Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[moonslav59]

53 minutes ago, notin said:

But there’s no point in putting up with a league-worst defensive 3b while the much easier 1b is being manned by stopgap players…

That is basically the underlying point being made, and we "put up with it" for years too long.

The idea that the worst defensive 1Bman in recent memory was "blocking" 1B was an absurd point, and back then Casas had trade value or could have DH'd.

Story is now going on year two playing SS while being a clear negative on D. It's arguable we have someone better, so at least there is a case to be made on why he's still there, but I'd try Mayer at SS.

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Story is now going on year two playing SS while being a clear negative on D.

DRS = 0

OAA = -1

FRV = -1

I'm not concerned about his defense, if he reverts back to his 2025 hitting.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

DRS = 0

OAA = -1

FRV = -1

I'm not concerned about his defense, if he reverts back to his 2025 hitting.

Maybe I could have worded it better, but his numbers since 2025:

-7 DRS

-11 OAA

For a SS, these numbers call for replacement.

He was fine on defense before.

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

DRS = 0

OAA = -1

FRV = -1

I'm not concerned about his defense, if he reverts back to his 2025 hitting.

Defense leaguewide must really stink if that's what Story is graded at this year. 

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Defense leaguewide must really stink if that's what Story is graded at this year. 

Apparently, he's still better than Bogey.

[Kimmi]

18 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I get that but Breggie is better at 3B, Devers is better at 1B, Casas is better at 1B and Story was better at 2B. (Mayer SS?)

I can't really argue with any of that.  Still, despite being a strong proponent of defense, I would have left Devers at 3B and put Bregman at 2B.  Call me crazy.

That said, Devers should have been taking reps at 1B all along.  Perhaps he would have been more inclined to move to 1B once Casas was injured if the Red Sox had initially sold him on the idea that he was our #2 first baseman on the depth chart.

[moonslav59]

45 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

I can't really argue with any of that.  Still, despite being a strong proponent of defense, I would have left Devers at 3B and put Bregman at 2B.  Call me crazy.

That said, Devers should have been taking reps at 1B all along.  Perhaps he would have been more inclined to move to 1B once Casas was injured if the Red Sox had initially sold him on the idea that he was our #2 first baseman on the depth chart.

I do agree, Devers should have been moved to 1B long before the Bregman signing.

[notin]

On 5/12/2026 at 3:08 PM, moonslav59 said:

I do agree, Devers should have been moved to 1B long before the Bregman signing.

Like back when Matt Chapman was available…

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

Like back when Matt Chapman was available…

4 more years on that contract and Giants are trying to get out from under it.

[notin]

18 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

4 more years on that contract and Giants are trying to get out from under it.

Story for Chapman…

[mvp 78]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

Story for Chapman…

Matt Chapman is 33 and will apparently never have another season above 2 fWAR again according to posts earlier the week. PASS!

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

4 more years on that contract and Giants are trying to get out from under it.

Buster Posey seems like a great guy, but the Giants franchise is a semi-disaster at present.  

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Buster Posey seems like a great guy, but the Giants franchise is a semi-disaster at present.  

I hate the Giants, so they deserve it. 

[notin]

29 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Matt Chapman is 33 and will apparently never have another season above 2 fWAR again according to posts earlier the week. PASS!

Chapman was worth 3.7 fWAR/4.1 bWAR last season. 
 

Story and Yoshida (surplus value -$56mill) for Chapman and Adames (-$56.6mill).  Almost perfect on BTV.

Who says no?

[notin]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I hate the Giants, so they deserve it. 

Reportedly they’re not big fans of yours either…

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Chapman was worth 3.7 fWAR/4.1 bWAR last season. 
 

Story and Yoshida (surplus value -$56mill) for Chapman and Adames (-$56.6mill).  Almost perfect on BTV.

Who says no?

Me. And whoever it was that says players over 33 don't have good WAR. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Reportedly they’re not big fans of yours either…

For good reason. 

[notin]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Me. And whoever it was that says players over 33 don't have good WAR. 

Out of curiousity, does the chap who says players over 33 don’t have good WAR also bemoan the Sox for not signing Kyle Schwarber?

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

Out of curiousity, does the chap who says players over 33 don’t have good WAR also bemoan the Sox for not signing Kyle Schwarber?

I think everyone should bemoan that TBH. Maybe not for THIS offseason though. 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, notin said:

Out of curiousity, does the chap who says players over 33 don’t have good WAR also bemoan the Sox for not signing Kyle Schwarber?

If we're playing guess who, I think I have to say no? 

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If we're playing guess who, I think I have to say no? 

Sometimes “i dont know” is the correct answer…

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Like back when Matt Chapman was available…

Had we not signed Masa, DH could have been a destination, too.

[JoeBrady]

5 hours ago, notin said:

Chapman was worth 3.7 fWAR/4.1 bWAR last season. 
 

Story and Yoshida (surplus value -$56mill) for Chapman and Adames (-$56.6mill).  Almost perfect on BTV.

Who says no?

Giants.  The Giant players have a better chance of coming back, imho.

[JoeBrady]

5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Me. And whoever it was that says players over 33 don't have good WAR. 

That was me.  And Fangraphs.

[notin]

12 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Giants.  The Giant players have a better chance of coming back, imho.

 Thats the straight baseball answer.  But not the full reason many trades are made.

Chapman and Adames have a combined 9+ seasons of control remaining at a cost of $280mill or so.

Yoshida and Story have about 3+ combined seasons at about $70mill.  
 

Boston has a spending issue with fans.  San Fran has an issue with too much money committed.  Sure Chapman and Adames might turn around, but when they get down to 3+ years of control left, they’re likely to be worse and more expensive than Yoshida/Story.

And Adames’ salary jumps from $13mill in 2026 to $31mill in 2027.  This is the time to trade him.

Does any of this influence your answer?

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Does any of this influence your answer?

As in, 'my answer could not possibly have been more wrong?'

Without admitting any wrong-doing on my part, sure.

ed-This is what happens when answers too quickly.

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Matt Chapman is 33 and will apparently never have another season above 2 fWAR again according to posts earlier the week. PASS!

He has a 1.0 bWAR at the 25% mark, but his fWAR is just 0.3.

How about Story, Yoshida and $10M for Chapman?

[notin]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

He has a 1.0 bWAR at the 25% mark, but his fWAR is just 0.3.

How about Story, Yoshida and $10M for Chapman?

I’d take Adames with Chapman.  Keep Mayer at 2b. Bump Durbin to utility/weakside 2b platoon (ugh).  Demote Monasterio or DFA IKF and bring up Braiden Ward.  
 

It’s time…

[moonslav59]

I'd promote Sogard.

[JoeBrady]

On 5/15/2026 at 10:31 PM, notin said:

I’d take Adames with Chapman.  Keep Mayer at 2b. Bump Durbin to utility/weakside 2b platoon (ugh).  Demote Monasterio or DFA IKF and bring up Braiden Ward.  
 

It’s time…

As you mentioned above, those are currently pretty bad contracts.  If either of those guys were FAs, how much would you offer for them?