carlos Santana is extremely similar to Victor Martinez. Defense behind the plate is just ok, but offense for a C is elite. Offense is good enough to DH and play 1B.

 

Santana's 135 wRC+ last season ranked as #22 overall in MLB last year. His wRC+ was tied with 3 players:Adrian Beltre, Allen Craig, Giancarlo Stanton. Maybe you've heard of them? They're pretty good.

 

He was, offensively speaking, better than: Jose Bautista, Yadier Molina, Evan Longoria, Buster Posey.

 

Can we please stop undervaluing this guy already?? It's ridiculous.

Edited November 27, 2013 by SoxFanForsyth

[User Name]

I'd rather have Satalamacchia.....he knows the staff, has proven he can play in Boston and he has improved each year he has been with us. Santana was traded away by the Dodgers who didn't think he was as good as their other young catching prospects even though none of them came close to making it to the Majors. He also hasn't been that good a hitter for the Guardians the past two years and now they are trying to fit him somewhere after being beaten out as catcher and first base. I also wouldn't try to act like a damn know it all when it comes to Dodger prospects. I live in LA and have to endure their propaganda about their over-hyped minor leaguers which Santana wasn't even that highly rated the way things turned out. You're three thousand miles away and to pretend you know as much as I do about things in my area is ridiculous. Stop it!!!!!

 

Fred, 2008 called, they want their scouting report back.

 

Just like with Webster and RDLR, just because you saw a guy from "your area" a couple times doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Like in this case, when you're clearly spouting a load of bull. Also, get your own catchphrase.

[User Name]

Not to be an ass, but to say he hasn't been a good hitter the last 2 years is absurd.

 

2012 .785 ops wRC+ 121

2013 .832 ops wRC+ 135

 

Just to put that in context, his 2013 season would have been 2nd on the Sox behind Ortiz who had a 152 wRC+ with at least 300 abs.

 

Fred clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, but he's content trying to convince us that he does.

Edited November 27, 2013 by User Name?

[User Name]

Just to be clear, Santana was ranked as the #10 prospect overall by Baseball America the year he hit the big leagues. He also hit .268/.377/.455 last year. That OBP is elite for any position outside of maybe 1B, and is elite elite for a C.

 

Maybe stop acting like you know more than Baseball America. I know you live out there, Fred, but it doesn't mean that you're smarter than everyone here about any player who has ever put on a Dodgers jersey or one of their affiliates. And it certainly doesn't mean that Santana couldn't have progressed significantly once he was traded to the Guardians.

 

Point blank, Carlos Santana is extremely similar to Victor Martinez. Defense behind the plate is just ok, but offense for a C is elite. Offense is good enough to DH and play 1B.

 

Santana's 135 wRC+ last season ranked as #22 overall in MLB last year. His wRC+ was tied with 3 players:Adrian Beltre, Allen Craig, Giancarlo Stanton. Maybe you've heard of them? They're pretty good.

 

He was, offensively speaking, better than: Jose Bautista, Yadier Molina, Evan Longoria, Buster Posey.

 

Can we please stop undervaluing this guy already?? It's ridiculous.

 

So Fred, the numbers clearly don't agree with your "expert" assessment. Maybe it's because you really don't know what you're talking about? Food for thought.

Edited November 27, 2013 by User Name?

[dupree]

Im a big fan of Salty but if the Sox could pull off a deal to bring him in at C for 2014 and resign Nap to play 1B then i would be ok to deal 2 top 100 prospects. Nap could move to DH in a couple of years and Santana could move to 1B.

 

I think its crazy how some on here believe Mike Carp could be our starting 1B next year. Its ridiculous the only team that he needs to be the full time 1B for is the Astros or Marlins after that let him be was he is, just a good bench player.

[marklmw]

Im a big fan of Salty but if the Sox could pull off a deal to bring him in at C for 2014 and resign Nap to play 1B then i would be ok to deal 2 top 100 prospects. Nap could move to DH in a couple of years and Santana could move to 1B.

 

I think its crazy how some on here believe Mike Carp could be our starting 1B next year. Its ridiculous the only team that he needs to be the full time 1B for is the Astros or Marlins after that let him be was he is, just a good bench player.

I think it will take a multiple team trade for the Sox to pry Santana from Cleveland. Even if it took 4 players to get him I would do it. Especially if the Sox could manage to package Dempster in the deal ... not sure how much value Dempster has right now ... perhaps more with a NL team. Cleveland has no need at 2B so Mookie Betts would not offer much value to Cleveland but he would be a nice carrot for a number of teams. Should we loose all 4 of our FA's we will find ways to acquire players such as Santana, Hart, or Hanigan. Cleveland might not have an issue with a Lavarnway or Butler as a #2 catcher.

Edited November 27, 2013 by marklmw

[SoxFanForsyth]

Wonder if the Guardians would trade Santana for Lackey + Ranaudo + Middlebrooks?

 

Sox could re-sign Drew with the money saved on Lackey, Workman would be the #5 starter (IMO he's heaps better than Dempster). Rotation of Lester - Buchholz - Peavy - Doubront - Workman. Guardians would get a very strong young arm, an arm that would line up as their #1/#2, and a 3B potentially for the future.

 

The Red Sox have Bogaerts at 3B, with Garin Cecchini only about 1/2 of a year away if depth is needed. Plus, if the Sox can get Drew on a 3/42 deal (or something like that), he would still have plenty of trade value if the Sox wanted to dish him at the deadline. The draft pick tied to him right now hurts his value a bit, so if Cecchini is ready, you can trade Drew and slide Bogaerts to SS.

[Bellhorn04]

Wonder if the Guardians would trade Santana for Lackey + Ranaudo + Middlebrooks?

 

Sox could re-sign Drew with the money saved on Lackey

 

Yikes, that's a lot, especially since Lackey's average cost for the next 2 years is only 8.5 million.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yikes, that's a lot, especially since Lackey's average cost for the next 2 years is only 8.5 million.

 

Not mortgaging the future. Have arms in Barnes, Webster, Owens, etc all coming through the system. Workman could start as the #5 man now and I'd be comfortable with that, and obviously Dempster is still here.

 

I would say it's a pretty fair deal.

[mvp 78]

Yikes, that's a lot, especially since Lackey's average cost for the next 2 years is only 8.5 million.

 

Horrible trade. WMB and Renaudo would be more than enough.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Horrible trade. WMB and Renaudo would be more than enough.

 

How do you figure??

 

Santana's wRC+ would have been 4th best in the AL for 1B last year. It was 2nd best only to Joe Mauer for all catchers. He's on a 4 yr/$30mm contract.

 

People on this site are undervaluing Santana horribly.

[Palodios]

Wonder if the Guardians would trade Santana for Lackey + Ranaudo + Middlebrooks?

 

Sox could re-sign Drew with the money saved on Lackey, Workman would be the #5 starter (IMO he's heaps better than Dempster). Rotation of Lester - Buchholz - Peavy - Doubront - Workman. Guardians would get a very strong young arm, an arm that would line up as their #1/#2, and a 3B potentially for the future.

 

The Red Sox have Bogaerts at 3B, with Garin Cecchini only about 1/2 of a year away if depth is needed. Plus, if the Sox can get Drew on a 3/42 deal (or something like that), he would still have plenty of trade value if the Sox wanted to dish him at the deadline. The draft pick tied to him right now hurts his value a bit, so if Cecchini is ready, you can trade Drew and slide Bogaerts to SS.

 

Ofcourse they would take that deal. Lackey has to be worth some significant prospects right now -- coming off a 3.52 ERA season in a tough hitters park, going 3-1 in the playoffs, all on a 2/16 deal? I understand he has a big potential for decline, but teams do whacky things for pitching.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ofcourse they would take that deal. Lackey has to be worth some significant prospects right now -- coming off a 3.52 ERA season in a tough hitters park, going 3-1 in the playoffs, all on a 2/16 deal? I understand he has a big potential for decline, but teams do whacky things for pitching.

 

See: Lincecum 2/34.

 

The current market for pitchers is outrageous, which, given the Sox farm system, makes this the perfect time to address areas of need via trading Lackey.

[Palodios]

Sounds like the Rockies are aggressively chasing Morneau. Napoli might land right in the Red Sox's hands.

[Palodios]

See: Lincecum 2/34.

 

The current market for pitchers is outrageous, which, given the Sox farm system, makes this the perfect time to address areas of need via trading Lackey.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Selling high on Lackey seems like a not-completely-terrible idea, but he was this team's most reliable pitcher in 2013. If you can get a Will Myers type talent, I say go for it. Santana isn't that guy, IMO.