Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[onlybereaved]

Just a honk in general.

 

lulz, and a ballwasher for the FO.

 

(jks!)

[a700hitter]

lulz, and a ballwasher for the FO.

 

(jks!)

I was jk ing too. I don't even know what a honk is.

[BSN07]

I was jk ing too. I don't even know what a honk is.

 

idk either but every time I read it I laugh

 

 

Totally making a movement from this day forward anyone considered to be an absolute FO homer/apologist be known as a "Honk" can I get this seconded please

[mvp 78]

Just a honk in general.

 

It's a term Felger uses from time to time. I find it funny as well.

[a700hitter]

idk either but every time I read it I laugh

 

 

Totally making a movement from this day forward anyone considered to be an absolute FO homer/apologist be known as a "Honk" can I get this seconded please

Seconded.

[a700hitter]

Going forward would "FO Honk" be somewhat redundant?

[Bellhorn04]

Fred, all your arguments boil down to "I'm a straight shooter so anyone who doesn't agree with me is a ballwasher for the FO." Maybe you should try reading other people's posts for once? You are the only poster on here who thinks I'm a honk for the FO, I'm not.

 

Fred likes to keep things simple. You're either a realist or you're a ballwasher. He doesn't like dealing with grey areas.

[a700hitter]

Fred likes to keep things simple. You're either a realist or you're a ballwasher. He doesn't like dealing with grey areas.

And in that way, he fits TalkSox perfectly.

[Bellhorn04]

And in that way, he fits TalkSox perfectly.

 

Other forums tend to split up along the same lines. Seems to be human nature at work. This forum is actually better than the other ones I've seen for not having everybody labelled.

[User Name]

Other forums tend to split up along the same lines. Seems to be human nature at work. This forum is actually better than the other ones I've seen for not having everybody labelled.

 

Fred is trying his best to make that happen though.

[Bellhorn04]

Fred is trying his best to make that happen though.

Yep.

[User Name]

The Red Sox should really explore the possibility of trading for Garret Jones if the Napoli thing falls through, as others have mentioned.

[BSN07]

The Red Sox should really explore the possibility of trading for Garret Jones if the Napoli thing falls through, as others have mentioned.

 

But I thought you didn't want to trade pieces for a 1B/OF because it's not a P? I mean don't get me wrong, for the right price Jones is intriguing. I just seem to remember you being a bit down on Morse and Morneau and to me it's pretty similar situations. Just wondering what changed your tune? Is it because Napoli is looking less and less certain or do you hold Jones in higher regards the Morse and Morneau?

[User Name]

But I thought you didn't want to trade pieces for a 1B/OF because it's not a P? I mean don't get me wrong, for the right price Jones is intriguing. I just seem to remember you being a bit down on Morse and Morneau and to me it's pretty similar situations. Just wondering what changed your tune? Is it because Napoli is looking less and less certain or do you hold Jones in higher regards the Morse and Morneau?

 

Cost. Because he's essentially a platoon player, he should cost much less than the other two.

[BSN07]

Cost. Because he's essentially a platoon player, he should cost much less than the other two.

 

fair nuff. So your thinking a Jones/Gomez platoon at 1B?

[Lucienbel]

The Red Sox should really explore the possibility of trading for Garret Jones if the Napoli thing falls through, as others have mentioned.

 

Agreed. At this point he'd be a decent fit. His name did come up once during the whole Hanrahan thing..... I assume the Sox know what they'd be giving back for him at the very least. Garrett Jones for the right price is one of their better options personally.

 

Edit- Cafardo is saying that discussions involving Garrett Jones during the Hanrahan trade never got far because the Pirates place high value on him. Good fit maybe but if he isn't cheap he isn't worth it. Wonder what the price on Morneau is like?

[Dojji]

May not work as well as you're hoping.

 

Gomez showed a reverse split in SSS. (Yes, I realize that means that I was wrong too, I just went back to double-check and confirm with the Jones theory, and realized I'd gotten it backwards). He may not hold up against LHP, which puts pressure on Jones to be the bona fide starter -- not what he does best.

 

What we need is a righthanded platoon bat at first base.

[Lucienbel]

Interesting. That makes Jones not seem like such a good bet then..... Better off going for a guy like Morse or Morneau if that's the case. I don't know what the trade market or market in general looks like for right handed platoon players at 1B, but I have to imagine it isn't much.

 

Edit- Maybe Morse is a good option, he could end up being that right handed middle of the order bat. Too bad he only has one year on his contract and the Nats will probably want a lot because of his numbers last year. He's another guy I can't see trading a lot for..... No reason to give up any worthwhile prospects for one year of first base. The more and more I think about this, the crappier the situation is.

[seabeachfred]

May not work as well as you're hoping.

 

Gomez showed a reverse split in SSS. (Yes, I realize that means that I was wrong too, I just went back to double-check and confirm with the Jones theory, and realized I'd gotten it backwards). He may not hold up against LHP, which puts pressure on Jones to be the bona fide starter -- not what he does best.

 

What we need is a righthanded platoon bat at first base.

 

As long a it is not Gomez!!!!!! We need a real first baseman we can count on, and one who has power, run poducing ability, and some success experience. Gomez hits on none of these. It would be a travesty if we went with him, and by a month or two we'd be looking to replace him anyway. Get a real first baseman and get one fast. If we cannot adjudicate the Napoli problem walk away from it.....finally!!!!!!!!!

[User Name]

As long a it is not Gomez!!!!!! We need a real first baseman we can count on, and one who has power, run poducing ability, and some success experience. Gomez hits on none of these. It would be a travesty if we went with him, and by a month or two we'd be looking to replace him anyway. Get a real first baseman and get one fast. If we cannot adjudicate the Napoli problem walk away from it.....finally!!!!!!!!!

 

Kinda hoping they keep him around just to spite you.

 

@Dojji: SSS much?

[Dojji]

That rebuttal would work better if I hadn't already confirmed it was a SSS. Nonetheless, it's all the data we have.

 

What we need right now is a RHH with a traditional platoon split.

[User Name]

That rebuttal would work better if I hadn't already confirmed it was a SSS. Nonetheless, it's all the data we have.

 

What we need right now is a RHH with a traditional platoon split.

 

It doesn't matter whether you mentioned it or not. It's a non-point. Your affirmation that we need a "RHH with traditional platoon split" reaffirms the notion that you actually that those 102 PA's are indicative of a trend in Gomez' stats. They're not.

[User Name]

By the way, did some digging to refute your "all data we have comment". Minorleaguecentral has available split statistics for minor leaguers.

 

In almost 1,000 PA's in MILB between '11 and '12, Gomez OPS'd .999 vs lefties, and .877 vs righties. His reverse split at the MLB level is almost certainly a statistical anomaly fueled by the SSS

 

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=450855&split=3000.

[User Name]

So you think 102 PA's at the major league level are better information than over 1,000 PA's across the last two seasons in MiLB?

[Dojji]

Didn't know about that website. Bookmarked. Thanks.

[Dojji]

So you think 102 PA's at the major league level are better information than over 1,000 PA's across the last two seasons in MiLB?

 

I was typing that out as you posted your thing from minorleaguecentral. I deleted it since you came out with better information than I had available.

[User Name]

I was typing that out as you posted your thing from minorleaguecentral. I deleted it since you came out with better information than I had available.

 

Fair enough.

 

Also, if you went ahead and checked the website, have a quick look at the advanced numbers:

 

.361 BABIP vs RHP, .263 BABIP vs LHP. That may help explain the anomaly.

[Spitball]

By the way, did some digging to refute your "all data we have comment". Minorleaguecentral has available split statistics for minor leaguers.

 

In almost 1,000 PA's in MILB between '11 and '12, Gomez OPS'd .999 vs lefties, and .877 vs righties. His reverse split at the MLB level is almost certainly a statistical anomaly fueled by the SSS

 

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=450855&split=3000.

 

Thanks for the link! I booked marked it as well.

[Dojji]

You know, I wonder if you could solve this in part by playing Big Papi at first base for 60 games and piecing the rest together. He's aged since he did that on even a semi-regular basis, but as I recall he's a moderately competent 1B, health permitting.

 

That would at least give you some flexibility to play around with the DH and other positions, and maybe work Lavarnway into the lineup.

[Spitball]

You know, I wonder if you could solve this in part by playing Big Papi at first base for 60 games and piecing the rest together. He's aged since he did that on even a semi-regular basis, but as I recall he's a moderately competent 1B, health permitting.

 

That would at least give you some flexibility to play around with the DH and other positions, and maybe work Lavarnway into the lineup.

 

I have considered posting this idea, but it just seems a little too risky considering Papi's age and lack of playing time in recent years.

 

I am on board with a Garrett Jones/Mauro Gomez platoon, though.