The Definitive Case For the Red Sox to Trade Jarren Duran

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, L J said:

I totally agree that it's time to move on from Duran, even if the return is meager. That reality is on Breslow.  The same holds true for a number of other players. It's time to go with the adage," take what you can get".

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[Alex Mayes]

35 minutes ago, L J said:

I totally agree that it's time to move on from Duran, even if the return is meager. That reality is on Breslow.  The same holds true for a number of other players. It's time to go with the adage," take what you can get".

Welcome to Talk Sox!

I agree with you, take whatever you can get for him at this point. I do like the idea of packaging him with either Gray or Chapman though to up a return even more. 
 

The Phillies need starter and outfield help. Gray would fit that rotation well. The Padres have been sniffing around Chapman and need help in the outfield too. The question then becomes what are either Dombrowski or Preller willing to part with that helps the Red Sox. 

[moonslav59]

Get the best you can get for Duran, Gray & IKF. 

Chapman has a year left, and that should up his value way higher than BTV gives him. Contreras is aging, but aging well. He has 2 more years, as does Whitlock. These three should be shopped but are NOT in the "trade for the best offer- no matter what it is" category.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 hours ago, L J said:

I totally agree that it's time to move on from Duran, even if the return is meager. That reality is on Breslow.  The same holds true for a number of other players. It's time to go with the adage," take what you can get".

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[L J]

Other than Contreras I don't see anybody in the infield that I would lose sleep over seeing traded, and that includes Mayer. Of course he is one that could flourish in a new environment, but there are other middle infielders in the farm system. The hype that surrounded the "Big Three" for so long has dulled the senses of some.

[mvp 78]

47 minutes ago, L J said:

Other than Contreras I don't see anybody in the infield that I would lose sleep over seeing traded, and that includes Mayer. Of course he is one that could flourish in a new environment, but there are other middle infielders in the farm system. The hype that surrounded the "Big Three" for so long has dulled the senses of some.

I was up for trading Mayer in prior offseasons due to his injury history. He's been healthy this year, but his bat just hasn't developed the way we had hoped. 

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I was up for trading Mayer in prior offseasons due to his injury history. He's been healthy this year, but his bat just hasn't developed the way we had hoped. 

BTV still has Mayer valued at $38M (5th highest.)

Would you trade him now?

(I would for the right return, despite our great need for infielders not playing 1B.)

[mvp 78]

52 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

BTV still has Mayer valued at $38M (5th highest.)

Would you trade him now?

(I would for the right return, despite our great need for infielders not playing 1B.)

Yes, I'd trade Mayer, but I think his stock has to be lower than ever. 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yes, I'd trade Mayer, but I think his stock has to be lower than ever. 

I agree, and it's significantly lower than BTV's take.

He's a good defender, but we need offense.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I agree, and it's significantly lower than BTV's take.

He's a good defender, but we need offense.

The defense has been fine? 

-2 DRS at SS

-1 OAA at SS

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

BTV still has Mayer valued at $38M (5th highest.)

Would you trade him now?

(I would for the right return, despite our great need for infielders not playing 1B.)

If MLB FO’s think he’s a +38 send him immediately. 

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

If MLB FO’s think he’s a +38 send him immediately. 

I seriously doubt any do.

The next questions are:

1. "Who do we have better than him?"

2. "Is his trade value now worth more than his (speculative) upside value to us later?"

#1 answer: I doubt we add 3 non-1B infielders by opening day 2027, so that has to be part of the equation: Durbin, Romy, Mayer, Story, Monasterio, Seigler, Eaton, KC, Cheng and prospect Arias. We will also need 2-3 utility and infield depth players on the 2027 roster.

#2 answer: Sox management might already know his current trade value, but the upside value to us is unknown. Even if we add two major infielders, would you rather have the third and 4th ones be Durbin/Romy with Monasterio as the depth of Mayer fit in their somewhere?

(Note: one of the two infielders added would have to be a SS, since Durbin & Romy are not SSs.)

[notin]

57 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

If MLB FO’s think he’s a +38 send him immediately. 

After 312 career at bats and at 23 years old?

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

After 312 career at bats and at 23 years old?

If we do trade Mayer, and he does well elsewhere, will this board refrain from blaming Brez?

LMAO!

[notin]

24 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If we do trade Mayer, and he does well elsewhere, will this board refrain from blaming Brez?

LMAO!

Yes and they should.  

It’s still Breslow’s call to trade Mayer and he probably doesn’t know this forum exists, let alone care what we say.  And he certainly doesn’t want our advice…

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

The defense has been fine? 

-2 DRS at SS

-1 OAA at SS

Only 132 innings at shortstop.  Hard to exceed league average in runs and outs with 75% less innings…

[vegasbob]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Yes and they should.  

It’s still Breslow’s call to trade Mayer and he probably doesn’t know this forum exists, let alone care what we say.  And he certainly doesn’t want our advice…

Brez may not want our advice but he is well aware of us. the Face of the RS Nation.

He may not  care either but in the long run the noise will chase him down the Pike

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, vegasbob said:

Brez may not want our advice but he is well aware of us. the Face of the RS Nation.

He may not  care either but in the long run the noise will chase him down the Pike

Making others really wanting to replace him.

[vegasbob]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Making others really wanting to replace him.

The Nation comes with the job like a bear on your back

[notin]

15 hours ago, vegasbob said:

Brez may not want our advice but he is well aware of us. the Face of the RS Nation.

He may not  care either but in the long run the noise will chase him down the Pike

Us as small portion of a few hundred thousand Sox fans? Sure.  He’s aware the team has fans.

Us as contributors to Talksox.com?  Not a chance…

[UtahSox]

17 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

If we do trade Mayer, and he does well elsewhere, will this board refrain from blaming Brez?

LMAO!

I mean it depends on who he gets in return. If he got a proven bat, then you’d hear no such things from me. But if it’s Durbin for Harrison, or Dustin May for James Tibbs. Then yes I might still b*tch about Breslow. 

[UtahSox]

15 hours ago, vegasbob said:

Brez may not want our advice but he is well aware of us. the Face of the RS Nation.

He may not  care either but in the long run the noise will chase him down the Pike

Lol that would be funny if someone from org actually followed along here. Highly doubt it. I do know of college football coaches who had people monitor the 24/7 site for their team religiously. So never say never. 

[notin]

10 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

I mean it depends on who he gets in return. If he got a proven bat, then you’d hear no such things from me. But if it’s Durbin for Harrison, or Dustin May for James Tibbs. Then yes I might still b*tch about Breslow. 

LOL. No it doesn’t.

We had people complaining about giving up Chase Meidroth and Braden Montgomery (after one game no less), and we traded them for a Cy Young runner up.

 

 

 

[Old Red]

23 minutes ago, notin said:

LOL. No it doesn’t.

We had people complaining about giving up Chase Meidroth and Braden Montgomery (after one game no less), and we traded them for a Cy Young runner up.

 

 

 

A CY runner up last yes, but the here, and now he’s imitating Frail Sale after just 1 year of a heavy workload. Who couldn’t see that coming?🤔

[notin]

17 minutes ago, Old Red said:

A CY runner up last yes, but the here, and now he’s imitating Frail Sale after just 1 year of a heavy workload. Who couldn’t see that coming?🤔

Was it a bad trade or a good trade?

Also it’s a but early to write Crochet off for the next 3 seasons due to a lat strain…

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Was it a bad trade or a good trade?

Also it’s a but early to write Crochet off for the next 3 seasons due to a lat strain…

Who’s writing him off? I’m talking about the here, and now.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Who’s writing him off? I’m talking about the here, and now.

You went out of your way to compare him to Sale and his injuries, which cost Sale nearly 4 seasons of his career.  You were specifically comparing them as injured players and did so in a conversation about trading prospects/young players that had NOTHING TO DO with pitching injuries or Chris Sale…

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

You went out of your way to compare him to Sale and his injuries, which cost Sale nearly 4 seasons of his career.  You were specifically comparing them as injured players…

Huh? Huh? Huh? Went out of my way? Exaggerating some, because the last time I looked Crochet was on the IL, and has been for some time now, so I didn’t have to go to far out of my way. Here, and now he’s injured. They both came from the WS, and both had TJ, so lot to compare there .🤭

[notin]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Huh? Huh? Huh? Went out of my way? Exaggerating some, because the last time I looked Crochet was on the IL, and has been for some time now, so I didn’t have to go to far out of my way. Here, and now he’s injured.🤭

1. You clearly don’t read your own posts.  I suppose I shouldn’t blame you; I feel dumber and get into stupid arguments when I read them.

2. The entire point was about trading away prospects that pan out - does the return make it acceptable?  Utah thought so, but I have had back and forth about how the Sox shouldn’t have traded Meidroth and Montgomery.  We got Garret Crochet!! Of course we should have!! You don’t let a pitcher like that get away because you don’t want to trade Chase Meidroth!  That was the point.

Not sure why comparing Crochet to Sale due to injuries was a factor.  And yes, WE ALL KNEW USING CROCHET THAT MANY INNINGS WAS RISKY! There were posts about his IP workload all throughout last year, and possibly even in spring training….

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

1. You clearly don’t read your own posts.  I suppose I shouldn’t blame you; I feel dumber and get into stupid arguments when I read them.

2. The entire point was about trading away prospects that pan out - does the return make it acceptable?  Utah thought so, but I have had back and forth about how the Sox shouldn’t have traded Meidroth and Montgomery.  We got Garret Crochet!! Of course we should have!! You don’t let a pitcher like that get away because you don’t want to trade Chase Meidroth!  That was the point.

Not sure why comparing Crochet to Sale due to injuries was a factor.  And yes, WE ALL KNEW USING CROCHET THAT MANY INNINGS WAS RISKY! There were posts about his IP workload all throughout last year, and possibly even in spring training….

WWE has HHH, and TS has NNN. Point being that the jury is still out on Crochet. Last year is gone, and in the books, but this is a brand new year even for the WS.👋