Red Sox 2012/2013 Offseason Thread

[reYoukilis]

But by the trading deadline our team ERA probably will be at the bottom of the league if he does most of the catching.

 

Yeah but letting him go, we wouldnt be able to take advantage of a catcher hungry league right now. I think itll be worth it in the long run.

[SoxSport]

It's a good deal if his hip holds out and he can do some catching. If his hip hinders him and he has to be DL'd, yes they would have limited their financial exposure, but they will not have a major league first baseman or a middle of the order hitter. If his hip holds up, we will be paying the market rate for him.

 

If his hip holds up, it's costing them $13mil. You just hope he doesn't have a year like last year--which would also cost them $13mil.

[Palodios]

Alex Speier updated his payroll projections for the Red Sox. They are still a whopping 17 million under the luxury tax. I bet they still have one more move in them. Marcum?

 

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/01/17/still-money-to-spend-red-sox-payroll-2013-15/

[a700hitter]

Alex Speier updated his payroll projections for the Red Sox. They are still a whopping 17 million under the luxury tax. I bet they still have one more move in them. Marcum?

 

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/01/17/still-money-to-spend-red-sox-payroll-2013-15/

A move like that would catapult them into contention IMO.

[BSN07]

Alex Speier updated his payroll projections for the Red Sox. They are still a whopping 17 million under the luxury tax. I bet they still have one more move in them. Marcum?

 

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/01/17/still-money-to-spend-red-sox-payroll-2013-15/

 

Is that including all the arb cases?

[mvp 78]

Alex Speier updated his payroll projections for the Red Sox. They are still a whopping 17 million under the luxury tax. I bet they still have one more move in them. Marcum?

 

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/01/17/still-money-to-spend-red-sox-payroll-2013-15/

 

Missed this part?

 

"(UPDATE JAN. 17: With Mike Napoli reaching a one-year, $5 million deal with the Sox, the team now has even greater flexibility for future offseasons. However, with Napoli’s deal including incentives that could push the value of his contract back to the roughly $13 million annual average to which he originally agreed — albeit for one year instead of three — the Sox’ ability to stay under the luxury tax threshold in 2013 may hinge on his health.)"

 

So if Napoli remains healthy, they aren't $17M under.

[BSN07]

Missed this part?

 

"(UPDATE JAN. 17: With Mike Napoli reaching a one-year, $5 million deal with the Sox, the team now has even greater flexibility for future offseasons. However, with Napoli’s deal including incentives that could push the value of his contract back to the roughly $13 million annual average to which he originally agreed — albeit for one year instead of three — the Sox’ ability to stay under the luxury tax threshold in 2013 may hinge on his health.)"

 

So if Napoli remains healthy, they aren't $17M under.

 

Ya that's what I thought originally. I was surprised to see 17M under the LT and didn't understand how it was possible.

 

Like I have said before, other then some minor league deals or a trade, this team is done adding. Now I believe the date in which the payroll is counted is sometime in April or May? I think closer to the TDL they could add if they wanted to without the LT worry.

[mvp 78]

Is that how it works (valued in April/May)?

 

If it's based pn total 2013 salary the what's the point in brushing up against the cap before April? Let's say the Sox are playing great in 2013, but need an additional piece to push them over the top? Without any payroll flexibility, they'd be stuck with their thumbs up their ass and certain people on here would rip them.

[SoxSport]

I don't see how they can justify that level of salary unless they make the playoffs. They are taking a big gamble that they can improve enough with all the salary they added on again, but we'll see. I think they would have improved anyways without the added salary. They were bound to given better luck with injuries and some new coaches on the field and normal FO-manager communications again.

 

Last year was a nightmarish year for that organization. They are due for a rebound. Injuries have been killing this team, and somehow that has to change. Also, somebody has to restore the winning intensity.

[BSN07]

I don't see how they can justify that level of salary unless they make the playoffs. They are taking a big gamble that they can improve enough with all the salary they added on again, but we'll see. I think they would have improved anyways without the added salary. They were bound to given better luck with injuries and some new coaches on the field and normal FO-manager communications again.

 

Last year was a nightmarish year for that organization. They are due for a rebound. Injuries have been killing this team, and somehow that has to change. Also, somebody has to restore the winning intensity.

 

They spent money to keep the team "interesting" to some degree while it transitions.They are up near the threshold this season because of the need to bump the AAV to keep deals short. They have tons of money coming off the books over the next couple seasons. I don't see what they need to justify?

 

If they had spent the money on the big ticket items it would have blocked up what they are trying to do. If they had pocketed the money Fred and a700 would have been at the head of a siege unit storming down Yawkey way to get their moniez back:lol:

[Palodios]

Missed this part?

 

"(UPDATE JAN. 17: With Mike Napoli reaching a one-year, $5 million deal with the Sox, the team now has even greater flexibility for future offseasons. However, with Napoli’s deal including incentives that could push the value of his contract back to the roughly $13 million annual average to which he originally agreed — albeit for one year instead of three — the Sox’ ability to stay under the luxury tax threshold in 2013 may hinge on his health.)"

 

So if Napoli remains healthy, they aren't $17M under.

 

I've answered this same exact question from you in another thread.

 

Even if Napoli stays healthy, we're looking at 9 million. The Red Sox have a number of trade pieces that could be catapaulted to pull them under. Ellsbury at 1/9 million, Salty at 1/4.5, Drew at 1/10 million, several expensive bullpen arms. Dempster and Lackey may end up tradeable midseason. So could Gomes.

 

There is a significant amount of flexibility on the roster.

[Station 13]

I've answered this same exact question from you in another thread.

 

Even if Napoli stays healthy, we're looking at 9 million. The Red Sox have a number of trade pieces that could be catapaulted to pull them under. Ellsbury at 1/9 million, Salty at 1/4.5, Drew at 1/10 million, several expensive bullpen arms. Dempster and Lackey may end up tradeable midseason. So could Gomes.

 

There is a significant amount of flexibility on the roster.

 

Well from a talent stand point, no. There's too many fringe guys.

[User Name]

He's not talking about talent, he's talking about money. And his retort about flexibility isn't applicable either, since MVP was talking about actual payroll figures, which is not even close to being the same thing as flexibility created through legitimate trades and/or salary dumps.

[BSN07]

Well from a talent stand point, no. There's too many fringe guys.

 

Yes, but those fringe guys are probably easy to move if the team comes up with a better options. So they are still "flexible" so to speak.

[Behindenemylines]

I think the major off season moves have been completed. If BC does anything else it will be depth SP and a lefty hitting 1B - OF. I think there plan is to compete with the roster in place, but it blows up you are going to start seeing the promotion of some of the Sox youth.

[redsoxfan3]

Missed this part?

 

"(UPDATE JAN. 17: With Mike Napoli reaching a one-year, $5 million deal with the Sox, the team now has even greater flexibility for future offseasons. However, with Napoli’s deal including incentives that could push the value of his contract back to the roughly $13 million annual average to which he originally agreed — albeit for one year instead of three — the Sox’ ability to stay under the luxury tax threshold in 2013 may hinge on his health.)"

 

So if Napoli remains healthy, they aren't $17M under.

 

We may not be $17 million under, but that still gives us about $9 million under, guaranteed without any other moves, if Napoli receives all of that $13 million. I do not think we are entirely done making moves. We have a lot of bullpen depth and one too many catchers (unless Lavarnway is the odd man out in AAA). At this point, I would not be surprised if we try to trade Salty and a reliever for a LH 1B/OF. I also would not be surprised if we try to add another starter. Maybe we can use that $9 million to sign one of Lohse, Marcum, etc. That would be a great addition. I could see us be completely done making moves, but at the same time, there are still some potential moves, especially with at least 9 million to work with. I also know that the FO has said that they do not mind going over the LT by a small margin if we need to.

[Palodios]

So I know this probably was completely missed... but the Red Sox signed Breslow to a two year, 6 million dollar deal.

 

Breslow was going to be a free agent going into the 2014 season, so they bought out a year of his free agency. They probably figured it is always good to hold onto a consistent left handed reliever.

[a700hitter]

So I know this probably was completely missed... but the Red Sox signed Breslow to a two year, 6 million dollar deal.

 

Breslow was going to be a free agent going into the 2014 season, so they bought out a year of his free agency. They probably figured it is always good to hold onto a consistent left handed reliever.

I assume that this means Hill will be going elsewhere.

[a700hitter]

With the Red Sox still seeking a left-handed hitting first baseman/left fielder, Tom Singer of MLB.com wonders if the Pirates will make another run at Jose Iglesias, as the starting point of a bigger deal involving Garrett Jones (Twitter links).

[dupree]

I dont think the red sox trade Iggy for the All Star Break... i wished they would make this trade for Garrett Jones if the reports are true. But i think they want to have one more look at him in our farm system. But if Xander smashed the ball and plays good defense during the WBC i could see Iggy out of here. I think he hasis more value as a trade chip than our SS of the future. He may crush the ball in AAA and be another Pedoria story who knows either way it will be nice to watch.

[Porcupine penis]

 

Garrett Jones? Pass.

[User Name]

What don't you like about Garret Jones? Is it the career .852 OPS versus righties? Is it the fact that he's cost-controlled? Is it the positional flexibility?

[BSN07]

What don't you like about Garret Jones? Is it the career .852 OPS versus righties? Is it the fact that he's cost-controlled? Is it the positional flexibility?

 

He doesn't hit enough bombz in MLB da Show

[Dojji]

I do Iglesias for Jones in a heartbeat. Iglesias is a project, and Jones hugely improves our bench and should have a few good years left.

[BSN07]

I do Iglesias for Jones in a heartbeat. Iglesias is a project, and Jones hugely improves our bench and should have a few good years left.

 

I was hoping to see Iggy develop with the Sox, but with Drew on the team and Xander waiting in the wings I wouldn't be against that trade.

 

Maybe it was discussed prior during the Hanrahan trades but the Sox had to resolve the Napoli deal, get all the arb players signed and wait to see how much Jones was getting?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Iggy + 1-2 for Jones?

 

Um. Yes x1000.

 

And it's not close.

[mvp 78]

Do it! Spend Iggy plus 2 prospects for Jones! He'd totally bring us from 85 to 87 wins!

[Dojji]

Do it! Spend Iggy plus 2 prospects for Jones! He'd totally bring us from 85 to 87 wins!

 

... which could easily make the difference between a shot and no shot.

[a700hitter]

Garrett Jones is a major league player, and not a bad one. He does some things exceptionally well. At this point, there are valid concerns that Iggy will never be a full time starting SS. Bogaerts is rapidly closing Iggy's window of opportunity.

[wyo-sox]

Where would we use Jones primarily. I know really nothing about him?