Red Sox (Crochet) vs Mariners (Castillo): 6/18/25, 4:10pm

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

4 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

And it's entirely possible he wanted out the day he learned he was no longer the Sox thirdbaseman.  

Definitely. Remember the Sox were dealing with a man child.

[moonslav59]

42 minutes ago, Nick said:

Buehler is simply a placeholder.

Maybe Giolito can give us 1 more year. He is good when its going for him. Maybe higher ceiling than Buehler at this stage in their respective careers.

We are waiting for Bello to take a step forward.

 Dobbins look promising.

Is it possible that Kyle H will join the starting rotation at some point?

Than add the Detroit ace in 2027.

I'm not on the Gio bandwagon, yet.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

6 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I'm convinced if these players spent less time in the weight room, there'd be less tendon and muscle injuries.

I've never suffered a muscle injury mainly because I have no muscles.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

And it's entirely possible he wanted out the day he learned he was no longer the Sox thirdbaseman.  

The guy actually convinced himself he was a good defensive 3Bman.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The guy actually convinced himself he was a good defensive 3Bman.

It's called delusional.

[Maxbialystock]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think you assume batter continue hitting like they have so far.

Toro is already coming down to earth (2 for last 17) and it's a long way to Bregman's return. Maybe Toro still deserves the 1B platoon by then, but maybe not.

The way Campbell is playing now, I agree, but Toro is not doing well, either. Don't look, now: most of our O is not doing well. It's hard to project who will be deserving in August.

I'm a tad optimistic, I agree, but I also think you are a tad pessimistic about the hitting.  In fact, I love winning by just 1 or 2 runs.  It's great baseball and depends on some timely hitting, some good defense, and as much as possible good pitching.  We lost 8-0--fine with me when we win the other two 2-0 and 3-1. 

Also, I like seeing Mayer and Anthony out there because I think they will get better.  Maybe Story and Rafaela already are.  Duran's OK. Abreu will help.  Narvaez is fine.  Bregman will be great.  Behind Toro is Gonzalez.  

Plus I also think the defense is better than you say it is.  

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm a tad optimistic, I agree, but I also think you are a tad pessimistic about the hitting.  In fact, I love winning by just 1 or 2 runs.  It's great baseball and depends on some timely hitting, some good defense, and as much as possible good pitching.  We lost 8-0--fine with me when we win the other two 2-0 and 3-1. 

Also, I like seeing Mayer and Anthony out there because I think they will get better.  Maybe Story and Rafaela already are.  Duran's OK. Abreu will help.  Narvaez is fine.  Bregman will be great.  Behind Toro is Gonzalez.  

Plus I also think the defense is better than you say it is.  

Winning low scoring games does not mean our O is good.

I think the kids will improve, too, but the loss of Devers leaves a whole of 25% of our offense to plug.

I like our D: they just have not played up to their level on paper, yet.

I am more pessimistic about our pitching, despite the last 6 games.

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

It's called delusional.

I think that was the root of his being offended they moved him to DH.

Even if he was good, he could not have possibly thought he was Bregman good, could he?

[Nick]

8 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

I'm a tad optimistic, I agree, but I also think you are a tad pessimistic about the hitting.  In fact, I love winning by just 1 or 2 runs.  It's great baseball and depends on some timely hitting, some good defense, and as much as possible good pitching.  We lost 8-0--fine with me when we win the other two 2-0 and 3-1. 

Also, I like seeing Mayer and Anthony out there because I think they will get better.  Maybe Story and Rafaela already are.  Duran's OK. Abreu will help.  Narvaez is fine.  Bregman will be great.  Behind Toro is Gonzalez.  

Plus I also think the defense is better than you say it is.  

We take 2 out of 3 while getting outscored 9-5.....usually that's us and pound our chest: "We have an hell of offense."

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not on the Gio bandwagon, yet.

Too much of a rollercoaster ride, which makes sense coming of TJS. Can't trust those guys. 

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Too much of a rollercoaster ride, which makes sense coming of TJS. Can't trust those guys. 

Can't trust any pitchers any more.  Not a one.  If they haven't had TJS they're due for it.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Can't trust any pitchers any more.  Not a one.  If they haven't had TJS they're due for it.

I was just thinking in terms of day to day performance, not overall health. Every pitcher seems to be a ticking timebomb. 

[drewski6]

11 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

When Bregman returns, I think Breslow will want to trade someone.  

Thats my concern

[drewski6]

10 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not on the Gio bandwagon, yet.

Gio Gonzalez, maybe

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Thats my concern

Duran, Abreu, Rafaela

Any of them could go and I don't think it'd greatly impact the overall longterm outlook of the franchise. They are all good players, but all replaceable. 

[drewski6]

28 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Duran, Abreu, Rafaela

Any of them could go and I don't think it'd greatly impact the overall longterm outlook of the franchise. They are all good players, but all replaceable. 

If I know the Red Sox, and I believe I do, the next move will be a fruitless buy.  Whats going to happen is they are going to play .500 ball for the next month, and as soon as their percentage chance of making the playoffs fall below 20%, they will go out and overpay for struggling players, giving up prospects in our 5-10 range,

For James Paxtons, or Eric Hosmers, or that middle infielder they got at the deadline 2 years ago that never did anything.  And the prospects they gave up for these players (becasue every buy needs to be followed by a sell and vice-versa) will sting a bit, but what will sting more is watching Chapman hit FA and losing yet another chance to acquire moveable assets because this team is too afraid to commit to either the present or the future.  They'd rather hover in a place of uncertainty (like that famous quantum physics cat or my gf when she cant make up her mind where she wants to go for dinner)

[drewski6]

I think the Red Sox are just scared money.  When you can point to a group of raising prospects and saying the future is bright (but not here yet) theres no pressure to win this year.  This year is gravy because our window hasnt opened yet.  But that grand opening of your competitiveness window is scary. So when the time comes to transition from "look at our minor leaguers, never mind that our team has missed the playoffs 5 straight years in a league where every year a few mediocre teams make the playoffs and the format changes have made it much easier to make the playoffs" - and when it comes time to go from that to actual, its time to win (which comes with accountability) - we find a way to punt.  Well, half-punt.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I think the Red Sox are just scared money.  When you can point to a group of raising prospects and saying the future is bright (but not here yet) theres no pressure to win this year.  This year is gravy because our window hasnt opened yet.  But that grand opening of your competitiveness window is scary. So when the time comes to transition from "look at our minor leaguers, never mind that our team has missed the playoffs 5 straight years in a league where every year a few mediocre teams make the playoffs and the format changes have made it much easier to make the playoffs" - and when it comes time to go from that to actual, its time to win (which comes with accountability) - we find a way to punt.  Well, half-punt.

There is a window with Crochet and Bregman- both getting paid a lot.

I'd like to think we will try to win, now, but not at the great expense of making a ton of prospect trades, especially for 2 month rentals.

Key words: "I'd like to think"

[drewski6]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

There is a window with Crochet and Bregman- both getting paid a lot.

I'd like to think we will try to win, now, but not at the great expense of making a ton of prospect trades, especially for 2 month rentals.

Key words: "I'd like to think"

Trading your best hitter lets a lot of air out of the win now balloon, just saying. Agreed that its not slammed shut.  BUt I was on here on Fri declaring that its not time to look to the future and screaming that the time is now (John Cena), and now its looking like a half attempt to win now, but also we're trying to save money at the same time, so its one foot in and one foot out, while Breslow talks about how the team has to be all-in on winning when he's not himself.

[mvp 78]

18 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If I know the Red Sox, and I believe I do, the next move will be a fruitless buy.  Whats going to happen is they are going to play .500 ball for the next month, and as soon as their percentage chance of making the playoffs fall below 20%, they will go out and overpay for struggling players, giving up prospects in our 5-10 range,

For James Paxtons, or Eric Hosmers, or that middle infielder they got at the deadline 2 years ago that never did anything.  And the prospects they gave up for these players (becasue every buy needs to be followed by a sell and vice-versa) will sting a bit, but what will sting more is watching Chapman hit FA and losing yet another chance to acquire moveable assets because this team is too afraid to commit to either the present or the future.  They'd rather hover in a place of uncertainty (like that famous quantum physics cat or my gf when she cant make up her mind where she wants to go for dinner)

Potential trade targets:

Bats:

Josh Naylor

Ozuna (already rumored trade for Devers)

SP:

Eflin

Freddy Peralta

Heaney

Jake Bird

RP:

Raisel Iglesias

Kyle Finnegan

Dennis Santana

 

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Trading your best hitter lets a lot of air out of the win now balloon, just saying. Agreed that its not slammed shut.  BUt I was on here on Fri declaring that its not time to look to the future and screaming that the time is now (John Cena), and now its looking like a half attempt to win now, but also we're trying to save money at the same time, so its one foot in and one foot out, while Breslow talks about how the team has to be all-in on winning when he's not himself.

I totally agree, but rental trades suck. A trade like Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber would be fine. I'm just not for trading Arias, Bleis and Early for Hoskins and Quintana.

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I totally agree, but rental trades suck. A trade like Aldo Ramirez for Schwarber would be fine. I'm just not for trading Arias, Bleis and Early for Hoskins and Quintana.

I'm not even sure MIL says yes to this offer.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Webb is pitching today for the Giants so, at least, the light hitting Sox won't have to face him this weekend.

[moonslav59]

SF came back to beat CLE and knock them a 1/2 game behind BOS.

Devers went 1-3 w BB.

No RBI.