Bellhorn04

Nice win indeed.

Do you see this as a possibility at the trade deadline this year?

And who exactly do you think we'll have to give up?

Hanley.

It's not a couple of months - it's 2.33 years of control.

Let's go back to the debate about the Porcello extension. Many of us, myself included, argued that 20 million a year was reasonable, in light of the ever spiraling cost of good starting pitching. Now we have Buchholz on a deal that is absolute peanuts compared to the Porcello extension. And, with two team options, it provides a lot of incentive to the player to keep producing. It was a great piece of work by Theo. Why would we be in such a hurry to hand such a hugely favorable deal, in an area of desperate need, off to someone else instead of using it ourselves?

David Ortiz is your first baseman today, folks.

Such as?

All depends what you call happiness, I guess. I'm sure their young fans are happy and the older ones like sniffing the playoffs for a change. In the big picture those are two of the most frustrated franchises in sports.

He could also be healthy as a horse the next few years. Nobody knows. Buchholz's past injuries have been weird, but not the kind that suggest major issues with his arm. I think what it is is that he's a flake and people don't trust him.

It's already ugly. This will help make it stay ugly next year.

Yeah, he's been hot and cold, I know. But he's a talent and he's not that old. If you want to put together a list of the pitchers who have been consistent aces for a long time, it's a pretty short list, and an extremely expensive one.

Personally I find it kind of hilarious that so many fans of the team with the worst starting pitching in the league can get so excited about trading away the one starter who has been good. It's the same kind of delusional thinking that led Ben to put together the 2015 rotation the way he did.

Dealing Buchholz can't fail to make us better. Just look at the magic we performed swapping Lester and Lackey for Porcello and Kelly. Good starting pitching is so easy to replace.

So continue to suck in 2016 while we build for a better tomorrow. Yee-haw.

The offense has been producing for several weeks now. Betts, Holt and Bogaerts have become a formidable top of the order. Papi has heated up.

I'm strongly for keeping him. And to me, anyone who advocates dealing him has to show how we would be a better team in 2016 by doing so.

What it comes down to now is that we've got two guys in the rotation with ERA's of 6. If Porcello could somehow turn it around and Masterson could be replaced we'd have a real shot.

That's one more aspect of the fiasco.

Keep in mind this is on a night where Ogando is also unavailable, and the starting pitcher is likely to go 5 innings at best. I'm not sure who to blame for all this, but the entire management seems to be in disarray.

Wow, just wow - is this the most mismanaged team in history? WHY JUNICHI TAZAWA DIDN’T PITCH IN FRIDAY’S 12-8 LOSS TO ASTROS 07.04.15 at 12:44 am ET By Ryan Hannable Red Sox reliever Junichi Tazawa has been used in 36 of the 82 games this season, by far the most on the team and tied for 11th-most in the American League. After not appearing in a game since June 28 and the Red Sox being in a tie game in both the eighth and 10th innings, it was quite a surprise not to see Tazawa used in a game the Red Sox fell 12-8 to the Astros. Following the game it was unveiled why. “He needed the series off in Toronto given how much the work load was in Tampa Bay He threw a bullpen earlier today. After the bullpen he was deemed OK and yet advised not be be used tonight — to not get him warmed up or hot twice in one day,” manager John Farrell said. “He will be available for tomorrow, but that was what the plan laid out to get on the mound today, but not be available tonight. Otherwise he would be in the eighth or the tenth, either of those situations.”

Miley 4.53 Kelly 5.67 Porcello 6.08 Masterson 6.14

You assumed I was talking about Porcello, but I was merely trying to make the point that a 4 ERA is an average #3, which is a mathematical fact.

The average starter in the AL this year has an ERA of 4.03. The average guy is in the middle of the rotation, the #3. Simple math says a 4 ERA currently equates to a #3 starter, doesn't it?

We have to score against a guy named Bo Schultz.