The Red Sox Are Already Facing a 40-man Roster Crunch

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I figured someone would use stats to refute opinion. 

My opinion is based on watching Sogard in person at several Worcester games play second, short and third. He is always solid, with sure hands and a strong accurate arm. That's what I saw in every game.

Hamilton, however he grades at second base, for some reason can't catch throws from catchers. I don't know if there's a stat for that basic skill, but my eyes have seen the gory on live Red Sox TV too many times in the past year or two.

And every time Hamilton misses a throw, a baserunner is safe, and a pitcher has to throw more pitches to get out of an inning.

 

I kinda liked how Sogard looked, too, and watching DHam play for most of 2025 was extremely painful, but I think DHam > Sogard > Eaton> Grissom.

[notin]

9 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

I don't believe he's DFA worthy, just mentioning that he has more stuff to work on in regards to his sweeper/slider. 

Apparently we were both wrong.

 

Entirely possible his arm was not in the same shape it was a couple years ago…

[moonslav59]

46 minutes ago, notin said:

Apparently we were both wrong.Entirely possible his arm was not in the same shape it was a couple years ago…

I had a feeling he was in the group to be first DFA'd.

[moonslav59]

They must like Moran, Wink, Kelly and Murphy more.

[Randy Red Sox]

13 hours ago, notin said:

Ok.

I think on the 40 man roster front, Grissom, Criswell and Lowe are definite departures.  Winckowski and Moran are possible.  Wong is possible but very situational so not likely. No idea on Kelly and Murphy…

if we DFA Grissom does that mean we lost the Sale trade?

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, notin said:

Apparently we were both wrong.

 

Entirely possible his arm was not in the same shape it was a couple years ago…

We can revisit it after he goes elsewhere and absolutely shoves. 🫠

[mvp 78]

6 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

if we DFA Grissom does that mean we lost the Sale trade?

If they don't DFA him, he has to be on the Opening Day roster. 🙃

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

7 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

if we DFA Grissom does that mean we lost the Sale trade?

Braves GM Anthopoulos on the day he traded Vaughn Grissom: “it was tough - one of the harder guys to move… Can flat hit, tremendous bat to ball skills. … He’s absolutely ready be an everyday player right now.”

 

(Alex didn't state a specific level...)

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Braves GM Anthopoulos on the day he traded Vaughn Grissom: “it was tough - one of the harder guys to move… Can flat hit, tremendous bat to ball skills. … He’s absolutely ready be an everyday player right now.”

 

(Alex didn't state a specific level...)

Prior to the trade, he could flat out hit. He had multiple leg injuries (both hamstrings) in '24 and never came back from it. Braves lucked out on the timing with that guy. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

If they don't DFA him, he has to be on the Opening Day roster. 🙃

This is why he's a goner.

[notin]

14 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I kinda liked how Sogard looked, too, and watching DHam play for most of 2025 was extremely painful, but I think DHam > Sogard > Eaton> Grissom.

Sogard has that gritty thing going where does lots and lots of little things right but his ceiling is capped by MLB-fringe talent.  His style is reminiscent of Pedroia in many ways, but he is a Kia Sedona compared to Pedroia’s Porsche Boxster…

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Sogard has that gritty thing going where does lots and lots of little things right but his ceiling is capped by MLB-fringe talent.  His style is reminiscent of Pedroia in many ways, but he is a Kia Sedona compared to Pedroia’s Porsche Boxster…

I think what gives him an edge is that he's not as bad at SS as DHam & Grissom and other options.

We should never be forced to play Rafaela at SS (or 2B)

[drewski6]

11 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

They must like Moran, Wink, Kelly and Murphy more.

Moran and Wink arent going to survive the season

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

We can revisit it after he goes elsewhere and absolutely shoves. 🫠

Can we take into account (which nobody mentions) that after winning a cy young, the braves desperately needed sale to be available to pitch for them in the postseason (his first year there), and he wasnt available.  Kind of a huge damper on an otherwise great season.

And in his second season with the Braves, he didnt make it through (yet again).

Of course more than we got out of Grissom.  But if Sale stayed and last year couldnt pitch in the postseason and we were out in rd 1 and this year got hurt yet again, its not like we'd be anything but extremely frustrated with him.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

If they don't DFA him, he has to be on the Opening Day roster. 🙃

They can expose him to waivers, right?

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Moran and Wink arent going to survive the season

Moran has good stuff.

Wink seems to do better than his stuff indicates.

I think Criswell may be the first to go, but he's the one who was just signed.

[notin]

8 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

if we DFA Grissom does that mean we lost the Sale trade?

If we don’t, does it mean we won?  Not sure why this is conditional.

I mean, is the Yankees loss of Verdugo to free agency after one bad year the reason the Sox won that trade?

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

They can expose him to waivers, right?

I kinda doubt he's be selected, but maybe....

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Moran has good stuff.

Wink seems to do better than his stuff indicates.

I think Criswell may be the first to go, but he's the one who was just signed.

So prob not the first to go

[notin]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Moran and Wink arent going to survive the season

Are they sick? This sounds fairly grim…

[notin]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Can we take into account (which nobody mentions) that after winning a cy young, the braves desperately needed sale to be available to pitch for them in the postseason (his first year there), and he wasnt available.  Kind of a huge damper on an otherwise great season.

And in his second season with the Braves, he didnt make it through (yet again).

Of course more than we got out of Grissom.  But if Sale stayed and last year couldnt pitch in the postseason and we were out in rd 1 and this year got hurt yet again, its not like we'd be anything but extremely frustrated with him.

After 2020 through 2023, exactly who wasn’t already frustrated with Sale?  It’s a long list that most definitely includes Sale himself…

[notin]

18 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think what gives him an edge is that he's not as bad at SS as DHam & Grissom and other options.

We should never be forced to play Rafaela at SS (or 2B)

As much as Hamilton was a disappointment at SS, let’s not be rash and default promote Sogard ahead of him.  Between Hamilton, Sogard and Romy Gonzalez, the Sox are stockpiling utility infielders with limited SS skills.  Of the three, Romy, maybe, is the best SS? 

[moonslav59]

I think Grissom goes before ST'ing.

I kinda think we will try to keep Criswell, Moran and Wink into ST'ing. That may mean trading others to make room for new additions to the 40 and 26.

Sogar or Eaton can go (tarded or DFA's), when we sign an infielder.

When we add a pitcher or to, I think we'll trade one or two (like Murphy, Kelly or Fitts/Harrison/Perales or a better pitcher in a package for a #2 SP'er.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

As much as Hamilton was a disappointment at SS, let’s not be rash and default promote Sogard ahead of him.  Between Hamilton, Sogard and Romy Gonzalez, the Sox are stockpiling utility infielders with limited SS skills.  Of the three, Romy, maybe, is the best SS? 

Yes, I get the point. I think we keep 1 catcher, a 4th OF'er and twi IF'er. One is DHam- the other is Sogard over Eaton, because of SS ability level.

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think what gives him an edge is that he's not as bad at SS as DHam & Grissom and other options.

We should never be forced to play Rafaela at SS (or 2B)

I'd put Hamilton at SS before Sogard. 

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Moran has good stuff.

Wink seems to do better than his stuff indicates.

I think Criswell may be the first to go, but he's the one who was just signed.

Wink has no options and has pushed back against direction from development. I'd send him to the moon. 

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

As much as Hamilton was a disappointment at SS, let’s not be rash and default promote Sogard ahead of him.  Between Hamilton, Sogard and Romy Gonzalez, the Sox are stockpiling utility infielders with limited SS skills.  Of the three, Romy, maybe, is the best SS? 

Romy? I'm going to agree with the Sox that I think Hamilton could figure it out for a short spurt at SS. His arm is just pretty bad. 

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Wink has no options and has pushed back against direction from development. I'd send him to the moon. 

You’ve recommended launching so many players to the moon and sun over the years, those two celestial bodies should each be able to field competitive teams by now. 
 

I assume the team on the sun will only be available for day games?

[notin]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Romy? I'm going to agree with the Sox that I think Hamilton could figure it out for a short spurt at SS. His arm is just pretty bad. 

Romy does lack Hamilton’s range, but probably has the best arm of the three…

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd put Hamilton at SS before Sogard. 

vs RHPs, maybe.