How are we feeling about the state of the Red Sox bullpen right now?

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

And yet both are doing their jobs.  And I say this as one who has been critical of the Wilson signing since seconds after it happened…

They could both be all stars, but we still fell short of what we needed. We needed to impove- not hope to stay even.

[Jasonbay44]

 

Red Sox lost all of these games. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

18 minutes ago, Jasonbay44 said:

 

Red Sox lost all of these games. 

That graphic is chilling. Like looking at the last photo of a picnic right before the hurricane hit.

[mvp 78]

Dirty Burdi alert! 

 

[mvp 78]

 

[moonslav59]

I think we knew for a while that Crawford would go to the 60 Day. They just waited for the time they wanted/needed to add someone to the 40.

We can also add Casas, Perales or Yoshida, if and when we need to (Anthony, Mayer, I Campbell, Drohan...)

[mvp 78]

 

[Kimmi]

We're feeling as good about our bullpen as we feel about any other aspect of the team.  Sometimes, they're lights out, other times, not so much.  Inconsistency has been the hallmark of this team so far.  

[dgalehouse]

Bullpens are no more or less volatile than any other aspect of the ball club. They all have their ups, downs, ins and outs over the course of the season.  It's just that the late inning losses sting a little more.  The Sox bullpen is pretty well put together, And Chapman is 15th all time in saves,  but  that doesn't mean they will always succeed.  The same thing with starting pitchers, hitters or fielders. The mood swings of some fans says more about their nervous nature than it does about the ebbs and flows of a 162 game season. Don't turn off your TV and hide under the bed. Relax and enjoy the game.  The sun will come up tomorrow .

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

1 hour ago, Kimmi said:

 Inconsistency has been the hallmark of this team so far.  

Actually, they've been very consistent. They've been about .500 for the last 211 games

 

[mvp 78]

13 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Actually, they've been very consistent. They've been about .500 for the last 211 games

 

That's what a .500 team is: win a few, lose a few. It's consistent that they won't go on long streaks either good or bad, just lots of BLAH. 

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

That's what a .500 team is: win a few, lose a few. It's consistent that they won't go on long streaks either good or bad, just lots of BLAH. 

Exactly.

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

That's what a .500 team is: win a few, lose a few. It's consistent that they won't go on long streaks either good or bad, just lots of BLAH. 

If the rotation would solidify (huge if) I think they can change that a bit.   

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If the rotation would solidify (huge if) I think they can change that a bit.   

With .500 teams, there are always a bunch of "ifs." This is the 4th year in a row we've had "ifs." 

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

With .500 teams, there are always a bunch of "ifs." This is the 4th year in a row we've had "ifs." 

You're preaching to the choir.  But my inner Polly gets excited by a couple of wins, I can't help it.  This team should be better than the last 3 with Crochet and Bregman totally living up to expectations.

And how about that Narvaez?

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And how about that Narvaez?

The Captain? He's pretty good, I guess. 

[moonslav59]

We are 4 games away from the one-third mark of the season, and when the sample size starts taking on more significance. Right now, our pen is 5th in IP, which is a major factor i WAR calculations. For perspective, that's about 30 more IP than #30, which is about 2/3 IP per game more. It's 13 more IP than the middle team.

Our pen is 3rd in fWAE at 2.5 (0.1 from 2nd) I have to admit, this is a good argument that WAR is seriously flawed.

12th in ERA (3.50) but 4th in FIP

11th in xFIP as well as SIERA (3.56)

9th in ERA- and 11th in WHIP (1.22)

10th in K%-BB% and 3rd in HR/9

The .292 BAbip is about average (18th)

[Bellhorn04]

43 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The Captain? He's pretty good, I guess. 

Narvaez has a 1.8 bWAR in only 35 games!  That's crazy.

[mvp 78]

Whitlock's pitch tipping problems solved? 

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

19 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

Bullpens are no more or less volatile than any other aspect of the ball club. They all have their ups, downs, ins and outs over the course of the season.  It's just that the late inning losses sting a little more.  The Sox bullpen is pretty well put together, And Chapman is 15th all time in saves,  but  that doesn't mean they will always succeed.  The same thing with starting pitchers, hitters or fielders. The mood swings of some fans says more about their nervous nature than it does about the ebbs and flows of a 162 game season. Don't turn off your TV and hide under the bed. Relax and enjoy the game.  The sun will come up tomorrow .

Not in New England: 100% rain. May see sun this weekend...

The much-maligned bullpen has saved the team the past two games, but now that they're taxed we'll have to expect some negative residuals.

One of them may be Crochet straining something by insisting on finishing what he starts. Or Chapman will be wild, or there'll be an unhappy ending even next week.

The Sox sure could use a good, long stint by another starter soon... or Criswell. Or an offensive barrage that includes more bats than the top of the order!

[Kimmi]

22 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

Bullpens are no more or less volatile than any other aspect of the ball club. They all have their ups, downs, ins and outs over the course of the season.  It's just that the late inning losses sting a little more.  The Sox bullpen is pretty well put together, And Chapman is 15th all time in saves,  but  that doesn't mean they will always succeed.  The same thing with starting pitchers, hitters or fielders. The mood swings of some fans says more about their nervous nature than it does about the ebbs and flows of a 162 game season. Don't turn off your TV and hide under the bed. Relax and enjoy the game.  The sun will come up tomorrow .

You speak the truth Denny.  It's those late inning losses that tend to stick in our minds.  Hence, IMO, a lot of unwarranted blame goes to the BP. 

The starting pitchers and the offense are not making the job of the BP any easier.  It's very tough for a BP to regularly have to cover 4+ innings a game.  It's also very stressful to try to protect a 1 or 2 run lead.  The BP has done a great job the last two games.

[Kimmi]

21 hours ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Actually, they've been very consistent. They've been about .500 for the last 211 games

 

I was anticipating such a response as I was typing that post.  LOL

It is their inconsistency that is making them so consistently mediocre.  

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

23 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

The Sox bullpen is pretty well put together, And Chapman is 15th all time in saves, 

They are 8th out of 16 teams in the AL in reliever's ERA.

Not sure what chapman's all time saves rank has to do with this season.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

They are 8th out of 16 teams in the AL in reliever's ERA.

Not sure what chapman's all time saves rank has to do with this season.

Stats shouldn't even include relievers in ERA. Often, earned runs charged to them are allowed to score by subsequent relievers.

Of course, sometimes the next guy prevents those baserunners from crossing the plate -- that's the mark of a good reliever.

At least the statisticians should include the following categories for bullpen men:

Inherited Runners S&P and Bequeathed Runners S&P (Stranded/Plated).

Some might say what about starters? I say if they can't finish 5 IP, they deserve whatever they get.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

56 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Often, earned runs charged to them are allowed to score by subsequent relievers.

 

Same for starters........

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

5 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Same for starters........

Re-read my last sentence.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

11 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Re-read my last sentence.

So it should only matter if it happens to a starter before the 6th inning?

[mvp 78]

A healthy Chris Murphy could be pretty huge as he can go multiple innings.

[mvp 78]

 

[mvp 78]