Boston Red Sox, Houston Astros Engaging in Trade Talks

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

I’d trade Bello straight up for Paredes and bench/demote Yoshida, and I’d do it all last week…

Eat salary? In this economy? 

[mvp 78]

38 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Duran for paredes is too close to 0 sum for me , hitting wise.

It does leave Yoshida alone at DH, so we could make ANOTHER move to bring in a DH, which I prob would.

But better to just leave the OF rotation intact, and trade a pitcher for Paredes.

Keep 4 OFers AND trade for a DH. How does that fix the roster at all? 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

Then it becomes a bigger deal since Boston has to DFA another player to squeeze Sousa or King on the roster.  And while both LHRP you nane have more control, we’re talking about pitchers who are already 30 or will be soon and might not even be around for 5 more years.  Sure they might be upgrades over, say, Drohan. But does either have options left? Is either an improvement over Jovani Moran? Do the Sox have to demote someone like Harrison to hold on to these late bloomers?

If Houston gives more, I prefer lower level prospects that don’t mess with the current 40 man roster…

I do not see it as DFA to squeeze King in. He'd be our 3rd best RP'er- same as Abreu. (Sousa- maybe.)

We could also do a Tristan Gray type trade, or add DHam, Kelly, Uberstine, Drohan or Sandlin to the trade, if the 40 man roster balance is key.

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Keep 4 OFers AND trade for a DH. How does that fix the roster at all? 

It doesn’t at all, and as time is getting closer to ST I don’t know if Brez is really any closer to finding a solution.

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Keep 4 OFers AND trade for a DH. How does that fix the roster at all? 

No either keep 4 OF'ers and trade pitching for Paredes

OR

Trade an OF for Paredes, separate trade for a DH

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Keep 4 OFers AND trade for a DH. How does that fix the roster at all? 

It doesn't.

In theory, if we found a way to dump Masa and a chunk of his salary, we could trade Duran for Paredes plus and then sign ESuarez to DH.

1. R Contreras 1B

2. L Anthony LF

3. R Paredes 3B

4. R E Suarez DH

5. L Abreu RF

6. R Story SS

7. L Mayer 2B/ R Romy 2B

8. R Narvaez C

9. R Rafaela CF

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It doesn’t at all, and as time is getting closer to ST I don’t know if Brez is really any closer to finding a solution.

Paredes is a solution, but I think Brez is trying to keep Duran (and maybe Bello) to get him. This is not a bad line-up:

1. L Anthony LF

2. R Contreras 1B

3. L Duran DH

4. R Paredes 3B

5. L Abreu RF

6. R Story SS

7. L Mayer/R Romy 2B

8. R Narvaez C

9. R Rafaela CF

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Agreed, so why add Arrighetti if you're dumping Bello? Just leave Bello out of the trade.

That's how I see it, and if we feel we can afford to trade from our rotation depth just give them Crawford, instead of the downgrade from Bello to Arrighetti.

Sandoval's contract matches up with Paredes, but he's far from an equal trade. I doubt the think Sandoval + Sandlin = Paredes, and they really need an OF'er most of all.

Would you trade K Campbell straight up for IP?

[drewski6]

THe issue with the roster is that we dont have enough hitting.

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Paredes is a solution, but I think Brez is trying to keep Duran (and maybe Bello) to get him. This is not a bad line-up:

1. L Anthony LF

2. R Contreras 1B

3. L Duran DH

4. R Paredes 3B

5. L Abreu RF

6. R Story SS

7. L Mayer/R Romy 2B

8. R Narvaez C

9. R Rafaela CF

Its 2 injuries away from being a bad lineup tho

[drewski6]

I agree with Paredes, it isnt bad. But its not great, and there isnt much offense to spare. Injuries will happen, but no Paredes, or Duran for Paredes and no additional offensive additions, and we're not gonna score enough.

The simplest solution is to bring in Paredes for pitching.

Then we'll have a C- offense and an A+ staff (we can lose Bello and still have an A+ staff)

Right now we have D- offense and an A+ pitching.

[notin]

54 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Eat salary? In this economy? 

Cheaper than groceries…

[notin]

31 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

THe issue with the roster is that we dont have enough hitting.

Its 2 injuries away from being a bad lineup tho

Even if the injuries are to Narvaez and Rafaela? 
 

I think most teams are a couple injuries away from being a bad lineup.  I also think you underestimate the impacts Anthony and Abreu are capable of, but I do understand why you do..

[notin]

50 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I do not see it as DFA to squeeze King in. He'd be our 3rd best RP'er- same as Abreu. (Sousa- maybe.)

We could also do a Tristan Gray type trade, or add DHam, Kelly, Uberstine, Drohan or Sandlin to the trade, if the 40 man roster balance is key.

You have more faith in Bryan King than I do. I assume you think he will out pitch Slaten and not Whitlock?

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

Even if the injuries are to Narvaez and Rafaela? 
 

I think most teams are a couple injuries away from being a bad lineup.  I also think you underestimate the impacts Anthony and Abreu are capable of, but I do understand why you do..

Capable of? I believe Anthony is capable of .850-.900 this year, and I think hell improve his launch angle over time, and eventually be even north of that.  But I think the downside is closer to .800 because he doesnt hit the ball into the air enough (right now). Im expecting a .830ish OPS.  I think it could be .900.

I think Abreu is....the thing is, honestly, that last year he was our #5 and #6 hitter (like in the order), and we struggled to score runs.  So leaving him there, Im fine with and its a huge plus.  But if we're moving him to 2,3,4 in the order I get a little sketched out because we failed to score runs last year with him at 5/6 and i think hes an excellent hitter for that spot, but not as much for a 2/3/4 guy

Lets inverse it.  Pretend its pitching that is worrying me.  Lets say last year, we finished the year struggling at pitching, and then we lost our #2.  And you tell me "youre underrating our #3".  Well, my issue is that lst year, pitching wasnt great, and now you are moving up your #3 to #2 and while I think hes good and like the guy, im a bit nervous when you consider last year.

I love Abreu as a hitter in the 5 or 6 hole.  But if we move him up, i get concerned that the hitting wasnt great last year with him at 5/6

I dont think you are identifying me correctly (no offense).  I dont think the issue is that I am underrestimating Anthony or Abreu.  I think I have a very high bar for offense.  Top 3 in MLB. I can live with top 5.  

[drewski6]

Cliches bounce off my ears.  So i dont believe that pitching wins or anything like that.

[moonslav59]

49 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

THe issue with the roster is that we dont have enough hitting.

Its 2 injuries away from being a bad lineup tho

The Yanks are one injury away. What's the point?

Besides, I like our depth as much or more than most teams, especially Romy, our 4th OF'er and 2nd, 3rd and 4th string DH.

[drewski6]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The Yanks are one injury away. What's the point?

Besides, I like our depth as much or more than most teams, especially Romy, our 4th OF'er and 2nd, 3rd and 4th string DH.

ROmy isnt depth , hes our #2 hitter against lefties. If he gets hurt, we wont hit lefties or righties.

 

[drewski6]

You really dont see a difference between a team with aaron judge and a team whose best hitter is a 21 year still growing into his body?

[notin]

20 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

You really dont see a difference between a team with aaron judge and a team whose best hitter is a 21 year still growing into his body?

Sure.  Last year the difference was 5 wins.  But we only had our 21 year old for 71 games…

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

ROmy isnt depth , hes our #2 hitter against lefties. If he gets hurt, we wont hit lefties or righties.

 

We still have the same or better depth than most teams. I guess that will never be enough.

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

You really dont see a difference between a team with aaron judge and a team whose best hitter is a 21 year still growing into his body?

The Yanks are one injury away from 4th place.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

In theory, if we found a way to dump Masa and a chunk of his salary, we could trade Duran for Paredes plus and then sign ESuarez to DH.

It wouldn't be worth it.  FG projects Masa at .765 and Suarez at .755.  A righty helps, and a possible backup 3B, maybe.  But we shouldn't spend $20M for that.  If we sign Suarez, it has to be for 3B.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

It wouldn't be worth it.  FG projects Masa at .765 and Suarez at .755.  A righty helps, and a possible backup 3B, maybe.  But we shouldn't spend $20M for that.  If we sign Suarez, it has to be for 3B.

Good points about ES being a DH only. He's not really worth it for just that.

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

It doesn't.

In theory, if we found a way to dump Masa and a chunk of his salary, we could trade Duran for Paredes plus and then sign ESuarez to DH.

Not going to happen. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

The Yanks are one injury away from 4th place.

Without Judge, they are a below .500 team. Anyone else, they can probably manage the storm somehow. Whenever he's been gone though, they've flat out stunk. 

[drewski6]

4 hours ago, notin said:

According to the very unofficial Roster Resource:

1. Paredes is on the Astros bench as a weak side platoon in one of their outfield corners.  (They list both corner OF spots as platoons, but Roster Resource is notoriously platoon happy.)

 

2. They do list six SPs for Houston, but one of them is some guy named Ryan Weiss, who I’m pretty sure only got the job by being the 6th caller in some KBME 790 radio talk show.

3. Another is Lance McCullers Jr.  It’s pretty sad that Houston has not yet learned their lesson that McCullers - who has started 24 games total in the PAST FOUR SEASONS - is clearly not durable enough for a rotation spot, and the act of pencilling him in there does legally constitute abuse.  He might work out in a reduced bullpen role, and it’s absolutely something the Astros need to consider because McCullers has been doing this part time starter thing FOR ELEVEN YEARS NOW.

If the Astros won’t trade a bench bat for Bello, move on.  I guess they can always rely on KBME to find them more starters…

 

I just double checked and yes, hes projected to only start 95 games next year.  And still has a projected wRC (a counting stat) higher than any player on our offense, lololol

They are benching hitters who would be our best hitter.

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I just double checked and yes, hes projected to only start 95 games next year.  And still has a projected wRC (a counting stat) higher than any player on our offense, lololol

They are benching hitters who would be our best hitter.

They also have these projected games

111 Roman (122 wRC+)

105 Contreras 115

100 Abreu 114

99 Story 92

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

The Yanks are one injury away from 4th place.

If its judge, yeah. Maybe third.

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We still have the same or better depth than most teams. I guess that will never be enough.

romy is hitter depth against righties, but pretty far down on the list I think.

romy is not hitter depth against lefties, hes a featured part of our lineup and a massive contributor.

I dont care about ideal defensive alignment.  I care about hitting the ball.

I believe in playing your 9 best hitters and if you cant make that work - you dont have enough versatility.

But we have plenty of versatility so there is no reason why we shouldnt play the best hitters.

Im not sure how i feel about romy hitting against righties. Last year i wanted it, then got it, and was sorry that i asked for it.

MVPs if the season started now lineup has cedanne batting second.  So theres room in our lineup vs righties for romy to steal a spot. It may even be cedannes.

[moonslav59]

14 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If its judge, yeah. Maybe third.

Nope.

7.3 Judge's est fWAR

Yanks 47.4

TOR 46.5

BOS 44.2

BAL 43.1 (just 4.3 from NYY)