Drew replaces Iggy on Wednesday

[jung]

A lost season is like last year when the Sox started with basically the same crew that completely collapsed at the end of 2011 and then in their infinite wisdom added a nuclear warhead named Bobby V to that mixture. 2012 was truly a lost season and looked like it before opening day.

 

This will be a fun team to watch. I think it will be exasperating for those that have post season aspirations for it but fun for just about everybody. That is not a lost season to me anyway. The overarching issues on the post season front is that I really don't think more than one team from the AL East will get a WC birth if that. So if you don't finish at the top of the division or 2nd in it, I don't see another AL East team getting to the post season and I don't see the Sox finishing better than 3rd if that.

 

I do think the Yanks are going to come out of this injury thing with a death grip on last place (isn't that just terrible????). I think we finish 4th and possibly 3rd if we can get past the newly uninspired Jays (something is wrong up there beyond simple ERA and OBP). Maybe they know or are anticipating big time suspensions are on the way. Don't know but something is amiss up there that I was not expecting until I saw how that team played and looked in the recent series).

 

That leaves O's and Rays unless I am totally wrong about the Jays. I still no longer see them as getting past the Rays but they could get past the O's.

[seabeachfred]

Also one who hasn't the guts to admit he was wrong about something. I told him yesterday that his interpretation of my missive about Cherington was actual praise when he thought it was a hit job---and he still hasn't had the decency to admit that he was wrong. Of course, he could say I was a liar but that would inaugurate total war between him and I on this board. You can call me a lot of things but you sure as hell better not call me a liar.

[Big Guy]

Iggy back by mid may? SURE!

[a700hitter]

Also one who hasn't the guts to admit he was wrong about something. I told him yesterday that his interpretation of my missive about Cherington was actual praise when he thought it was a hit job---and he still hasn't had the decency to admit that he was wrong. Of course, he could say I was a liar but that would inaugurate total war between him and I on this board. You can call me a lot of things but you sure as hell better not call me a liar.

I really don't know what point he was trying to make either time. His argument was childlike. First he attributed something to me that I never said. When I pointed that out, he was insistent that that is how I feel even though I didn't say it. It was especially ridiculous since didn't even have anything to do with the discussion-- my stated preference that Iggy get his shot this year. Is there a right or wrong with regard to an issue like that? He seemed to be arguing just to argue. It was like arguing with a petulant 5 year old. He can't even get along when the team is playing well.

[SoxSport]

Iggy hit a 2R HR tonite in Pawtucket. He might have had that grounder that tied the score tonite. Drew looked slow footed on that play, which you might expect from a guy pushing 30 coming off a bad ankle break. You can't underestimate the value of defense.

 

Nice effort by Aceves tonite. Better than Dempster. But Dempster is the money, so Dempster pitches. Same old Red Sox.

 

5 relievers tonite, 4 last night. 2 losses. At this rate, bullpen burnout might come earlier this year. It's the appearances, not the innings.

[mvp 78]

Iggy hit a 2R HR tonite in Pawtucket. He might have had that grounder that tied the score tonite. Drew looked slow footed on that play, which you might expect from a guy pushing 30 coming off a bad ankle break. You can't underestimate the value of defense.

 

Nice effort by Aceves tonite. Better than Dempster. But Dempster is the money, so Dempster pitches. Same old Red Sox.

 

5 relievers tonite, 4 last night. 2 losses. At this rate, bullpen burnout might come earlier this year. It's the appearances, not the innings.

 

He would not have had that grounder. No way.

[Bellhorn04]

Iggy hit a 2R HR tonite in Pawtucket. He might have had that grounder that tied the score tonite. Drew looked slow footed on that play, which you might expect from a guy pushing 30 coming off a bad ankle break. You can't underestimate the value of defense.

 

Nice effort by Aceves tonite. Better than Dempster. But Dempster is the money, so Dempster pitches. Same old Red Sox.

 

5 relievers tonite, 4 last night. 2 losses. At this rate, bullpen burnout might come earlier this year. It's the appearances, not the innings.

 

The Orioles used their pen just as much.

[damien308]

i want iggie back !!!!!!!!!!

[Dojji]

I agree. At least for now, Drew is not endearing himself.

 

We should have cut Carp and kept Iglesias on the roster to insure ourselves against Drew happening to struggle out of the gate -- which is what is happening.

 

I do not understand why Mike Carp is currently on this roster and Jose Iglesias is not. Counting Salty's ability to cameo at 1B we're 3 deep there right now without Carp.

[User Name]

I don't understand why Carp is on the roster either, but i do know why Iglesias is down: So he can get AB's everyday. They need to find out what they have in Drew, and they can't do that AND give Iggy regular AB's. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[seabeachfred]

I agree. At least for now, Drew is not endearing himself.

 

We should have cut Carp and kept Iglesias on the roster to insure ourselves against Drew happening to struggle out of the gate -- which is what is happening.

 

I do not understand why Mike Carp is currently on this roster and Jose Iglesias is not. Counting Salty's ability to cameo at 1B we're 3 deep there right now without Carp.

 

Well Drew better start getting some hits soon. We all know he wasn't really ready to come up and start playing from the get-go since he had only 11 or so AB's after missing over three weeks of play. It wasn't his fault he was rushed but the results have shown that he needed more time at Pawtucket to get his timing down. I'd give him another week and if we don't see some hits start flying around the ball parks consider bringing up Iggy or giving Ciriaco a shot at shortstop for a spell. We can't have black holes in the lineup especially since a few of our guys have been blowing hot and cold so far.

[Dojji]

I don't understand why Carp is on the roster either, but i do know why Iglesias is down: So he can get AB's everyday. They need to find out what they have in Drew, and they can't do that AND give Iggy regular AB's. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

I would have been fine with easing Drew in by splitting time between him and Iggy for a few weeks. Drew's coming back from a concussion. There's a logic in the gentler approach.

[User Name]

I would have been fine with easing Drew in by splitting time between him and Iggy for a few weeks. Drew's coming back from a concussion. There's a logic in the gentler approach.

 

What they should have done IMO, was give him (Drew) more time in the minors. I personally don't like the idea of anything less than regular playing time for Iglesias. But that's just me.

[iortiz]

What they should have done IMO, was give him (Drew) more time in the minors. I personally don't like the idea of anything less than regular playing time for Iglesias. But that's just me.

 

I'm not iggy fan, but kid was playing very good... so I would have let him play more too and for once and for all see whether he is for real or not

[mvp 78]

I'm not iggy fan, but kid was playing very good... so I would have let him play more too and for once and for all see whether he is for real or not

 

If he can hit at AAA, he'll get a real shot.

[rorschach]

Stephen Drew has had exactly one year where he played less than 150 games before his gruesome injury. He's been generally healthy throughout his career and has always been an above average hitter for the position.

 

Stop making s*** up.

 

He played 86 games and batted .252 with 74 K's in 321 AB's in 2011, and 79 games batting .223 with 76 K's in 287 AB's in 2012.

 

To sum up, his last 2 seasons he's missed almost half and over half of each year, while striking out 150 times in 608 total at bats, and batting a cool .237. I wouldn't call that healthy throughout, and definitely not a above average hitter.

 

Oh he also has a mind blowing 2 hits and 5 K's in 16 AB's for a cool .125 BA. That must be some more of that above average hitting you keep talking about. Dude had 1 real decent year back in 08', he's licked balls or been injured since. This is not "making s*** up" either, it's right there in black and white on his career stats page.

[User Name]

He played 86 games and batted .252 with 74 K's in 321 AB's in 2011, and 79 games batting .223 with 76 K's in 287 AB's.

 

To sum up, his last 2 seasons he's missed almost half and over half of each year, while striking out 150 times in 608 total at bats, and batting a cool .237. I wouldn't call that healthy throughout, and definitely not a above average hitter.

 

Oh he also has a mind blowing 2 hits and 5 K's in 16 AB's for a cool .125 BA. That must be some more of that above average hitting you keep talking about. Dude had 1 real decent year back in 08', he's licked balls or been injured since. This is not "making s*** up" either it's right there in black and white on his career stats page.

 

Did you read the part of my post where it specifically says before the gruesome injury?

 

Also, he has a career .760 OPS. The average ML SS OPS'd .720 last season. Is that not above average for the position, which is what i stated in my post?

[rorschach]

I would have been fine with easing Drew in by splitting time between him and Iggy for a few weeks. Drew's coming back from a concussion. There's a logic in the gentler approach.

 

That's exactly what I stated in the OP, but you didn't agree back then :dunno:

[rorschach]

Did you read the part of my post where it specifically says before the gruesome injury?

 

Also, he has a career .760 OPS. The average ML SS OPS'd .720 last season. Is that not above average for the position, which is what i stated in my post?

 

Yes I did, why in gods name sign a guy, who hasn't done s*** since his injury for so much money, when he hasn't proven reliable since. Scratch that, why sign another Drew brother, for way to much money, who has only ever been "just okay" and now at 30 will be spending most of his time on the Drew-abled List made famous by his older bro.

 

Seriously, for all the talent and potential J.D. (supposedly) had all I can really recall about the majority of his career was his being injured. Not Gold Gloves or batting titles, just injured missing huge gaps of playing time, time and time again. Do you really want to take a risk for so much money on a player whose families track record has proven so crappy, especially when all indications so far show Stevie going down the same road. The warning signs were there, what was the FO thinking?

[User Name]

I don't quite understand where you're coming from. JD is not Stephen, Stephen is not JD. He was coming off the best season of his career prior to the injury, and he had never been injured for a long stretch of time before it. He was also an above-average offensive and defensive SS (stats have no bias, and they contradict you in that sense). The comparison spits in the face of logic.

 

As for "why was he signed", he was the best option available on a one-year deal. No one thought at the time that Iglesias was ready to take on an everyday role, and anyone who says they did was either delusional or flat out lying.

[rorschach]

I don't quite understand where you're coming from. JD is not Stephen, Stephen is not JD. He was coming off the best season of his career prior to the injury, and he had never been injured for a long stretch of time before it. He was also an above-average offensive and defensive SS (stats have no bias, and they contradict you in that sense). The comparison spits in the face of logic.

 

As for "why was he signed", he was the best option available on a one-year deal. No one thought at the time that Iglesias was ready to take on an everyday role, and anyone who says they did was either delusional or flat out lying.

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I really don't have any patience for you, family comparisons are extremely prevalent in baseball and football. When 1 father or older brother is really good, the younger sibling or son always comes with certain expectations. The same comparisons or bad rep also applies to players who underachieved or known for injury. It's this way in any walk of life, not just sports, I can't believe I had to explain that to you. It's called being a legacy, and that legacy can be good or bad.

 

"J.D. ain't Stephen, Stephen ain't J.D." Well no s*** Sherlock, don't be so literal it's annoying. You can take your best available option and stick it, 9 mil for a broken player is a stupid deal (Drew seen them coming apparently.) You do know what I meant by "he seen them coming", or do I have to explain that one to you as well.

[Palodios]

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I really don't have any patience for you, family comparisons are extremely prevalent in baseball and football. When 1 father or older brother is really good, the younger sibling or son always comes with certain expectations. The same comparisons or bad rep also applies to players who underachieved or known for injury. It's this way in any walk of life, not just sports, I can't believe I had to explain that to you. It's called being a legacy, and that legacy can be good or bad.

 

"J.D. ain't Stephen, Stephen ain't J.D." Well no s*** Sherlock, don't be so literal it's annoying. You can take your best available option and stick it, 9 mil for a broken player is a stupid deal (Drew seen them coming apparently.) You do know what I meant by "he seen them coming", or do I have to explain that one to you as well.

 

You've never seen a pair of brothers, where one is tough, and the other is a pussy? That's essentially what the situation is here. Stephen Drew has had exactly one major injury, and very very few minor injuries, so you have no grounds to stand on with this argument.

[kapsis21]

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I really don't have any patience for you, family comparisons are extremely prevalent in baseball and football. When 1 father or older brother is really good, the younger sibling or son always comes with certain expectations. The same comparisons or bad rep also applies to players who underachieved or known for injury. It's this way in any walk of life, not just sports, I can't believe I had to explain that to you. It's called being a legacy, and that legacy can be good or bad.

 

"J.D. ain't Stephen, Stephen ain't J.D." Well no s*** Sherlock, don't be so literal it's annoying. You can take your best available option and stick it, 9 mil for a broken player is a stupid deal (Drew seen them coming apparently.) You do know what I meant by "he seen them coming", or do I have to explain that one to you as well.

calm down ... not to pick on you but please read what you are typing....your basis of comparison is absolutely BS. did we pay more to get Drew, yes but no one knew how Iglesias was going to turn around.. lets just leave it at that shall we.

[redsoxrules]

And we still don't know if Iglesias is good enough to handle MLB pitching.

I'll take my chances with Drew .

[User Name]

Yeah pretty much. Well said.

[rorschach]

calm down ...

You're right I got a little carried away, and a lot ridiculous. That guy and his curt matter-of-fact attitude really annoys the piss out of me. I'll just ignore his pompousness from now on.

[Youk Of The Nation]

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I really don't have any patience for you, family comparisons are extremely prevalent in baseball and football. When 1 father or older brother is really good, the younger sibling or son always comes with certain expectations. The same comparisons or bad rep also applies to players who underachieved or known for injury. It's this way in any walk of life, not just sports, I can't believe I had to explain that to you. It's called being a legacy, and that legacy can be good or bad.

 

"J.D. ain't Stephen, Stephen ain't J.D." Well no s*** Sherlock, don't be so literal it's annoying. You can take your best available option and stick it, 9 mil for a broken player is a stupid deal (Drew seen them coming apparently.) You do know what I meant by "he seen them coming", or do I have to explain that one to you as well.

 

I could list literally dozens of decent great baseball players with brothers or fathers who were not decent or great players, and vice versa. Judging Stephen Drew in any way that involves the words "JD Drew" is ridiculous.

[Dojji]

I could list literally dozens of decent great baseball players with brothers or fathers who were not decent or great players, and vice versa. Judging Stephen Drew in any way that involves the words "JD Drew" is ridiculous.

 

Pretty much.

 

Just ask Josh and Jeremy Papelbon.

 

How's Jeremy Giambi doing these days for that matter? Or Jeff Weaver?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Or Pete Rose Jr. and Koby Clemens.

[User Name]

Tony Gwinn Jr.