Red Sox (Early) vs Cardinals (May): 4/10/26, 8:15pm

[moonslav59]

Very sad outcome, tonight. Gotta beat teams and pitchers like this.

Take the next two!!!

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

6 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Not being able to score on DUSTIN MAY is indefensible.

This was my take throughout the game.  The worst part is Abreu will stop hitting soon if history is any indication.  This situation appears hopeless, this team sucks. Again.  Getting really tired of this and all the false promises during the off seasons.  

[Old Red]

7 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

Durbin is hitting .103 with no power whatsoever. How does this make him a grinder?

Yes posters have tried talking Durbin up on here since the Red Sox traded for him. It wasn’t like Durbin put up eye popping numbers last year, and I don’t care where he ranked in the ROY voting even if he won. Durbin was a settle for 3B. He’s not as bad as he’s hitting now, but who knows how good he can be. Time will tell.

[mvp 78]

7 hours ago, Tedballgame said:

Durbin is hitting .103 with no power whatsoever. How does this make him a grinder?

What does power have to do with being a grinder. Having long at bats and not striking out is more indicative of a grinder than power. He might not be hitting, but he’s grinding. It’s two different things IMO.

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes posters have tried talking Durbin up on here since the Red Sox traded for him. It wasn’t like Durbin put up eye popping numbers last year, and I don’t care where he ranked in the ROY voting even if he won. Durbin was a settle for 3B. He’s not as bad as he’s hitting now, but who knows how good he can be. Time will tell.

He has the best 3b DRS in MLB and doesn’t k. His batting average will come around.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He has the best 3b DRS in MLB and doesn’t k. His batting average will come around.

His BA will come around to what? He’s still a settle.

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What does power have to do with being a grinder. Having long at bats and not striking out is more indicative of a grinder than power. He might not be hitting, but he’s grinding. It’s two different things IMO.

He’s grinding just to keep his BA above 100 at the moment.

[Tedballgame]

39 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

What does power have to do with being a grinder. Having long at bats and not striking out is more indicative of a grinder than power. He might not be hitting, but he’s grinding. It’s two different things IMO.

I saw him in person last night. He looks lost. Weak contact. No power. 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Yes posters have tried talking Durbin up on here since the Red Sox traded for him. It wasn’t like Durbin put up eye popping numbers last year, and I don’t care where he ranked in the ROY voting even if he won. Durbin was a settle for 3B. He’s not as bad as he’s hitting now, but who knows how good he can be. Time will tell.

Bregman is hitting .192.  
 

Durbin is unexciting, but right now Bregman isn’t much more exciting.  But Alex is much older and a longer commitment…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Durbin would be a welcomed role player on an actual good team: solid third baseman with contact skills and decent speed.

The problem is the Red Sox are not a good team, and one of the reasons is that the CBO acquired Durbin to replace an All-Star and veteran leader who for over a decade has a 162-game average of 28 HRs, 95 RBI and an .840 OPS.

This season could get worse, but it will be hard to top last night as a low-point, losing to a pitcher Boston couldn't wait to get rid of, who was also the worst starter in baseball so far this year.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Bregman is hitting .192.  
 

Durbin is unexciting, but right now Bregman isn’t much more exciting but is much older and a longer commitment…

I was waiting for someone to cite stats, as if anyone could quantify dugout/clubhouse leadership. Same with Refsnyder, who isn't hitting yet in Seattle but who everyone lauded in Boston as a leader. 

Now management voices are trying to contrive lists of veteran names to the media, but it's funny no actual young players marvel at the guidance they're getting that is helping them adjust to a game of failure.

[notin]

30 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I was waiting for someone to cite stats, as if anyone could quantify dugout/clubhouse leadership. Same with Refsnyder, who isn't hitting yet in Seattle but who everyone lauded in Boston as a leader. 

Now management voices are trying to contrive lists of veteran names to the media, but it's funny no actual young players marvel at the guidance they're getting that is helping them adjust to a game of failure.

Can you quantify clubhouse leadership?  How important is it and how did Bregman exemplify it?  And isn’t it Alex Cora’s job to lead the clubhouse?

”But he was a clubhouse leader…”.  What’s that mean?  Next will we discuss how he altered “team chemistry”?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Can you quantify clubhouse leadership?

I've posted that no one can -- many times -- but that doesn't mean the smartest CBOs and GMs in the room don't try. 

The Red Sox agreed to pay Bregman $120 million a year ago and the Cubs agreed to pay Bregman $175 million this year. Only they know how much of that is worth it to their teams to secure the intangible impact of a well-respected player/coach.

Same with Refsnyder -- besides the fact that he can hit lefties, why did Seattle deem him at age 35 worth triple his Red Sox salary? 

[notin]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I've posted that no one can -- many times -- but that doesn't mean the smartest CBOs and GMs in the room don't try. 

The Red Sox agreed to pay Bregman $120 million a year ago and the Cubs agreed to pay Bregman $175 million this year. Only they know how much of that is worth it to their teams to secure the intangible impact of a well-respected player/coach.

Same with Refsnyder -- besides the fact that he can hit lefties, why did Seattle deem him at age 35 worth triple his Red Sox salary? 

We don’t know what either team considered.  It seems like Boston was paying him to be a player and not a leader, otherwise they could have played him at 2b, kept Devers at 3b, and avoided a lot of discord.  But Breslow clearly valued certain baseball skills, and normally Bregman shows them.  

I do think it’s difficult for Bregman to establish himself as a leader when he is still being booed as a cheater in many stadiums.  There is a reason I NEVER bring up leadership aspects of a player - I have no idea what they are, or even if they exist outside of Alex Speier articles.  To say it can’t be quantified is an understatement.  And if it can’t even be quantified, how can it possibly be prioritized?

As for Refsnyder, he’s a role player making role player money.  He got $6mill, roughly the same as Boston paid IKF.  That’s actually becoming fairly common Experienced Bench Player money these days.

Is leadership just another made up reason to create a clueless false persona on Sox management?  Seattle paid career minor leaguer/bench bat Rob Refsnyder, who has 15 more at bats than me and the same number of hits, $6mill, which is being justified by his leadership.  Boston paid the same money to a light-hitting Gold Glover capable of playing 7 positions and been a starter in 3 different teams, but as no one has praised his leadership, he is left to be judged and disparaged for an offensive skillset he was never signed for…

[moonslav59]

6 hours ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

This was my take throughout the game.  The worst part is Abreu will stop hitting soon if history is any indication.  This situation appears hopeless, this team sucks. Again.  Getting really tired of this and all the false promises during the off seasons.  

Someone else will start hitting as Abreu comes back to earth, but it may not be enough.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

What does power have to do with being a grinder. Having long at bats and not striking out is more indicative of a grinder than power. He might not be hitting, but he’s grinding. It’s two different things IMO.

Vocabulary is not Red's thing.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, notin said:

Bregman is hitting .192.  

If these two continue sucking, I'll be glad we "settled" at a fraction of the budget hit.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Same with Refsnyder -- besides the fact that he can hit lefties, why did Seattle deem him at age 35 worth triple his Red Sox salary? 

Being a free agent is a big part of that.

2024 was his last arb year, and we signed him for 2024-2025, so it wasn't like true FA "market value."