5/2 WMB vs AAA's

[kapsis21]

And just like that' date=' everyone's huffing the retard glue again.[/quote']

 

lol. but you seem as if its okay to loose 2 out of 3 to the As.

[SCM33]

And just like that' date=' everyone's huffing the retard glue again.[/quote']

 

....and just like that J_E is back, making irresponsible offensive remarks, and trying to get himself banned AGAIN for trolling/baiting.

[Laser Show]

Win 7 out of 10 games. Still not good enough.

 

Win 10 out of 10 and we'll still bitch and complain. We're a fickle sort

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

True but it's not as bad. We lost to the A's. Whatever, we just don't have our stuff now. The sky isn't falling.

[a700hitter]

True but it's not as bad. We lost to the A's. Whatever' date=' we just don't have our stuff now. The sky isn't falling.[/quote']There is no sky to fall. The Sox are just not a very good team right now. There are too many missing pieces. There is no quality depth to fill in for the missing pieces. Soft schedule or not, we could be in for a very rough stretch.

[kapsis21]

check how the atlanta played phillies tonight.. freaking awesome

[Station 13]

check how the atlanta played phillies tonight.. freaking awesome

 

Chipper with the walk off. Just Beautiful as the previous swing went foul just barely.

[kapsis21]

Chipper with the walk off. Just Beautiful as the previous swing went foul just barely.

 

yepp.. and the fact they were down 6-0 came back to take the lead went down 13-8 and then to tie and win.. awesome just awesome.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

moneyball was amazing.

[mvp 78]

Sorry. Wouldn't give them to you. Too many pink hats there as is.

 

Ouch. Guess you're a much better fan than me... How many MONTHS have you lived in Boston for again?

 

[Bellhorn04]

There is no sky to fall. The Sox are just not a very good team right now. There are too many missing pieces. There is no quality depth to fill in for the missing pieces. Soft schedule or not' date=' we could be in for a very rough stretch.[/quote']

 

This series was so typical of the Red Sox Sept 11-2012 edition. They score 11 runs in the first game and then muster a total of 5 in the last 2. 16 runs in 3 games = 5.33 per game. A good runs-per-game average is maintained, the net result is s***.

[BornToRun]

Jesus Christ you people are reactionary. Bard and Doubie are kids, they're gonna struggle at times but the early returns have been beyond expectations. The A's have superb pitching so it isn't that surprising that our bats went cold for a couple nights. Also, I fail to see how we are in such dire straits because when I look at the three competitive AL East teams I see this;

 

New York:

 

Great lineup and bullpen

A rotation that has 1 great pitcher, 1 solid starter, 2 question marks, and an absolute piece of garbage

a rotation that also lost its biggest addition for the season

 

Tampa Bay:

 

Great all around pitching staff but an offense that is anemic and just lost its number 1 hitter for up to 2 months

 

Boston (i.e Us)

 

Rotation anchored by two top quality pitchers, a possible third if he gets his act together, and 2 solid young arms who've been very impressive thru the first month

 

A bullpen that started off horribly but is slowly regaining its bearings that can only go up from where they were with reinforcements on the way.

 

A lineup that despite losing the MVP runner up, their 142 million dollar left fielder, and having their MVP caliber first baseman struggle is still piling up the runs with the two injured players on the road to recovery and the 1st baseman too good not to hit like a superstar when he gets it together.

 

So tell me, how exactly are we in such bad shape as some of you are claiming?

[Laser Show]

I can't find anything this early, but do you guys have any idea what AGon's defensive metrics look like for 2012?

[a700hitter]

Jesus Christ you people are reactionary. Bard and Doubie are kids, they're gonna struggle at times but the early returns have been beyond expectations. The A's have superb pitching so it isn't that surprising that our bats went cold for a couple nights. Also, I fail to see how we are in such dire straits because when I look at the three competitive AL East teams I see this;

 

New York:

 

Great lineup and bullpen

A rotation that has 1 great pitcher, 1 solid starter, 2 question marks, and an absolute piece of garbage

a rotation that also lost its biggest addition for the season

 

Tampa Bay:

 

Great all around pitching staff but an offense that is anemic and just lost its number 1 hitter for up to 2 months

 

Boston (i.e Us)

 

Rotation anchored by two top quality pitchers, a possible third if he gets his act together, and 2 solid young arms who've been very impressive thru the first month

 

A bullpen that started off horribly but is slowly regaining its bearings that can only go up from where they were with reinforcements on the way.

 

A lineup that despite losing the MVP runner up, their 142 million dollar left fielder, and having their MVP caliber first baseman struggle is still piling up the runs with the two injured players on the road to recovery and the 1st baseman too good not to hit like a superstar when he gets it together.

 

So tell me, how exactly are we in such bad shape as some of you are claiming?

BTR, I love your enthusiasm. Other teams do have their problems. I agree with that too. Here's the one part of your post that I can't find a way to accept:

 

A bullpen that started off horribly but is slowly regaining its bearings that can only go up from where they were with reinforcements on the way.

The pen stinks. There are no reliable arms out there and as a whole there is a very low talent level in the pen. They have had some better results lately, because they have played some lousy teams. Mortensen is not a good pitcher. The A's are a lousy offense. We had 14 k's the night before. Mortensen's 6 k's are not evidence that he is good. It is evidence that Bard was really horrible last night getting 1 k against these bums.

 

What reinforcements are on the way? I am not seeing any. Are you talking about waiting for Bailey in August or Dice k in June. I don't think Dice k will help our pitching very much. He wasn't very good for more than 2 years before his injury. In the case of Bailey, I don't think we have the luxury to wait until August. I see our bull pen as the big flaw of this team, and I have felt that way since Spring Training. The bullpen is fixable, but they are doing nothing.

[User Name]

Tampa Bay:

 

Great all around pitching staff but an offense that is anemic and just lost its number 1 hitter for up to 2 months

 

 

Tampa's bullpen has been just as bad as the Sox', with the exception of Fernando Rodney, who isn't very good. It also has a very low talent level, and has sustained an important injury.

 

However, no one talks about how s***** that BP is.

[Bellhorn04]

Mortensen had a very nice outing. Maybe he will bolster the pen a bit.

[Station 13]

Mortensen had a very nice outing. Maybe he will bolster the pen a bit.

 

I doubt it. His cup of coffee was decaf.

[a700hitter]

Mortensen had a very nice outing. Maybe he will bolster the pen a bit.

The A's stink. Mortensen may get another trip on the Pawtucket - Boston shuttle, but that's about it. He's not a very good.

[Station 13]

The A's stink. Mortensen may get another trip on the Pawtucket - Boston shuttle' date=' but that's about it. He's not a very good.[/quote']

 

Throwing 88MPH junk isn't going to cut it against a real team.

[FredLynn]

So tell me, how exactly are we in such bad shape as some of you are claiming?

 

Sure.

For starters, the Rays are in first place at 17-9 and we are in LAST place at 11-13. Thats LAST PLACE. After a brief flash in the pan winning streak we have reverted to our old form of beating the snot out of lousy pitching and being shut down by good pitching so that our runs per game looks great, but our W-L is worthy of being in last place. More importantly, there are only three teams in all of baseball with a team ERA over 5; the Twins, Milwaukee, and............US! The Twins are the worst team in all of baseball, and the Brewers are not much better. We are in the same class pitching-wise as those two teams: lower 10% in all of MLB. We have a bullpen that stinks, we have Clay Buchholtz, who has shown us nothing in nearly a year, and we have two inconsistent SP that are young and will be making mistakes that cost us games this year. And what's our record when we don't score at least 4 runs? Its 1-11. Thats because our pitching cannot compete with other ML teams.

I don't see any reason to be overly optimistic about this team right now. We will probably hover around .500 for most of the season. We just don't have the talent to do it this year. I wish it were different, but wishing for it does not make it so.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, Oakland can't score runs at all, except for the 15 they managed to put up against our other pitchers in 2.7 games.

[FredLynn]

Throwing 88MPH junk isn't going to cut it against a real team.

 

Not necessarily true. If you can keep the ball down and have good movement you can be successful throwing that kind of stuff. Okajima had success with it along with many other pitchers. Admittedly there is less room for error that way, but it can work.

[BornToRun]

Tampa's bullpen has been just as bad as the Sox', with the exception of Fernando Rodney, who isn't very good. It also has a very low talent level, and has sustained an important injury.

 

However, no one talks about how s***** that BP is.

 

See, we're in even better shape than I thought.

[kapsis21]

Jesus Christ you people are reactionary. Bard and Doubie are kids, they're gonna struggle at times but the early returns have been beyond expectations. The A's have superb pitching so it isn't that surprising that our bats went cold for a couple nights. Also, I fail to see how we are in such dire straits because when I look at the three competitive AL East teams I see this;

 

New York:

 

Great lineup and bullpen

A rotation that has 1 great pitcher, 1 solid starter, 2 question marks, and an absolute piece of garbage

a rotation that also lost its biggest addition for the season

 

Tampa Bay:

 

Great all around pitching staff but an offense that is anemic and just lost its number 1 hitter for up to 2 months

 

Boston (i.e Us)

 

Rotation anchored by two top quality pitchers, a possible third if he gets his act together, and 2 solid young arms who've been very impressive thru the first month

 

A bullpen that started off horribly but is slowly regaining its bearings that can only go up from where they were with reinforcements on the way.

 

A lineup that despite losing the MVP runner up, their 142 million dollar left fielder, and having their MVP caliber first baseman struggle is still piling up the runs with the two injured players on the road to recovery and the 1st baseman too good not to hit like a superstar when he gets it together.

 

So tell me, how exactly are we in such bad shape as some of you are claiming?

 

i hear you all the way but when you are at home playing one of the lousiest teams, it begs the question. why arent we able to take 2 out of 3 from them. i know we are injurred but as you mentioned we have really good starting core of pitchers yet the run support vanishes 2 games out of 3. as belhorn04 suggested. we score 12 in 1 game and 2 and 3 on the other so overall it looks like we scored a lot but end up loosing 2 out of 3. we won against Chicago and Minnesota but they are one of the worst teams this year nothing to boast about that.

Now we play baltimore at home. with Lester Cook and Buch lets see how this series goes.

their pitching staff is really turning it around. and i for one dont think its a total fluke they have some quality arms in their rotation.

and Bluejays take 2 out of 3 from texas and that too by outhitting them..

[Bellhorn04]

So tell me' date=' how exactly are we in such bad shape as some of you are claiming?[/u']

 

Sure.

For starters, the Rays are in first place at 17-9 and we are in LAST place at 11-13. Thats LAST PLACE. After a brief flash in the pan winning streak we have reverted to our old form of beating the snot out of lousy pitching and being shut down by good pitching so that our runs per game looks great, but our W-L is worthy of being in last place. More importantly, there are only three teams in all of baseball with a team ERA over 5; the Twins, Milwaukee, and............US! The Twins are the worst team in all of baseball, and the Brewers are not much better. We are in the same class pitching-wise as those two teams: lower 10% in all of MLB. We have a bullpen that stinks, we have Clay Buchholtz, who has shown us nothing in nearly a year, and we have two inconsistent SP that are young and will be making mistakes that cost us games this year. And what's our record when we don't score at least 4 runs? Its 1-11. Thats because our pitching cannot compete with other ML teams.

I don't see any reason to be overly optimistic about this team right now. We will probably hover around .500 for most of the season. We just don't have the talent to do it this year. I wish it were different, but wishing for it does not make it so.

 

The time for the youth movement has arrived. Sometime in the near future they need to trade Salty, maybe Youk as well, bring up Lavarnway and bring Varitek in to work with him.

[FredLynn]

Yeah' date=' Oakland can't score runs at all, except for the 15 they managed to put up against our other pitchers in 2.7 games.[/quote']

 

Everyone can score runs against a pitching staff like ours. We have zero shutdown consistent pitchers on our staff...NONE.

[Bellhorn04]

Everyone can score runs against a pitching staff like ours. We have zero shutdown consistent pitchers on our staff...NONE.

 

That's why I'm saying Mortensen did at least pitch better than anyone else against the A's.

[FredLynn]

See' date=' we're in even better shape than I thought.[/quote']

 

We are second to last in the AL in pitching and last in the ALE in ranking. Only the Twins, the worst team in baseball, has pitching worse than we do-and its not much worse than ours is (0.22 rpg). Even the ROYALS have better pitching than we do. Significantly better (0.77rpg), and they are the THIRD worst pitching team in the AL.

Whats the reason for all the optimism? I just don't see it, not for the short term. Long term, yes. We could be very very good in a year or two if the FO plays its cards right. Not this year though.

[iortiz]

BTR' date=' I love your enthusiasm. Other teams do have their problems. I agree with that too[/quote']

 

Yup, the thing is that our question marks are bigger than other teams'. We said that over and over again. The margin of error was very thin, we said. We have lost key players very soon plus some key players are not performing as we all expected. BP experiments cost us games. This Bard Experiment is costing us games. Buch is not performing as all expected. RIGHT NOW, our pitching staff is horrible. This is a very unbalanced team. Sure, it still early but this team has a lot to work to do if we want to turn around things. The coming schedule is key. The second half of the season is likely tougher, so we need to win as many games we can before our injured players comeback.

[FredLynn]

That's why I'm saying Mortensen did at least pitch better than anyone else against the A's.

 

He did fine. I don't care if he throws at 50mph if he gets guys out. I saw him keeping the ball down and not throwing meatballs in the center of the plate. I would not send him to Pawtucket right now, not until he fails. They already sent Tazawa down again and in six innings pitched so far his ERA is..............ZERO! Smart move by our FO...again.