Article: Hunter Greene, Rumored Red Sox Trade Target, Will Cost an Arm, A Leg, and More

[Cameron Tran]

I'd trade KC, Garcia, Abreu, and 1-2 mid tier pitching prospects (Sandlin, Perales, Clarke). Honestly, if they ask for Tolle, I'd take a good long think about it. Not often someone like Hunter Greene pops up on the trade market. 

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I do not want Bellinger, but he'd be an option if we trade 2 OF'ers plus Campbell. This was the context of my mentioning him.

Tucker will cost too much.

We should not trade Duran, Abreu plus Campbell or Garcia. 2 maybe, but not 3.

I'd be okay with a Garcia-Campbell-Refsnyder LF, if we got 2 key pieces for Duran, Abreu and others, but is seems simpler to just trade one Of'er plus others to fill one of the 3 top priorities and then sign 2 for the other slots.

I'm just worried about the Bellinger rollercoaster ride TBH. Also, Sox need RHB, not Cody's LHB. Beautiful looking swing though. 

[Cameron Tran]

5 hours ago, Nick John said:

Keep in mind that he’s under contract and for rather cheap money through 2028 along with a team option for 2029. The Reds would want a lot for 4 years of control. While I think 6 players is a lot, I think a trade for Greene would need more than what it took to get Crochet.

Agreed, Major league ready/ near major league ready prospects are more valuable, and Cincinnati isn't rebuilding like Chicago.  

[Cameron Tran]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'm just worried about the Bellinger rollercoaster ride TBH. Also, Sox need RHB, not Cody's LHB. Beautiful looking swing though. 

Thing about Cody is he's pretty split proof, but he pulls the ball more than average, not a perfect fit for Fenways cavernous right field

[Cameron Tran]

a front 3 of Greene, Crochet, Bello with potential for Early, Tolle, Harrison, Perales, or Witherspoon to join that might rival 04 or 07.

[Larry Cook]

Is Greene really a bres-slow type pitcher?  

[notin]

1 hour ago, Cameron Tran said:

Thing about Cody is he's pretty split proof, but he pulls the ball more than average, not a perfect fit for Fenways cavernous right field

But certainly adequate for Fenway’s first base…

[Kimmi]

4 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

IRT Greene, it's the Shiny Object Syndrome.  He's an excellent pitcher, but still only 3rd on the team in bWAR.  I'd much rather pay a lower price and go after Lodolo, Abbott, or Burns.

This is my philosophy as well.  100%

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

This is my philosophy as well.  100%

The fWARs were:

3.9 Abbott in 166 IP

2.9 Greene in 108

2.9 Singer in 170

2.8 Lodolo in 157

2.1 N Martinez in 166

Greene is clearly the best fWAR per IP, but Lodolo is pretty good, too. I'm intrigued by both. Cincy seems to always demand too much in return. 

I still think Joe Ryan or Pablo Lopez are more likely obtainable.

Keller even more so, but he's not as good.

ERA- rankings among 127 SP'ers with 100+ IP in 2025:

12. Greene 62 (Best of all Cincy SP'ers) Crochet at 61!

24. R Suarez 74

25. Lodolo 75

35. Giolito 80 (Bello is at 32)

39. Ryan 83

40. M Kelly 84

48. Valdez 90

51. Singer 91

54, Castillo 92

69. Keller at 98

96. Cease 112

98. Gallen 114

 

[TedYazPapiMookie]

2 hours ago, Kimmi said:

This is my philosophy as well.  100%

Fake stats.  My old friend Joe Brady.  There goes the neighborhood!!!

Wow, lets deal in facts, shall we?  Greene is one of a few great young pitchers and Boston needs a top of the rotation right-handed pitcher.  Greene is perfect to compliment Crochet, Tolle and Early.  His numbers rank him with the great lefty in Boston making a short post season series ideal for Boston to win even if Cora is allowed to stay.  

So, what do you have to give up acquiring him?

Let's dump the overrated players:

1 - Injury prone Mayers.  He was bad defensively in the minors at SS so maybe he'll be better at 3B but I doubt it.  He's a lot of flash and little substance plus he'll average 110 to 130 games a year due to his constant injuries.  No brainer, dump him while he still has a lot of hype.

2 - Platoon player Abreu.  He gets excessive hype from a gold glove earned while committing the most errors in the Boston outfield over the last two years.  He can't hit lefties.  Yep .200 just doesn't cut it against LH pitchers.  Let his shortcomings be an issue for another GM/Manager.

3 - Narvaez, our latest over-rated catcher.  Much like Wong, he's done nothing most of his career then started out well in 2025 and badly faded.  It was a career year, and it was mediocre for a division contending team.  He's an excellent defensive back-up catcher but not good enough to be a starter so sell high.

4 - ANY OTHER AAA HITTER IN THE FARM SYSTEM.  The younger hitters at the lowest levels of the farm system have some decent upside but not at AAA.  Garcia seems like the most likely to be included so Cincinnati gets a SS/IF in Mayer, a DH in Abreu, a C in Narvaez and an OF in Garcia.

Boston gets the best young right-handed pitcher in baseball in Greene and Crochet and Greene take the Red Sox to a division title in 2026.  And fans get to laugh at whatever team is willing to pay Bregman $40 Million or more for more than the next two years.  His actual numbers for the last two years suggest a salary far below the super generous $40 Million he was making in Boston.

Hopefully fans learned their lesson that Devers defense WAS SO BAD that Bregman's defense while good was worth roughly 10 wins for Boston.  The next 3B needs to be able to field and if Mayer ends up there, we'll give back at least half the wins gained by Bregman.  He's not shown a history of good defense beyond the few games he played in during 2025.  If he can repeat his level of play for a full season in 2026, he will finally live up to some of his hype, but he's been in professional baseball for 5 seasons and never has lived up to it so far.

Joe, welcome to the website.  Good luck with the moderators.  I personally think you'll fit in well here.  Facts are not valued, and I think the mob will like your opinions.  There are many with the leftist beliefs about metrics so they should like you a lot!!

 

 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Fake stats.  My old friend Joe Brady.  There goes the neighborhood!!!

Wow, lets deal in facts, shall we?  Greene is one of a few great young pitchers and Boston needs a top of the rotation right-handed pitcher.  Greene is perfect to compliment Crochet, Tolle and Early.  His numbers rank him with the great lefty in Boston making a short post season series ideal for Boston to win even if Cora is allowed to stay.  

So, what do you have to give up acquiring him?

Let's dump the overrated players:

1 - Injury prone Mayers.  He was bad defensively in the minors at SS so maybe he'll be better at 3B but I doubt it.  He's a lot of flash and little substance plus he'll average 110 to 130 games a year due to his constant injuries.  No brainer, dump him while he still has a lot of hype.

2 - Platoon player Abreu.  He gets excessive hype from a gold glove earned while committing the most errors in the Boston outfield over the last two years.  He can't hit lefties.  Yep .200 just doesn't cut it against LH pitchers.  Let his shortcomings be an issue for another GM/Manager.

3 - Narvaez, our latest over-rated catcher.  Much like Wong, he's done nothing most of his career then started out well in 2025 and badly faded.  It was a career year, and it was mediocre for a division contending team.  He's an excellent defensive back-up catcher but not good enough to be a starter so sell high.

4 - ANY OTHER AAA HITTER IN THE FARM SYSTEM.  The younger hitters at the lowest levels of the farm system have some decent upside but not at AAA.  Garcia seems like the most likely to be included so Cincinnati gets a SS/IF in Mayer, a DH in Abreu, a C in Narvaez and an OF in Garcia.

Boston gets the best young right-handed pitcher in baseball in Greene and Crochet and Greene take the Red Sox to a division title in 2026.  And fans get to laugh at whatever team is willing to pay Bregman $40 Million or more for more than the next two years.  His actual numbers for the last two years suggest a salary far below the super generous $40 Million he was making in Boston.

Hopefully fans learned their lesson that Devers defense WAS SO BAD that Bregman's defense while good was worth roughly 10 wins for Boston.  The next 3B needs to be able to field and if Mayer ends up there, we'll give back at least half the wins gained by Bregman.  He's not shown a history of good defense beyond the few games he played in during 2025.  If he can repeat his level of play for a full season in 2026, he will finally live up to some of his hype, but he's been in professional baseball for 5 seasons and never has lived up to it so far.

Joe, welcome to the website.  Good luck with the moderators.  I personally think you'll fit in well here.  Facts are not valued, and I think the mob will like your opinions.  There are many with the leftist beliefs about metrics so they should like you a lot!!

 

 

Real Facts:

Narvaez was a decent batter on the farm and di very well his rookie year. He did not fade. His OPS up to AUG 28th was .719. It was .756 afterwards.

You love to bash Cora for absurd things like not playing KC at SS and Duran in CF, but overlook the fact that Duran should have been platooned- not Abreu.

Yes, Mayer is injury prone, but why overlook that Greene is, too?

24, 22, 26 and 19 GS the last 4 seasons. (Only 19, this year. He missed about 1/3 of the season- same as Mayer.)

I'd love to get Greene and would overpay to get him., but facts are facts are facts.

[JoeBrady]

Greene is clearly the best fWAR per IP

Normally, I always do WAR/180 IP, but I wanted to emphasize the issues Greene's had with injuries (67 GS in three years).

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

Greene is clearly the best fWAR per IP

Normally, I always do WAR/180 IP, but I wanted to emphasize the issues Greene's had with injuries (67 GS in three years).

Yes. I pointed that out on my last post. He may be similar to Crochet in some ways, but Crochet did not miss as much time due to injury. It was just because of not being a starter for so long.

I'm not sure I want to tie so much into another oft-injured pitcher.

This guy is damn good, though.

I know Hunter Brown is not on the market, but he'd be a get.

Lodolo is probably a safer (and cheaper) get.

I'm not as high on Ryan as I was before.

I'm getting a bit hooked on the Merrill Kelly idea, because I doubt he will cost much and won't get 3-4+ years. Trade for K Marte.

 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

Greene is clearly the best fWAR per IP

Normally, I always do WAR/180 IP, but I wanted to emphasize the issues Greene's had with injuries (67 GS in three years).

It's 75 GS, if you count the 4 farm starts in '23 and another 4 in '25, but those were rehabs, so...

[notin]

16 hours ago, Cameron Tran said:

I'd trade KC, Garcia, Abreu, and 1-2 mid tier pitching prospects (Sandlin, Perales, Clarke). Honestly, if they ask for Tolle, I'd take a good long think about it. Not often someone like Hunter Greene pops up on the trade market. 

Is Hunter Greene actually on thr trade market?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Fact: Hunter Green is in stock right now on Etsy. The dark green cotton fabric is available at $9.99 per yard.

Fact: I'm right-handed, though admit my opinions could be considered radical -- like not playing a second baseman with the lowest fielding metrics in the sport at the even-more difficult shortstop position.

Fact: There have been a lot of famous ballplayers nicknamed Lefty, but none called Righty. However, it's my opinion we shouldn't rename any greats who were.

[moonslav59]

Bichette has been very consistently between a 121 and 129 OPS+ since 2020, except for the outlier 2024/Kapow 68. He would be a nice RHB addition to replace Bregman's bat, but he doesn't have the power we need and that Breggie did not give us, either.

If we got Bichett for 3B, we'd need Suarez/Alonso/Schwarber for 1B- not Yandy Diaz as notin suggests. Diaz at 1B and Suarez at 3B would be fine, also, except for the 3B defense

 

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Bichette has been very consistently between a 121 and 129 OPS+ since 2020, except for the outlier 2024/Kapow 68. He would be a nice RHB addition to replace Bregman's bat, but he doesn't have the power we need and that Breggie did not give us, either.

If we got Bichett for 3B, we'd need Suarez/Alonso/Schwarber for 1B- not Yandy Diaz as notin suggests. Diaz at 1B and Suarez at 3B would be fine, also, except for the 3B defense

 

He doesn't have the power and his glove is awful. NEXT!

[Kimmi]

20 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

The fWARs were:

3.9 Abbott in 166 IP

2.9 Greene in 108

2.9 Singer in 170

2.8 Lodolo in 157

2.1 N Martinez in 166

Greene is clearly the best fWAR per IP, but Lodolo is pretty good, too. I'm intrigued by both. Cincy seems to always demand too much in return. 

I still think Joe Ryan or Pablo Lopez are more likely obtainable.

Keller even more so, but he's not as good.

ERA- rankings among 127 SP'ers with 100+ IP in 2025:

12. Greene 62 (Best of all Cincy SP'ers) Crochet at 61!

24. R Suarez 74

25. Lodolo 75

35. Giolito 80 (Bello is at 32)

39. Ryan 83

40. M Kelly 84

48. Valdez 90

51. Singer 91

54, Castillo 92

69. Keller at 98

96. Cease 112

98. Gallen 114

 

My point was not about who is the best pitcher out of the group, it's about not having to acquire the "Shiny New Toy" when the cost is going to be so prohibitive.

I'm not against the Sox spending, either in dollars or in trade packages, but I think there are better approaches to building a very good team than always looking for that superstar.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

He doesn't have the power and his glove is awful. NEXT!

We have at least three guys that are better shortstops on the 40, so Bichette would have to agree to play 3B or 2B.

But as far as pop, he's good for over 40 doubles and 20 homers in his 162-game average (Fenway's his second-favorite HR park on the road besides Camden Yards -- where the distance to the leftfield fence used to be a lot shorter).

Again, signing Bichette wouldn't give the Sox a 40 homer bat... and not another big whiffer. What it would do is give the Sultans of Swing and Miss a batter who led the AL in hits twice and was leading again this season before injury.

Plus, having a 40 double, 20 HR man would be nice in a batting order that right now has exactly zero of those guys...

[mvp 78]

16 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

We have at least three guys that are better shortstops on the 40, so Bichette would have to agree to play 3B or 2B.

But as far as pop, he's good for over 40 doubles and 20 homers in his 162-game average (Fenway's his second-favorite HR park on the road besides Camden Yards -- where the distance to the leftfield fence used to be a lot shorter).

Again, signing Bichette wouldn't give the Sox a 40 homer bat... and not another big whiffer. What it would do is give the Sultans of Swing and Miss a batter who led the AL in hits twice and was leading again this season before injury.

Plus, having a 40 double, 20 HR man would be nice in a batting order that right now has exactly zero of those guys...

If he was having success at Fenway, it was because of the pitching he was facing. He doesn't have a swing for the monster. 

[JoeBrady]

19 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Bichette has been very consistently between a 121 and 129 OPS+ since 2020, except for the outlier 2024/Kapow 68. He would be a nice RHB addition to replace Bregman's bat, but he doesn't have the power we need and that Breggie did not give us, either.

If we got Bichett for 3B, we'd need Suarez/Alonso/Schwarber for 1B- not Yandy Diaz as notin suggests. Diaz at 1B and Suarez at 3B would be fine, also, except for the 3B defense

 

Schwarber doesn't play 1st.  And I think Suarez is less than the sum of his parts.  28 HRs, a 196/46 K/W, and a weak-ish glove, and age 34, doesn't entice me.

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Schwarber doesn't play 1st.  And I think Suarez is less than the sum of his parts.  28 HRs, a 196/46 K/W, and a weak-ish glove, and age 34, doesn't entice me.

The appeal of Suarez would be the cheaper short term contract and he'd most likely move to 1b. 

[drewski6]

We need to be bold, guys. The roster needs work and Mayer, Campbell and RA arent worth waiting around for.  We have an elite TOTR starter and bullpen and need to strike.

Pull Abreu from the pacakge.  But Im not confident either Greene or Lodolo are available. Id love either.

[notin]

On 10/16/2025 at 7:38 AM, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Fact: Hunter Green is in stock right now on Etsy. The dark green cotton fabric is available at $9.99 per yard.

Fact: I'm right-handed, though admit my opinions could be considered radical -- like not playing a second baseman with the lowest fielding metrics in the sport at the even-more difficult shortstop position.

Fact: There have been a lot of famous ballplayers nicknamed Lefty, but none called Righty. However, it's my opinion we shouldn't rename any greats who were.

Righty Ford?

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

We need to be bold, guys. The roster needs work and Mayer, Campbell and RA arent worth waiting around for.  We have an elite TOTR starter and bullpen and need to strike.

Pull Abreu from the pacakge.  But Im not confident either Greene or Lodolo are available. Id love either.

Saying that Roman isn't worth waiting for is hilarious. There are 29 other teams that would take him off our hands. 

[moonslav59]

22 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

He doesn't have the power and his glove is awful. NEXT!

Feel the same.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Schwarber doesn't play 1st.  And I think Suarez is less than the sum of his parts.  28 HRs, a 196/46 K/W, and a weak-ish glove, and age 34, doesn't entice me.

True, but it's not like Casas, Alonso and some others talked about play even close to average 1B defense.

We are NOT signing Schwarber. I only mention him out of our extreme need for a power bat. Even if we somehow miraculously dumped Yoshida, I'd put our odds at signing Schwarber at less than 2%.

Alonso is probably a very long shot, too. Tucker is a zero chance and under 2% if we trade 2 OF'ers.

Who is left?

E Suarez who is about a year older than Schwarber and can likely play 1B as well or better than Casas and Alonso. He can also serve as our back up to Mayer at 3B. (We may need one.)

His contract will not be 5+ years, so that will make JH happy. He won't get the AAV that Alonso, Schwarber and probably even Bichette & Bregman get, so another enticement for JH & Co.

Any other options look to be via trade, and IMO, out big trade should be for a pitcher. (Merrill Kelly might be a FA option for all the reasons I stated for Suarez.)

 

[moonslav59]

20 hours ago, Kimmi said:

My point was not about who is the best pitcher out of the group, it's about not having to acquire the "Shiny New Toy" when the cost is going to be so prohibitive.

I'm not against the Sox spending, either in dollars or in trade packages, but I think there are better approaches to building a very good team than always looking for that superstar.

While we don't need to add a Crochet, every winter, we seriously lack star power on offense.

I loved the balanced approach, and still do, but even when we had Mueller  and Hobson batting 9th, we had a couple bashers in the middle.

Our rotation showed serious cracks, especially at the end, and one of our top 3 (Gio) is a goner. Yes, adding Greene would be shiny, but when you subtract Gio's season, it's not like replacing Criswell with Crochet.

We do NOT need to go very shiny at SP. I agree with that. I'd be fine with Lodolo or Ryan and have even said I'd settle for M Keller, but I'm with Drew on going large on a power bat or TWO!

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

We need to be bold, guys. The roster needs work and Mayer, Campbell and RA arent worth waiting around for.  We have an elite TOTR starter and bullpen and need to strike.

Pull Abreu from the pacakge.  But Im not confident either Greene or Lodolo are available. Id love either.

Agreed, although I'd pull more than Abreu or say no to Greene. Duran and I C ampbell or Kelly for Lodolo works for me.

Abreu is the one true power bat we have. (34 HRs per 650 in '25.)