cp176
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Oh i got it - a trick question. when I say that a pitcher who had a total of 2500 innings and an era over 4.5 wasn't all that very good, you have an ACE up your sleeve. hmmm-
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It troubles me that they couldn't just come out and say what most already know.
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As much as i want to see this Grissom kid do really well, it is a trade that I never would have made. I'm giving the front office credit for just being fed up with paying for Sale while he has been unable to play. If that was the rationale, then to me it makes sense. Trying to justify it as a anything but makes none. they cut bait - i'm going with that. Bringing in an untried glove to play second regardless of the potential for any kind of serviceable pitcher just seems so foolish.
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Hey - you see - right there- clears everything up. Nolan Ryan has set this great debate to rest - A pitcher's win loss record is meaningless! lol
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I'm not sure that even a vintage Sale would push us over the top but it would at least give me some reason to be interested.
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I can't say that I'm not enjoying this conversation and i'm not looking for any type of validation when it comes to the way I might judge an athlete's talent. I think that it is obvious that you need to use as much info statistically for sure that you can get to judge or compare talent. I don't tend to focus on the outliers, although I know that they exist, to prove some point. Better players tend to have more positive statistics of all kinds then poorer players. I like better players.lol
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Might make a difference where you chose to take his temp I guess.
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I knew that I shouldn't have done this. I like my way of looking at and evaluating athletic talent too much to change I guess.
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i think that if you are going to make a worthwhile evaluation of any athlete in any game you better access all the available information about that athlete that you can get your hands on.
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Am i on fairly safe ground if I suggest that pitchers with similar stats to the ones that you listed tend to win more games than pitchers with poorer stats?
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it was a very hypothetical question based on a very young untested second baseman as opposed to that guy - vintage Chris Sale. Knowing that there is anyone who would go with the first option tells me that we don't tend to operate on the same page much of the time. i agree with you on this one.
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Oh i forgot to say that no stat really stands alone I guess. How about this - better players tend to have better stats. Wins and losses are still stats no matter their significance to stat, metric, analytical metric manipulators. Better pitchers could subsequently have better stats which might equate to more wins than losses? Right or wrong it is what i'm gong with. Note my choice of words have been carefully chosen to keep the hounds from nipping at my ass.
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Wouldn't it be nice to know lets say for arguments sake, his innings pitched total was 235 instead of 184. Might have been entirely different. I knew someone would rise to the bait and prove that there really is no place and old schooler can hide.
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Not me i guess. I think that I could find a good singles hitting second baseman who can field the ball. I think that we might already have one or two of those guys just kind of hanging around. I would love to have that guy who might be one of the best left handed pitchers of all time taking that ball to the mound with him. Unlikely scenarios in both cases I guess but that would be my preference and I wouldn't care at all about age or years of service time.
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I really do hope that most baseball fans realize the importance of looking at an athlete's production from as many directions as possible.
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In the case of a pitcher with this profile, the wins would take care of themselves. But for arguments sake, i'm pretty sure that two of our more voluminous posters can dig up pitchers with stat lines similar to what I have mentioned, who just couldn't seem to get the wins.lol
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If they both have good years, who would you rather have playing for you?
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It's arguments like this that actually make looking any stat in combination with others as being significant. I like pitchers who win a lot of games and have low earned run averages to go along with lots of innings pitched with any type of fastball that is 94mph +. Does that make me just another old schooler who doesn't get it?
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yes it will
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One "realistic view" for this season is that Chris Sale is pitching for someone else. When he hits 97 with that fastball, he is unhittable. I hope very much that he can stay healthy because when he is healthy, he is one of the best ever. I don't care what uniform he wears. I just want to watch him pitch.
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absolutely
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If John Henry put this team up for sale, which I doubt he does but you never know, it will make no difference what the pitching landscape looks like. His team would sell as quickly as property in Florida has been selling. Here today gone tomorrow.
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I agree that the "potential" to be a better defensive team than last year does exist.
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i get the attempt to be at least a little optimistic, but I'm not buying that the defense looks significantly better at the outset. The only upgrade for certain will be at short if he can stay on the field.
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The defense this year may at some point prove to better than what we saw last year but I'd be very surprised if it becomes what we think of as good. If Story stays healthy, it should at least be better at short. We all hope that it will be better for sure. Kind of a low bar to hope over when you think of last year.