Dodgers or Padres, who gets Manny?

[Quinny]

Imagine what are rotation would be like with Peavy.....

[AirPantapas]

I'd do Manny to the Dodgers for 1B james Loney and 3B Adam Laroche and a prospect.

 

 

Also I think if we do trade Manny the the season will depend on Wily Mo Pena and he has progressed from last season.

[rician blast]

I'd do Manny to the Dodgers for 1B james Loney and 3B Adam Laroche and a prospect.

 

 

Also I think if we do trade Manny the the season will depend on Wily Mo Pena and he has progressed from last season.

 

WMP would become a focal point if Manny goes and LF is Pena's to man.

[Cocos Disciples]

I will say this...if we get Broxton, Billingsley and Loney/Kemp, which is the idea scneario IMO in any Manny to Dodgers trade, this team will be very good in 2008. Schilling and Wake will be gone but: Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon, Billingsley, FA. Thats a real good rotation, if everything pans out. The offense would be pretty poor this year, but if we get Loney, he'd play 1st, Youk at 3rd, Pedroia at 2nd, Lugo at SS, an outfield of Pena, Coco and Drew, and Papi. Not a bad offense, definitely in the upper half of the AL. We would also have our closer for years to come in Jonathan Broxton.

 

If we get Peavy and Gonzalez, as is the latest "proposal" on ESPN.com's Rumor Central, we would have the best rotation in baseball this year, almost without a doubt. Schilling, Peavy, Matsuzaka, Beckett and Papelbon...that would get us into the playoffs without Manny. Gonzalez is a guy whose name I heard floating around last off-season as a possible first baseman. He is 24, and last year he posted a .304/24/82 campaign with a

.862 OPS (higher than Adam Dunn). He would play 1st and quite possibly bat cleanup. He is no Manny, I know, but who knows, he could keep developing and post numbers that will make us forget Manny.

 

I do NOT want to trade Manny, but those are the two options if we do (it seems), and I would not hate either of them.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think Billingsley will be available. Here's the thing, the dodgers have only been speculated to be interested while the giants and padres have been in talks already. I dont think the dodgers are looking at Manny as a viable option, just because they already have tons of value in those young kids in the OF. Plus, they need one big pitcher, and Billingsley projects as an ace. I dont think they'd deal a potential ace of the staff, something they sorely need, for a 35 yr old OFer.

[Cocos Disciples]

A 35 year old outfielder is what you call someone like Bernie Williams (He's a little older I know). Used to be good, sucks now. Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters in baseball. He hasn't really shown signs of decline at all...he's always an MVP candidate. He led the AL in OBP and was 2nd in OPS. 5th in BB, 4th in SLG, 8th in HR and BA.

 

But of course he isn't worth a couple prospects.

[jacksonianmarch]

A 35 year old outfielder is what you call someone like Bernie Williams (He's a little older I know). Used to be good, sucks now. Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters in baseball. He hasn't really shown signs of decline at all...he's always an MVP candidate. He led the AL in OBP and was 2nd in OPS. 5th in BB, 4th in SLG, 8th in HR and BA.

 

But of course he isn't worth a couple prospects.

 

You arent talking prospects now. You are talking elite prospects/solid rookies. Billingsley already made a pretty good debut in LA. He has overpowering stuff on a team that needs a front line pitcher. This isnt like Detroit throwing the yankees a bone with prospects for Sheff because they are loaded with young pitching. This is a team of 3's that sorely need an ace, and anything short of an ace in return would not pry Billingsley away.

[Cocos Disciples]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6226820

[Bosoxwest]

Billingsley's not walking through that door people!

 

Seriously. I agree with JM here, a front-line starter who's going to pitch for league-minimum for a few years doesn't get included in the package. They have the up-and-coming bats to give them enough of an edge in that crap division without Manny, simply by keeping Billingsley and Broxton. If they do the deal (and IMO I think they're only in the picture to raise the price for SD or SF+) Loney/Laroche is the centerpiece.

 

To be honest, if the Sox could get Loney and Laroche I'd prefer that to a deal centering around Linebrink. I know we need the bullpen help, but relief arms are such fussy things. When you're trading a talent like Manny you want to get as much of a sure thing(s) as possible.

[TGov]

I doubt the Pads will give up Peavy but I wouldnt mind Linebrink, but with the Dodgers they have a lot of younger good player who they can throw in a deal... so Im thinking Dodgers, hey they did lose Drew to the Sox, hopefully... but I heard that the Padres are top runners for Manny, I jsut don't want him on an American Leage Team...

 

The only problem I have with losing Manny is his bat and who the hell is going to replace his clean-up spot?!? thats what i really want know...

 

and I also heard maybe Manny to Seattle for Sexson or Beltre...

[Bosoxwest]

and I also heard maybe Manny to Seattle for Sexson or Beltre...

 

Ugh. I mean, just, ugh. Ugh.

[CrespoBlows]

Jon Lester is still on this team, BTW.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jon Lester is still on this team' date=' BTW.[/quote']

 

he is also fighting cancer. I am a very superstitious man, and I think counting on him right now when he is fighting for his life breeds bad karma. This transcends baseball, I just want the guy to live a long and happy life first.

[AirPantapas]

If we got Andy Laroche and James Loney in 2008 we would have a f***in nasty team, so much young talent

 

Ellisbury

Pedrioa

Ortiz

Pena

Drew

Laroche

Loney

Korattas

SS

 

Plus Mike Lowell can be traded this year and youk next year.

[Beckett95]

Only way id make a deal with SD is if Peavy were in it, and according to Edes he wont be

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/12/padres_insist_p.html

[Anuj09]

If we got Andy Laroche and James Loney in 2008 we would have a f***in nasty team, so much young talent

 

Ellisbury

Pedrioa

Ortiz

Pena

Drew

Laroche

Loney

Korattas

SS

 

Plus Mike Lowell can be traded this year and youk next year.

 

not to mention that we will have a young rotation full of talent

Lester 24

Papelbon 28

Matsuzaka 28

Beckett 28

Bowden/Buchholtz 22/ 24

[ANiMAL]

I doubt the Pads will give up Peavy but I wouldnt mind Linebrink, but with the Dodgers they have a lot of younger good player who they can throw in a deal... so Im thinking Dodgers, hey they did lose Drew to the Sox, hopefully... but I heard that the Padres are top runners for Manny, I jsut don't want him on an American Leage Team...

 

The only problem I have with losing Manny is his bat and who the hell is going to replace his clean-up spot?!? thats what i really want know...

 

and I also heard maybe Manny to Seattle for Sexson or Beltre...

 

 

I just want someone to protect ortiz's bat and ill be happy.... Sexton or Beltre would make me happy

[kreinbihl34]

Sexton or Beltre can't protect me. I rather have Drew and Pena any day over those bums.

[Cocos Disciples]

I would take Sexson or Beltre...but not for Manny.

[Beckett95]

doubt the mariners are still in the running after signing Guillen

[ThreeIfBaerga]

Unless Peavy comes back, i don't see a deal with the Pads happening. Linebrink strikes me as your everyday Petco special, who had two really good years but really isn't much special. Adrian Gonzalez is interestin but not enough to trade manny for. if he is traded, i hope it's to the dodgers for ML ready players or at least players who would need just a little AAA seasoning. And i don't like loney as much as some might, he had a .401 BABIP in AAA this year.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Unless Peavy comes back' date=' i don't see a deal with the Pads happening. Linebrink strikes me as your everyday Petco special, who had two really good years but really isn't much special. Adrian Gonzalez is interestin but not enough to trade manny for. if he is traded, i hope it's to the dodgers for ML ready players or at least players who would need just a little AAA seasoning. And i don't like loney as much as some might, he had a .401 BABIP in AAA this year.[/quote']

 

Scott Linebrink has had more than two good years. Nonetheless he is not worth Manny Ramirez. I think the Red Sox need one key component (either a top player or a top prospect) plus some other pieces to fill out a trade for Manny Ramirez. Whether its Jake Peavy, Chad Billingsley, Matt Cain, or Ervin Santana.....they must have that key component to give this trade any sense. Otherwise you keep him.

[a700hitter]

My first choice is that he not be traded, but it looks like a virtual certainty that he will be traded. My first choice of trade would be to get Peavy and pick up Bonds as a FA. My second choice of trade would be Scott Shields and Juan Rivera. Third choice is the Dodgers and I am not crazy about getting a bunch of unproven youngsters. Broxton looks good, but he could be just a hard thrower who is not as good as Beckett.

 

EDit: Today's Herald mentions the Red Sox pursuit of Broxton and Toby Hall of the Dodgers. I would hope that substantially more than that would be involved.

[Beckett95]

Toby Hall as the main piece in a Manny trade

 

there better be more

[jacksonianmarch]

Unless Peavy comes back' date=' i don't see a deal with the Pads happening. Linebrink strikes me as your everyday Petco special, who had two really good years but really isn't much special. Adrian Gonzalez is interestin but not enough to trade manny for. if he is traded, i hope it's to the dodgers for ML ready players or at least players who would need just a little AAA seasoning. And i don't like loney as much as some might, he had a .401 BABIP in AAA this year.[/quote']

 

I LOVE YOUR NAME! I think a dark horse is going to win this fight. We shall see.

[BSN07]

Latest news has Penny, Loney and Laroche in a deal for Manny. Not a bad package, in anypackage we either have to get Broxton/Billingsly/Penny, after that Id like for them to sub Kemp for either Laroche or Loney, only because they play 1B and 3rd, and we have Youk to play one of them.

 

Penny/Kemp/Loney

Penny/Kemp/Laroche

Broxton/Kemp/Loney

Broxton/ Kemp/Laroche

Billingsly/Kemp/Loney

Billingsly/Kemp/Laroche

 

I think Kemp has to be a player that comes back in a trade, a power hitting CF, that can play any of the OF positions would be nice. Any combo of the above I would go for.

[ebouvier]

Latest news has Penny, Loney and Laroche in a deal for Manny. Not a bad package, in anypackage we either have to get Broxton/Billingsly/Penny, after that Id like for them to sub Kemp for either Laroche or Loney, only because they play 1B and 3rd, and we have Youk to play one of them.

 

Penny/Kemp/Loney

Penny/Kemp/Laroche

Broxton/Kemp/Loney

Broxton/ Kemp/Laroche

Billingsly/Kemp/Loney

Billingsly/Kemp/Laroche

 

I think Kemp has to be a player that comes back in a trade, a power hitting CF, that can play any of the OF positions would be nice. Any combo of the above I would go for.

 

Alright. Lets say these are the names in play. How would you rank them. It's obvious from your post Kemp is the #1. Seems to me Kemp, Broxton, Laroche, Billingsley Loney, Penny would be a good order. Just looking to see if there is consensus as to who are the better players in play here.

[BSN07]

1. Kemp

2. Broxton

3. Loney/Billingsley

4. Penny/Laroche

 

That's what I would rank them.

[ebouvier]

1. Kemp

2. Broxton

3. Loney/Billingsley

4. Penny/Laroche

 

That's what I would rank them.

 

Just curious why Loney over Laroche?

[mar_022]

While i agree kemp may be better in the long run, id rank broxton higher solely because he is much more important to the team as a closer. My favorite package would be kemp, broxton, loney or laroche (i dont know enough to judge here, although loney has been highly touted defensively, i heard a GM/manager say that hes the best defensive 1B in the NL)