Red Sox sign Jake Bauers

[JoeBrady]

20 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He thinks that because we didnt want to bring Renfroe back

No one wanted Renfroe back.  He might have had an attitude of some kind.  From 2019-2024, he played for SD, TB, RS, Mil, LA, Cincy and KC.  I couldn't believe how cheap we got him, but I'm guessing that there was a reason.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

No one wanted Renfroe back.  He might have had an attitude of some kind.  From 2019-2024, he played for SD, TB, RS, Mil, LA, Cincy and KC.  I couldn't believe how cheap we got him, but I'm guessing that there was a reason.

Yup.

We all want(ed) a 30 HR/ 98 RBI guy, but it was never going to be him.

That's too deep for Red to comprehend.

[JoeBrady]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'd count Schwarber or Alonso as one, but it would be hard to trade for them.

I wouldn't trade for him, but I'd bet that DD would trade Schwarber.  He needs an IF, maybe two, a RH OF w power, a setup man, a good #2 catcher, and probably another RP.

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I wouldn't trade for him, but I'd bet that DD would trade Schwarber.  He needs an IF, maybe two, a RH OF w power, a setup man, a good #2 catcher, and probably another RP.

It would likely be too big a package to get Schwarber or Alonso, but I was asked who I thought was "elite."

I would kick the tires on DLC and Abrams despite the D issues.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

That "upgrade" to Bauers is not as significant

That's been my mantra all off-season.  I hope Bauers works out, but this feels like a modest overall improvement.

[UtahSox]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I think some fans dream that a new owner would be spending $300-400M.  More than likely, a new owner would be spending less.

No they wouldn’t… as it would probably cost 10b to buy FSG out. It would be a consortium with deeeeeeep pockets. It would take reinvestment. And I fully believe roster would be part of reinvestment.

[UtahSox]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I realize DH is a cheaper position to upgrade, but I thought we were okay at DH, especially with Mead and Anthony as partial of full DH options.

I also think we could have had a platoon or two options that could combine for .800.

That "upgrade" to Bauers is not as significant as one at SS from Story/Arias to DLC, Abrams or even Lopez or Neto. (No Pena due to one year of control, but he'd be one, if we could keep Arias to get him.)

Yeah It was a lot more clear for me to think of Mead at DH/ backup LF to Roman vs everyday 2nd baseman. And it gave us options for 2b in free agency. Brandon Lowe 4 yr 80? Or Bauers 4 yr 58?

[a700hitter]

9 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Yup, similar in some ways.  I took a look at Panda, and all I could see was someone whose OPS+ went from 155 to 123 to 116 to 111.  Add to that 14 HRs/season in the previous three years, not really a glove, and in terrible condition.

Do remember the people predicting the marketing opportunities for stuffed Pandas and Panda heads!🤣

[southpaw777]

3 hours ago, UtahSox said:

No they wouldn’t… as it would probably cost 10b to buy FSG out. It would be a consortium with deeeeeeep pockets. It would take reinvestment. And I fully believe roster would be part of reinvestment.

Red Sox are worth 5.25-5.5B. The whole FSG wouldn’t be for sale, (I wouldn’t think), just the Red Sox the Globe and NESN. I’m sure he’d keep his soccer and racing and add something else…. If I were Henry I’d sell and buy an expansion team and pocket all the money like he wants to. Like the Rays owner did when they came into the league. 

[UtahSox]

6 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

Red Sox are worth 5.25-5.5B. The whole FSG wouldn’t be for sale, (I wouldn’t think), just the Red Sox the Globe and NESN. I’m sure he’d keep his soccer and racing and add something else…. If I were Henry I’d sell and buy an expansion team and pocket all the money like he wants to. Like the Rays owner did when they came into the league. 

Teams sell for a premium above their “worth”. Red Sox and Fenway are considered separate entities.

Historical data indicates team would sell 25%-40% premium. Let’s be conservative say they sell for 6.5b,

Fenway 1.5b-2b, and doubt FSG wants to keep its NESN/ business if getting out of Boston sports scene. 
80% of NESN at 2-2.5b 

its 10b investment.

[NHNative]

1 hour ago, UtahSox said:

Teams sell for a premium above their “worth”. Red Sox and Fenway are considered separate entities.

Historical data indicates team would sell 25%-40% premium. Let’s be conservative say they sell for 6.5b,

Fenway 1.5b-2b, and doubt FSG wants to keep its NESN/ business if getting out of Boston sports scene. 
80% of NESN at 2-2.5b 

its 10b investment.

Is there word that this is considered?

[notin]

14 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I wouldn't trade for him, but I'd bet that DD would trade Schwarber.  He needs an IF, maybe two, a RH OF w power, a setup man, a good #2 catcher, and probably another RP.

I think he can all those supplementary pieces without dealing Schwarber.

Not even sure they need an INF.  Maybe CF/RF help makes more sense.  Theyre actually a good landing spot for Duran (whom Dombrowski drafted).  

[notin]

13 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

That's been my mantra all off-season.  I hope Bauers works out, but this feels like a modest overall improvement.

Mead is a bigger upgrade…

[notin]

9 hours ago, southpaw777 said:

Red Sox are worth 5.25-5.5B. The whole FSG wouldn’t be for sale, (I wouldn’t think), just the Red Sox the Globe and NESN. I’m sure he’d keep his soccer and racing and add something else…. If I were Henry I’d sell and buy an expansion team and pocket all the money like he wants to. Like the Rays owner did when they came into the league. 

It’s a really tough argument to go from “the Sox are worth 5.25-5.5B” to “if I were Henry, I’d sell and buy an expansion team.”

 That the league has no plans to expand notwithstanding, if his sole goal is making money, how long until he is getting the same money from an expansion team as he is getting from Boston?  You cannot argue the team is doing well and follow it up with some Great Unknown Plan and sell it as making sense/cents for Henry.

And a new owner is far from guaranteed to spend more, and most assuredly unwilling to spend to the levels many Sox fans want.  Sure, many want to “take that chance.”  Until it doesn’t pan out, anyway…

[southpaw777]

48 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s a really tough argument to go from “the Sox are worth 5.25-5.5B” to “if I were Henry, I’d sell and buy an expansion team.”

 That the league has no plans to expand notwithstanding, if his sole goal is making money, how long until he is getting the same money from an expansion team as he is getting from Boston?  You cannot argue the team is doing well and follow it up with some Great Unknown Plan and sell it as making sense/cents for Henry.

And a new owner is far from guaranteed to spend more, and most assuredly unwilling to spend to the levels many Sox fans want.  Sure, many want to “take that chance.”  Until it doesn’t pan out, anyway…

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