Sox to acquire Sonny Gray

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Steamer FIP/WAR projections:

Gray 3.36/4.0
Cease 3.59/3.8
Valdez 3.47/3.7
Suarez 3.62/3.3

Ryan 3.71/3.4

Lopez 3.69/3.2

Alcantara 4.01/2.5

M Kelly 4.10/2.5

Lodolo 4.04/2.4

M Keller 4.15/2.3

[mvp 78]

Doesn't walk guys and doesn't let RHB pull the ball. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Ryan 3.71/3.4

Lopez 3.69/3.2

Alcantara 4.01/2.5

M Kelly 4.10/2.5

Lodolo 4.04/2.4

M Keller 4.15/2.3

Take the under on Alcantara. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Are these projections with ballpark specifics in mind? 

You need to ask Mr Stanley himself.

[harmony]

The 2026 Red Sox got better today.

[mvp 78]

Clarke may have been a top 100 guy during the summer, but he was not even listed in the Sox top 10 in their most recent update. 

[Hitch]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

Clarke may have been a top 100 guy during the summer, but he was not even listed in the Sox top 10 in their most recent update. 

It was rumoured they were trying to move him at the trade deadline, too. So I don't think they were overly high on him.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

It was rumoured they were trying to move him at the trade deadline, too. So I don't think they were overly high on him.

I didn't flinch at either name being included. 

[Larry Cook]

The market for starting pitching continues to get more and more expensive! 
 

1.) crochet 

2.) tbd

3.) gray

4.) bello 

4.) Sandoval/early/dobbins 

 

[FredLynn]

53 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Wow, this is actually one guy I mentioned as a possible trade target!

I know: blind squirrel on a broken clock.

The season is saved! WOW! We got Sonny Gray!

I for one am sick and tired of the Flops dumpster diving for players like Gray. Maybe he could be useful as a depth pitcher but beyond that....USELESS. We need a bona fide #2 SP and a power hitting established RHH not named Bregman.  Pretty vanilla start to the offseason.

[Hitch]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

I didn't flinch at either name being included. 

Same. Only the money worried me, and that's been allayed now. 

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, harmony said:

The 2026 Red Sox got better today.

The 2026 Red Sox treaded water today.

[mvp 78]

Gray hanging out near Ryan, Perralta and Cease. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The season is saved! WOW! We got Sonny Gray!

Glad you are onboard. 

[UtahSox]

Question how does this deal work against our payroll and luxury tax? Do we get penalized for the full 31m or does the 20m that St Louis is eating stay on their books? 

[notin]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I didn't flinch at either name being included. 

I had him and Password ad their most tradable prospects, but I had hoped for someone better.

I liked Fitts as a potential bullpen arm, where I felt he could succeed…

[mvp 78]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubvYQxTXO3U&list=RDubvYQxTXO3U&start_radio=1

[Hitch]

Just now, UtahSox said:

Question how does this deal work against our payroll and luxury tax? Do we get penalized for the full 31m or does the 20m that St Louis is eating stay on their books? 

Luxury tax hit for us is $20 million I believe....

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, UtahSox said:

Question how does this deal work against our payroll and luxury tax? Do we get penalized for the full 31m or does the 20m that St Louis is eating stay on their books? 

STL covers that portion of the salary. 

[sk7326]

Clarke is an interesting prospect - but we have a good number of them.  It's a fair deal for a durable #2/#3 sort.

[UtahSox]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Luxury tax hit for us is $20 million I believe....

So specifically for the last couple of weeks we have argued JH’s desire to spend…. The number many of us (not all) arrived at was 244 ish for 2026 payroll…. Which I think meant we had 48m to spend. Did we just spend 30m on Gray or 10m of that 48m??

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, UtahSox said:

So specifically for the last couple of weeks we have argued JH’s desire to spend…. The number many of us (not all) arrived at was 244 ish for 2026 payroll…. Which I think meant we had 48m to spend. Did we just spend 30m on Gray or 10m of that 48m??

$20m in LT terms. I think we'll be going way over the 244 limit. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Gray was the first good starter I mentioned this offseason because Chaim was taking over in St. Lou to do what he does best: shed salaries.

When I saw the player return, I thought the same thing Hitch did -- but not only does Brez want to keep Early and Tolle, I'm more convinced now those two would be the demand in deals for the likes of Ryan and Peralta.

This trade may also be positive for who it did not include: Contreras -- another contract Bloom is likely trying to dump. His absence may mean Brez and the Sox are busy zeroing in on a more prominent righty power bat...

[Hitch]

@UtahSox from Cotillo

 

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With St. Louis pitching in $20 million, the Red Sox will be on the hook for $21 million — a little less than the value of MLB’s qualifying offer. Gray’s competitive balance tax (CBT) hit will be valued at a tick under $21 million in 2026.

 

[mvp 78]

Gray >>> Giolito

[UtahSox]

5 minutes ago, Hitch said:

$20m in LT terms. I think we'll be going way over the 244 limit. 

Oh hell yeah I’d love to see JH remind people we are the Boston effing Red Sox……  if Gray/ Bello are our #3-4 SP’s in 2026 this is such a good trade. Hell even if they are #2-3 to start the year, but we go out and get 2 of the top 8 bats in free agency I’m all freaking in. 

[mvp 78]

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Gray >>> Giolito

It's true: last year Gray led the NL in shutout. He also fits Brez' desire to land another top arm who can make -- actually make -- a start in the postseason.

Then again, Gio was once thought of as a innings eater... at least a workpony.

[notin]

So is Breslow’s plan this off-season only to acquire players named Gray?  First Tristan, now Sonny.

Or will he be venturing out into other colors?  (Like, say, Hunter Greene? Or will we just get Seth Brown and Tyler Black?)

[Hitch]

 

You've got to love Bowden. Never lets actual facts get in the way of an opinion.