Article: Where Should Rafael Devers Play?

[Bellhorn04]

You clowns know what I meant.  The total of the 3 years AAV's is 95 million.  Hopefully that clears it up.  😜

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You clowns know what I meant.  The total of the 3 years AAV's is 95 million.  Hopefully that clears it up.  😜

I just found it amusing that you were telling another poster that their numbers were wrong and then you posted a completely erroneous number! : )

 

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

I just found it amusing that you were telling another poster that their numbers were wrong and then you posted a completely erroneous number! : )

 

I spelled out "total AAV of the contract", which obviously refers to the 3 years.

I believe you knew that, and you're just being irritating for the sake of it, again.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I spelled out "total AAV of the contract", which obviously refers to the 3 years.  I believe you knew that, and you're just being irritating for the sake of it, again.

Boys, boys, boys.🙈

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

You clowns know what I meant.  The total of the 3 years AAV's is 95 million.  Hopefully that clears it up.  😜

One of the "A's" stands for "ANUAL."

 

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

One of the "A's" stands for "ANUAL."

 

I realize.  

The AAV is $31.7* million.  There are 3 years.  $31.7 million * 3 = $95 million.

What would you call the $95 million number? 

*Rounded.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I realize.  

The AAV is $31.7* million.  There are 3 years.  $31.7 million * 3 = $95 million.

What would you call the $95 million number? 

*Rounded.

I usually say $95M/3. others say $31.7 x 3, or $31.7 AAV x 3.

That being said, he will still get the deferred money. $20M a year is deferred until 2035 to 2046. I understand how and why they count the deferred money differently, but he still gets it.

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I usually say $95M/3. others say $31.7 x 3, or $31.7 AAV x 3.

That being said, he will still get the deferred money. $20M a year is deferred until 2035 to 2046. I understand how and why they count the deferred money differently, but he still gets it.

Well, he gets it if he lives that long.  Deferring money for that long is no trifling matter, if you really care about money and what you can do with it.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Well, he gets it if he lives that long.  Deferring money for that long is no trifling matter, if you really care about money and what you can do with it.

Agreed. Money now can be invested and create way more money for later, but when you look at how many athletes that made a lot of money, but are now broke, maybe they wish they has deferred money in their contracts.

[TheSplinteredSplendor]

43 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I spelled out "total AAV of the contract", which obviously refers to the 3 years.

I believe you knew that, and you're just being irritating for the sake of it, again.

Incorrect, the total AAV is what he receives yearly.

The total OF the AAV would be the $95M.

[Bellhorn04]

1 hour ago, TheSplinteredSplendor said:

Incorrect, the total AAV is what he receives yearly.

The total OF the AAV would be the $95M.

Which was obviously what I meant.  If you keep replying you're just proving my point.

[notin]

On 3/6/2025 at 11:10 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

Which he hasn't done since 2019.

Fenway might boost it some, hopefully, but if it's a park factor increase only that doesn't add much value.

As you can see, I'm digging in on this one.  The guy turned down $171.5 million!  And in spite of what notin said, Detroit seems like an OK place to play now.   

I never mentioned the Tigers…

[notin]

22 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I spelled out "total AAV of the contract", which obviously refers to the 3 years.

I believe you knew that, and you're just being irritating for the sake of it, again.

I only referred to the total value, not just three years.  But that didn’t stop you from correcting me.  And my numbers were correct…

[Bellhorn04]

25 minutes ago, notin said:

I only referred to the total value, not just three years.  But that didn’t stop you from correcting me.  And my numbers were correct…

 But you were totally leaving out the impact of the deferrals.  So it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.  You know that.

Bregman took massively less money to play with the Red Sox.  But some people are still assuming it was all about making more money in the long run.  I disagree, that's all.

 

 

[Old Red]

10 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

 But you were totally leaving out the impact of the deferrals.  So it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.  You know that.

Bregman took massively less money to play with the Red Sox.  But some people are still assuming it was all about making more money in the long run.  I disagree, that's all.

 

 

It could be a combination of not wanting to play in Detroit, wanting to play in Boston, and a chance to make more money in the long run.

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It could be a combination of not wanting to play in Detroit, wanting to play in Boston, and a chance to make more money in the long run.

Sure, but the last one is really iffy IMHO.  It seems to be based on the idea that some team that wasn't that interested in Bregman this offseason is going to be a lot more interested next offseason when he's a year older.  I just don't see much logic in it.  

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Sure, but the last one is really iffy IMHO.

True, and he’ll be a year older.

[notin]

On 3/6/2025 at 10:17 AM, mvp 78 said:

If he has a big season, he's gone IMO. 

Define “big season”…

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

 But you were totally leaving out the impact of the deferrals.  So it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.  You know that.

Bregman took massively less money to play with the Red Sox.  But some people are still assuming it was all about making more money in the long run.  I disagree, that's all.

 

 

There shouldn’t be an argument that he positioned himself to make more money in the long run.  Especially since defer means “postpone” and not “forget about altogether”…

[Bellhorn04]

42 minutes ago, notin said:

There shouldn’t be an argument that he positioned himself to make more money in the long run.  Especially since defer means “postpone” and not “forget about altogether”…

When it comes to money, defer also means "'less real wealth"  because the time value of money is an economic fact.

[Larry Cook]

The only gloves Devers should ever see are batting gloves!!!!!

if he wants to get on the field between the white lines, he has to get on base 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

When it comes to money, defer also means "'less real wealth"  because the time value of money is an economic fact.

Then deferred wealth needs to incur a timeline.  Deferring $30mill over 5 years isnt the same as doing so over 20 years.  Either way, it still not something to ignore altogether just because the future value is TBD.

 

And with the money we are talking about here, it’s not really that important.  Alex Bregman isnt going to need to get by utilizing the SNAP program until he gets his deferred money.  With the salaries and annual values, it seems like it’s more a matter of pride than it is having enough financial security to ensure one’s great, great, great, great grandchildren won’t need student loans…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Then deferred wealth needs to incur a timeline.  Deferring $30mill over 5 years isnt the same as doing so over 20 years.  Either way, it still not something to ignore altogether just because the future value is TBD.

 

And with the money we are talking about here, it’s not really that important.  Alex Bregman isnt going to need to get by utilizing the SNAP program until he gets his deferred money.  With the salaries and annual values, it seems like it’s more a matter of pride than it is having enough financial security to ensure one’s great, great, great, great grandchildren won’t need student loans…

I'm just hoping my mediocre, average, .500 grandchildren, will winsome, losesome, but not be loathsome

[notin]

So how long until we start seeing baseball players paid in Bitcoin? 

[Bellhorn04]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Then deferred wealth needs to incur a timeline.  Deferring $30mill over 5 years isnt the same as doing so over 20 years.  Either way, it still not something to ignore altogether just because the future value is TBD.

 

And with the money we are talking about here, it’s not really that important.  Alex Bregman isnt going to need to get by utilizing the SNAP program until he gets his deferred money.  With the salaries and annual values, it seems like it’s more a matter of pride than it is having enough financial security to ensure one’s great, great, great, great grandchildren won’t need student loans…

Well, even if you count the $120 million at full value, he still passed up $51.5 million more than that.

We don't really see someone pass up $50 million plus very often in a free agent auction situation.

I'm hard pressed to think of many examples.

[notin]

17 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Well, even if you count the $120 million at full value, he still passed up $51.5 million more than that.

We don't really see someone pass up $50 million plus very often in a free agent auction situation.

I'm hard pressed to think of many examples.

That was my EXACT post that you criticized.  That he only needs to sign a 3 year $51mill deal to make up the rest of that money.   

That's basically the contract the younger but more frequently injured Tyler O'Neill just signed.   I never said anything about how long it would take to get the $120mill.   Just that he would get it .

Even at age 34, if Bregman stays healthy, I think he will be able to get a 3 years $51mill deal before the 2028 season... 

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I'm just hoping my mediocre, average, .500 grandchildren, will winsome, losesome, but not be loathsome

More likely cumbersome and burdensome.  That's the fear we all face... 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

22 minutes ago, notin said:

More likely cumbersome and burdensome.  That's the fear we all face... 

I just don't want to burdensome with my posts. I know, I know... even if they come from the top of Cumbersome Mountain #9.

[Bellhorn04]

16 hours ago, notin said:

That was my EXACT post that you criticized.  That he only needs to sign a 3 year $51mill deal to make up the rest of that money.   

That's basically the contract the younger but more frequently injured Tyler O'Neill just signed.   I never said anything about how long it would take to get the $120mill.   Just that he would get it .

Even at age 34, if Bregman stays healthy, I think he will be able to get a 3 years $51mill deal before the 2028 season... 

The guys who calculate these things calculated that the present value of Bregman's deal is 95 million, not 120 million.  That's 25 million dollars difference.  That's a plain, simple, objective fact that you keep trying to dismiss, basically because "he's rich anyway and  he'll get it eventually".   

And "if he stays healthy" is quite the little qualifier when it comes to a 30+ year old baseball player.

I guess my overriding point is, if Alex Bregman took the Sox offer primarily based on the premise he would make more money in the long run, it was a very questionable premise, possibly even straight-out dumb.  I don't think he's a dumb guy, and I don't think that was what he was thinking.

 

[Bellhorn04]

15 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I just don't want to burdensome with my posts. I know, I know... even if they come from the top of Cumbersome Mountain #9.

Charlie Daniels reference?