Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[italstallianion]

The sleeper on that trade is Ian Patrick Kennedy.

 

 

 

Yes, but only because when we heard that Ian Kennedy was in the trade, everyone rolled over and went back to bed.

[Dojji]

Yes' date=' but only because when we heard that Ian Kennedy was in the trade, everyone rolled over and went back to bed.[/quote']

 

Nice.

[Dipre]

According to a team source, the Red Sox have had internal discussions about extending their organizational budget to potentially allow for another offer for free agent outfielder Jason Bay. The discussed proposal to Bay would be in the vicinity four-year, $60 million originally offered the outfielder by the Red Sox.

 

It was thought that the signing of pitcher John Lackey to a five-year, $82.5 million deal, along with the acquisition of outfielder Mike Cameron, would make make such a strategy by the Sox unlikely, with the Sox too close to the $170 million luxury tax threshold to make a run at free agent the likes of Bay. The New York Mets are thought to be the team currently most interested in the services of Bay, who is seeking a five-year deal.

 

 

Red Sox talking about Bay return.

 

Don't know what to make of this, but if they brought back Bay that would be a whole new ballgame regarding the balance of power in the AL East, specially if they can muster up a decend CIF.

[TheMino007]

Bay in LF, Cameron in CF, Drew in RF? Ellsbury gets traded? Cameron won't be on the bench.

[ORS]

Yes' date=' but only because when we heard that Ian Kennedy was in the trade, everyone rolled over and went back to bed.[/quote']

I want to take this post out to dinner and try and get into its pants.

[Emmz]

@ both posts.

[Teddyballgame10]

Bay in LF' date=' Cameron in CF, Drew in RF? Ellsbury gets traded? Cameron won't be on the bench.[/quote']

 

That's the problem. IMO at this point in their careers Ellsbury is a far better player then Cameron. I still really dont want to trade Ellsbury I think he is going to be a great player. Bay is going to feel like a jackass if he winds up going to the Mets for an extra 5 mill. I dont think it is financially possible for us to get him and Lackey though. Even if we do there is no chance we get Mauer next year. Maybe we should of waited in the Cameron deal?

[Dipre]

That's the problem. IMO at this point in their careers Ellsbury is a far better player then Cameron. I still really dont want to trade Ellsbury I think he is going to be a great player. Bay is going to feel like a jackass if he winds up going to the Mets for an extra 5 mill. I dont think it is financially possible for us to get him and Lackey though. Even if we do there is no chance we get Mauer next year. Maybe we should of waited in the Cameron deal?

 

Remember that in this scenario, either Ellsbury stays and gets plenty of AB's as a super-sub, or he gets traded for a far superior bat.

 

And besides, i highly doubt they get Bay/Holliday unless Ellsbury is already in the package for a big bat. and besides, as their value ratings would indicate, Ellsbury is not a better player than Cameron right now, he should be in the near future, but he's not right now.

[JimEdHOF2009]

As we stand now..here is our likely lineup and rotation for 2010.

 

vs. RHP (lines vs. RHP for each batter)

 

Ellsbury .346/.417/.763

Pedroia .373/.466/.839

Martinez .388/.478/.866

Youkilis .404/.560/.964

Drew .396/.536/.932

Ortiz .346/.481/.828

Scutaro .376/.406/.782

Hermida .368/.418/.786

Kotchman .350/.410/.760

 

vs. LHP

 

Ellsbury .374/.411/.785

Pedroia .366/.399/.765

Martinez .365/ .483/ .847

Youkilis .435/.518/.953

Cameron .420/.534/.954

Drew .381/.482/.863

Lowell .363/.503/.867

Scutaro .389/.421/.809

Varitek .336/.471/.807 ( Vtek should catch when facing lefties..move Vic to DH)

 

Now the lineups are unspectacular..but very solid.. I do expect the Sox to add one of A-Gone/Holliday/Bay/or Cabrera before Spring Training.. OK..maybe I HOPE!

 

1. Lester

* W-L 15-8

* ERA 3.41

* K 225

* Walks 64

* WHIP 1.23

 

2. Beckett

 

# 17-6

# ERA 3.86

# K 199

# Walks 55

# WHIP 1.19

 

3. Lackey

 

# 17-6

# ERA 3.86

# K 199

# Walks 55

# WHIP 1.19

 

Matsuzaka

 

 

 

* W-L 4-6

* ERA 5.76

* K 54

* Walks 30

* WHIP 1.87

 

5. Buchholz

 

* W-L 7-4

* ERA 4.21

* K 68

* Walks 36

* WHIP 1.38

 

BULLPEN

 

CL Papelbon

#1 Bard

#2 Okajima

#3 Ramirez

#4 DelCarmen

#5 Wakefield

#6 Bonser

 

All in all.. a team capable of winning 90-95 games IMO.... Maybe a bit more as I think Dice-K and Buchholz will have CAREER years while the BIG 3 maintain their level of excellence. The bullpen is ridiculously good and I see Bonser and Wakefield beinf very useful. I still have a hard time believing Buchholz will not be packaged in a deal bringing Adrian Gonzalez to Red Sox... it makes TOO much sense for Hoyer to move NOW and trade Gonzo while he is still signed relatively cheap.. His value goes down every year that passes... SD will never be able to afford him in 2012.... he will be dealt to Sox.. I firmly believe this. SD will have their #1 pitcher and a few nice prospects thought I doubt Theo parts with Clay and Westy in same deal. I see a deal of Clay/Kalish/Anderson/Bowden/Redick/Iglesias getting it done.. Watch.. it will happen.

[Dipre]

It makes all the sense in the world for Hoyer to hang on to Hoyer to hang on to A-Gon until the TDL when he'll likely have a bidding war for his services.

[TheMino007]

we need a big bat, Ortiz is not the anwser in the cleanup spot, or even the 5 spot. The Sox need more offense because Ortiz isn't what he used to be. Everyone is saying he won't slump like he did last year and he was on a pace for 48 home runs etc. if he played like he did from June on all year. Well guess what Ortiz probably won't go on a tear like that this year, but he won't be as bad in the first two months as he was last year. Like I said, he's a 6 hitter at best in this lineup if we land the guys we need.

[Dipre]

we need a big bat' date=' Ortiz is not the anwser in the cleanup spot, or even the 5 spot. The Sox need more offense because Ortiz isn't what he used to be. Everyone is saying he won't slump like he did last year and he was on a pace for 48 home runs etc. if he played like he did from June on all year. Well guess what Ortiz probably won't go on a tear like that this year, but he won't be as bad in the first two months as he was last year. Like I said, he's a 6 hitter at best in this lineup if we land the guys we need.[/quote']

 

Right now Ortiz doesn't have to hit from the four or five spot. We have Kevin Youkilis and JD Drew for that. We do need a big bat, but under no circumstances do the Sox need Papi to hit in the middle of the lineup.

[riverside sluggers]

Yea that ship has sailed since May/June of this past season. Unless a trade occurs, V-Mart/Youk in the 3/4 spots

[Dipre]

Yea that ship has sailed since May/June of this past season. Unless a trade occurs' date=' V-Mart/Youk in the 3/4 spots[/quote']

 

Drew and his .522 SLG% can man the five spot.

[JimEdHOF2009]

It makes all the sense in the world for Hoyer to hang on to Hoyer to hang on to A-Gon until the TDL when he'll likely have a bidding war for his services.

 

I disagree... Hoyer will get substantially LESS at the tread deadline as the slugger who had been under contract for 2 full years will now only be controlled for 1 season and 2 months.. This is common knowledge. How many teams will be able to afford A-Gone in 2012 when he may just become the highest paid player in baseball?? Not many. And the teams who cannot-- are not mortgaging their future in a 5 for 1 type deal.. the type of deal Hoyer can get NOW from the Red Sox. Even if there is a bidding war at the trade deadline, there will be no 5 TOP prospect kind of deals going for a guy a team may lose to Free Agency after the 2011 season. Hoyer moves now.. or he loses 1 or2 top prospects. It is going to happen before ST.. watch.

[diony]

I disagree... Hoyer will get substantially LESS at the tread deadline as the slugger who had been under contract for 2 full years will now only be controlled for 1 season and 2 months.. This is common knowledge. How many team will be able to afford A-Gone in 2012 when he may just become the highest paid player in baseball?? Not many. And the teams who cannot are not mortgaging their future in a 5 for 1 type deal.. the type of deal Hoyer can get NOW from the Red Sox. Even if there is a bidding war at the trade deadline' date=' there will be no 5 TOP prospect kind of deals going for a guy a team may lose to Free Agency after the 2011 season. Hoyer moves now.. or he loses 1 or2 top prospects. It is going to happen before ST.. watch.[/quote']

 

He's not THAT good. Plus the Yankees already have a 1B.

[Dipre]

I disagree... Hoyer will get substantially LESS at the tread deadline as the slugger who had been under contract for 2 full years will now only be controlled for 1 season and 2 months.. This is common knowledge. How many teams will be able to afford A-Gone in 2012 when he may just become the highest paid player in baseball?? Not many. And the teams who cannot-- are not mortgaging their future in a 5 for 1 type deal.. the type of deal Hoyer can get NOW from the Red Sox. Even if there is a bidding war at the trade deadline' date=' there will be no 5 TOP prospect kind of deals going for a guy a team may lose to Free Agency after the 2011 season. Hoyer moves now.. or he loses 1 or2 top prospects. It is going to happen before ST.. watch.[/quote']

 

Albert Pujols.

 

And besides, looking at it from an objective point of view, at the TDL there will be many more teams looking for a big bat, so no matter how good the Sox' offer is now, if there are many teams bidding for his services, the package for him can only improve. If the Sox want A-Gon, they'll have to offer a monster package.

 

He's not THAT good. Plus the Yankees already have a 1B.

 

Albert Pujols will become the best paid player in baseball whether the Yankees have a first baseman or not. Stop the subtle trolling.

[diony]

Albert Pujols will become the best paid player in baseball whether the Yankees have a first baseman or not. Stop the subtle trolling.

That's not a sure thing.

[Dipre]

That's not a sure thing.

 

He's the best player in baseball, and he's going to get paid like it. If the Cards won't pony up, someone else will.

[diony]

He's the best player in baseball' date=' and he's going to get paid like it. If the Cards won't pony up, someone else will.[/quote']

 

Name a team not named the Yankees that will sign a 32 year old 1B to an AAV of +$27.5m, for 8-10 years. I'm not saying is impossible, but is not a sure thing as you make it sound.

[Dipre]

Name a team not named the Yankees that will sign a 32 year old 1B to an AAV of +$27.5m' date=' for 8-10 years. I'm not saying is impossible, but is not a sure thing as you make it sound.[/quote']

 

Red Sox, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers, New York Mets. With the Cards themselves having a shot if Pujols is willing to backload the contract.

 

7 years, 216 million dollars at the least.

 

It is as much of a sure thing as i make it sound. Pujols is the best player in baseball, and he's going to get paid like it.

[Dojji]

If Pujols leaves St. Louis. he *will* be a New York Met. I called it on Santana, and I'm calling it on Pujols.

[Dipre]

If Pujols leaves St. Louis. he *will* be a New York Met. I called it on Santana' date=' and I'm calling it on Pujols.[/quote']

 

It depends. The Angels seem like a good destination as well. DH spot. Lots of money. Aggresive owner.

[Dojji]

But a lot of older outfielders and a lot of tied up money. I think the Mets are in a much better position, and the Angels have Kendry Morales.

[Dipre]

But a lot of older outfielders and a lot of tied up money. I think the Mets are in a much better position' date=' and the Angels have Kendry Morales.[/quote']

 

By the time Pujols is a Free Agent, the only OF under contract will be Torii Hunter. Besides, you don't think the Angels readily move Morales to DH to make room for Pujols?

[Lester82]

Name a team not named the Yankees that will sign a 32 year old 1B to an AAV of +$27.5m' date=' for 8-10 years. I'm not saying is impossible, but is not a sure thing as you make it sound.[/quote']

 

Oh brother.

[JimEdHOF2009]

He's not THAT good. Plus the Yankees already have a 1B.

 

Really? He's not that good? When you adjust for Park factors...he trails only Albert Pujols in OPS.... yeah, he's not that good. Here's a clue.. he is better than Tex... sorry bud..the numbers don't lie. Tex has half of his games and 85% of his at bats shooting at that Cracker-Jack RF at Yankee Stadium.....with a jet stream funneling out to right-center. Don't even try it son.

[Rodney Harrison]

Red Sox, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers, New York Mets. With the Cards themselves having a shot if Pujols is willing to backload the contract.

 

7 years, 216 million dollars at the least.

 

It is as much of a sure thing as i make it sound. Pujols is the best player in baseball, and he's going to get paid like it.

 

Take the Dodgers off that list. With the McCourts' divorce going on, the Dodgers don't figure to have any money to spend. The fact that they didn't offer arbitration to any of their free agents speaks volumes.

[jacksonianmarch]

Really? He's not that good? When you adjust for Park factors...he trails only Albert Pujols in OPS.... yeah' date=' he's not that good. Here's a clue.. he is better than Tex... sorry bud..the numbers don't lie. Tex has half of his games and 85% of his at bats shooting at that Cracker-Jack RF at Yankee Stadium.....with a jet stream funneling out to right-center. Don't even try it son.[/quote']

 

Gonzalez has had one great season, dont go spoogin in your shorts just yet. Tex has been great for years. Just because AGon's great 2009 may have surpassed Tex's doesnt mean he's the better player

[Dipre]

Take the Dodgers off that list. With the McCourts' divorce going on' date=' the Dodgers don't figure to have any money to spend. The fact that they didn't offer arbitration to any of their free agents speaks volumes.[/quote']

 

Pujols isn't a FA 'till '12. By that time, the Dodgers will probably be on an all-out spending spree again.