Boston Red Sox, Houston Astros Engaging in Trade Talks

[notin]

15 hours ago, FredLynn said:

I'm not trading Bello. Trade someone else for Paredes. Sonny Gray?

I don’t think you get how trades work…

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

I don’t think you get how trades work…

No, he doesn't get how jokes work.

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

No, he doesn't get how jokes work.

Does he get how jokes trade?

[Randy Red Sox]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

I don’t think you get how trades work…

I'm not trading Bello for Parades either.

[Randy Red Sox]

20 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

It's ok to say Campbell was just rushed to MLB and wasn't quite ready.

i agree with that but I just hope we didn't ruin his confidence 

[notin]

Just now, Randy Red Sox said:

I'm not trading Bello for Parades either.

You probably like Bello more than I do, but with some 12-14 SPs on the 40 man, that does make it the position to move someone from.  And a young controllable arm like Bello, who is honestly maybe the fifth best SP on the Sox right now, and could be passed by Tolle soon, is as good a candidate as any to move,…

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Does he get how jokes trade?

He can only trade jokes with one other poster from the midwest. Nobody else will trade with him anymore. 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i agree with that but I just hope we didn't ruin his confidence 

If his confidence was ruined because of May 2025, it was never going to work out. The Sox showed their confidence in him and supported him all along the way. 🫠

[notin]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If his confidence was ruined because of May 2025, it was never going to work out. The Sox showed their confidence in him and supported him all along the way. 🫠

I don’t think shattered confidence is an issue for most players.  You get this close to MLB without having an overabundance of confidence and still have enough leftover to sell on eBay at a tidy profit…

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

I don’t think shattered confidence is an issue for most players.  You get this close to MLB without having an overabundance of confidence and still have enough leftover to sell on eBay at a tidy profit…

Yeah, the broken player argument just doesn't make sense. Not every prospect is meant to work out. I can't imagine it's the pressure at that point. It's most likely the increase in skills that is harder to overcome.

[notin]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yeah, the broken player argument just doesn't make sense. Not every prospect is meant to work out. I can't imagine it's the pressure at that point. It's most likely the increase in skills that is harder to overcome.

Some players are great at dominating lesser competition but not so good against their own talent level.  Happens in every sport and always has…

[FredLynn]

21 minutes ago, notin said:

You probably like Bello more than I do, but with some 12-14 SPs on the 40 man, that does make it the position to move someone from.  And a young controllable arm like Bello, who is honestly maybe the fifth best SP on the Sox right now, and could be passed by Tolle soon, is as good a candidate as any to move,…

I'd rank Bello just behind our ace and our new #2, ahead of Gray, who I do not trust. Gray is a fine #4 but no better.

[notin]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I'd rank Bello just behind our ace and our new #2, ahead of Gray, who I do not trust. Gray is a fine #4 but no better.

I put Bello behind not only Gray but also Early. 
 

In 166 IP last year, Bello posted a paltry 1.9 fWAR.  In 14 IP, Early was worth 1.1…

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

I'd rank Bello just behind our ace and our new #2, ahead of Gray, who I do not trust. Gray is a fine #4 but no better.

23-25

Pitcher A 531 IP, 587 K, 132 BB, 3.63 ERA, 3.11 FIP, 1.158 WHIP

Pitcher B 486 IP, 409 K, 168 BB, 4.02 ERA, 4.30 FIP, 1.311 WHIP

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

23-25

Pitcher A 531 IP, 587 K, 132 BB, 3.63 ERA, 3.11 FIP, 1.158 WHIP

Pitcher B 486 IP, 409 K, 168 BB, 4.02 ERA, 4.30 FIP, 1.311 WHIP

Gray is 36. Bello is 26. I do not believe we have seen the best of Bello yet. Gray on the other hand is over the hill, on the downslope. I think at this age there is a good chance he will spend a significant amount of time on the IL.

[mvp 78]

Postseason in NYY

Pitcher A 5 IP, 1 ER, 4 K, 2 BB, 1 H

Pitcher B 2.1 IP, 2 ER, 0 K, 1 BB, 4 H, 1 HR

Which would you trust? 

[FredLynn]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Postseason in NYY

Pitcher A 5 IP, 1 ER, 4 K, 2 BB, 1 H

Pitcher B 2.1 IP, 2 ER, 0 K, 1 BB, 4 H, 1 HR

Which would you trust? 

To contribute for the entire season I choose the pitcher who is 10 years younger.

[notin]

Just now, FredLynn said:

Gray is 36. Bello is 26. I do not believe we have seen the best of Bello yet. Gray on the other hand is over the hill, on the downslope. I think at this age there is a good chance he will spend a significant amount of time on the IL.

While age discrimination is justifiable to an extent in MLB, it’s not always accurate.  Gray has managed a relatively healthy career because he doesn’t throw hard and strain his tendons.  There is no reason to think Gray will instantaneously collapse at 36 when he didn’t at 35 or 34….

[notin]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Gray is 36. Bello is 26. I do not believe we have seen the best of Bello yet. Gray on the other hand is over the hill, on the downslope. I think at this age there is a good chance he will spend a significant amount of time on the IL.

Not to mention if you think Gray is a clear injury risk and a number 4 starter at best, why would Houston trade an All Star 3b for him?

After an entire offseason of complaining the Sox are cheapskates that miss out on the best players because they are not willing to do what it takes, thats now exactly what you’re recommending…

[FredLynn]

Just now, notin said:

While age discrimination is justifiable to an extent in MLB, it’s not always accurate.  Gray has managed a relatively healthy career because he doesn’t throw hard and strain his tendons.  There is no reason to think Gray will instantaneously collapse at 36 when he didn’t at 35 or 34….

If I had to choose who would have the better season, the better numbers THIS year I would pick Bello. Older pitchers tend to get injured more often. Comes with aging. Bello is my #3 this year; Gray is a #4 dumpster dive product of Henry's penurious (Brady doesn't like the use of "cheapskate") character.

Watch and weep as the season again proves me correct.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, notin said:

Not to mention if you think Gray is a clear injury risk and a number 4 starter at best, why would Houston trade an All Star 3b for him?

After an entire offseason of complaining the Sox are cheapskates that miss out on the best players because they are not willing to do what it takes, thats now exactly what you’re recommending…

My suggestion of a Gray for Paredes trade was, as I mentioned already, a joke.

[mvp 78]

Just now, FredLynn said:

Gray is 36. Bello is 26. I do not believe we have seen the best of Bello yet. Gray on the other hand is over the hill, on the downslope. I think at this age there is a good chance he will spend a significant amount of time on the IL.

Bello will be 27 this year and we thought we'd see improvement from him by now. Unfortunately, most of us see him not as a top of the rotation guy, but falling towards a #4. He fell apart in September (5.40 ERA, 1 W, 3 L), still walks too many guys (16th percentile k, 41st percentile bb) and is still hovering around 165 IP. If he just stopped nibbling and was better at just pitching to contact, maybe he'd be more useful. He throws too many waste pitches that nobody chases (37th percentile). 

He came in with a lot of hype. Sox made him the Opening Day Starter one year. People just need to reset their expectations for him IMO.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

While age discrimination is justifiable to an extent in MLB, it’s not always accurate.  Gray has managed a relatively healthy career because he doesn’t throw hard and strain his tendons.  There is no reason to think Gray will instantaneously collapse at 36 when he didn’t at 35 or 34….

I'd be worried if they signed him to 3-4 years. It's 1 year. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Watch and weep as the season again proves me correct.

Again? You were wrong last year Mr Flop. 

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Bello will be 27 this year and we thought we'd see improvement from him by now. Unfortunately, most of us see him not as a top of the rotation guy, but falling towards a #4. He fell apart in September (5.40 ERA, 1 W, 3 L), still walks too many guys (16th percentile k, 41st percentile bb) and is still hovering around 165 IP. If he just stopped nibbling and was better at just pitching to contact, maybe he'd be more useful. He throws too many waste pitches that nobody chases (37th percentile). 

He came in with a lot of hype. Sox made him the Opening Day Starter one year. People just need to reset their expectations for him IMO.

I'm giving him one more year to shine. Not ready to give up on him or on Casas just yet. 

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Again? You were wrong last year Mr Flop. 

We weren't contenders. I was right on that. I said that Henry would miss out on top talent and with the exception of Suarez he did miss out because he is too cheap. Couldn't even sign Bregman, let alone Soto a year ago and Schwarber and Alonso this year. I am right much more often than I am wrong.

[notin]

10 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

If I had to choose who would have the better season, the better numbers THIS year I would pick Bello. Older pitchers tend to get injured more often. Comes with aging. Bello is my #3 this year; Gray is a #4 dumpster dive product of Henry's penurious (Brady doesn't like the use of "cheapskate") character.

Watch and weep as the season again proves me correct.

And yet Gray was 10 years older than Bello last year and still threw more IP..

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, notin said:

And yet Gray was 10 years older than Bello last year and still threw more IP..

Gosh! You're right! I guess that means he is less likely to get injured than Bello THIS year, despite the 10 year age difference.

[notin]

12 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

My suggestion of a Gray for Paredes trade was, as I mentioned already, a joke.

Fair.

But the Sox do need an infielder, have an abundance of SP, and have to trade someone good to get someone good…

[notin]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

Gosh! You're right! I guess that means he is less likely to get injured than Bello THIS year, despite the 10 year age difference.

I didn’t know it was obviously not the case last year despite the same age gap…