WOULD YOU BE UPSET IF WE TRADE DEVERS?

[Nick]

Devers has 9 years remaining in his 10 year deal, $313.5M.

The beauty of his contract is that he has NO, no trade clause.

Also looking back from 9 years from now, I believe his production will stay pace with the market value. (I'm saying $30M in 5-9 years from now may become equivalence of paying guys $20M in today's market). 

One thought is going hard after Vladimir in free agency. He's little bit younger than Devers. But one advantage he has is that he already knows how to play 1B. Sure at some point he maybe a DH candidate. Similar situation as Devers but much later.

I'd like to see him hit 81 games in Fenway.

I don't see having to 'pay' the trading partner any money for Devers. We may  or should get something reasonable in return. 

You make a trade at the deadline. Financially it won't cost us more than $15M. Deal Casas, Abreu or any combination. It would have to be a trade/sign deal. 

If we are in contention at the All Star break, this is how you go for IT.

What are the negatives?

 

 

Edited January 2, 2025 by Nick
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[mvp 78]

I think his contract is fair value for what he provides. If they trade him, they are going to have to replicate his value from somewhere else. This will be his age 28 season so he still has a lot of PRIME years left. 

I think it would really depend on the return. The Devers extension was seen as ownership finally valuing the team again and not cheapening out. Them moving on from their only long term guy seems to really thumb their nose at that yet again. It's not necessarily as shocking as the Mookie trade, but man it would be ROUGH. I think Raffy will hit for a long time. Getting rid of him makes little sense to me. There should always be room on the roster for productive players. Why move on from them? 

I'd rather deal for Vlad and pair him with Devers than dump Devers. How does dealing away a strength make the team better later on when Vlad is brought in? Seems like a lateral move if anything. 

[notin]

Trade him for what?

Whats the fascination with replacing Devers with Vlad?  Is it because Vlad washed out at 3b faster?

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Trade him for what?

Whats the fascination with replacing Devers with Vlad?  Is it because Vlad washed out at 3b faster?

He's a RHB and we need one of those! All of the Red Sox greats were RHB: Doerr, Cronin, Rice, Fisk, Pedro. 

[Nick]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think his contract is fair value for what he provides. If they trade him, they are going to have to replicate his value from somewhere else. This will be his age 28 season so he still has a lot of PRIME years left. 

I think it would really depend on the return. The Devers extension was seen as ownership finally valuing the team again and not cheapening out. Them moving on from their only long term guy seems to really thumb their nose at that yet again. It's not necessarily as shocking as the Mookie trade, but man it would be ROUGH. I think Raffy will hit for a long time. Getting rid of him makes little sense to me. There should always be room on the roster for productive players. Why move on from them? 

I'd rather deal for Vlad and pair him with Devers than dump Devers. How does dealing away a strength make the team better later on when Vlad is brought in? Seems like a lateral move if anything. 

I didn't do a deep dive other than thinking we'd have to move Devers to 1B and then as a DH at some point.

If we can afford it, I'd love to keep them both. Rotate Devers at 3B/DH and do the same for Vladimir at 1B/DH. That would require getting rid of Yoshida at some point.

I just think Vladimir is better than Devers and much of that goes to a power righty hitting in Fenway.

[Nick]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Trade him for what?

Whats the fascination with replacing Devers with Vlad?  Is it because Vlad washed out at 3b faster?

I think Vladimir's bat will play in Fenway better than Devers'. 

We were willing to fork out $700M for Soto. What's $450M for Vladimir?

Don't you root for a team that simply wants to make the playoffs? Hold on to everyone tight as though they've already won the world series?

I'm at an age I only care for winning the World Series. Everything else is 2nd place.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

I didn't do a deep dive other than thinking we'd have to move Devers to 1B and then as a DH at some point.

If we can afford it, I'd love to keep them both. Rotate Devers at 3B/DH and do the same for Vladimir at 1B/DH. That would require getting rid of Yoshida at some point.

I just think Vladimir is better than Devers and much of that goes to a power righty hitting in Fenway.

I'd be willing to trade Casas in order to get Devers over to 1B/DH. Then you can add Vlad next offseason via FA and deal Masa. They'd need a short term acquisition for 3B unless they are willing to start the season with Campbell there. 

1B Devers

2B Campbell

SS Story

3B Mayer

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd be willing to trade Casas in order to get Devers over to 1B/DH. Then you can add Vlad next offseason via FA and deal Masa. They'd need a short term acquisition for 3B unless they are willing to start the season with Campbell there. 

1B Devers

2B Campbell

SS Story

3B Mayer

I like the idea of Campbell/Mayer combination. Hell if we have enough outfielders, we can bring back Rafaela to short when Story's contract expires. 

All I'm saying is no one should be non tradeable if it makes the team better.

"Better Defense" keeps bouncing in my head and Devers pop up. 

Edited January 2, 2025 by Nick
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[notin]

18 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He's a RHB and we need one of those! All of the Red Sox greats were RHB: Doerr, Cronin, Rice, Fisk, Pedro. 

Manny!! 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Personality. No matter what fans think of Raffy's defense, he's Carita, their Big Puppy, almost always in a good mood. He may not be a leader because he's not a redass like Pedroia or call profane team meetings like Papi or Sale. But nobody ever said Devers is not a good guy.

Vlad -- and this is just from what I've seen in games vs. Boston and New York on TV -- is always the first one off the bench whenever there's any confrontations between opponents, like brushback pitches or cuss words. He wants to fight, even if he's not the target. The only time we see Raffy get mad is when he makes mistakes.

And Guerrero doesn't look like he cares at first base, where he's a negative with the glove. Merloni and Youk both called him out for being unprofessional and not even trying on some plays in a game last year.

I'll take him as DH, but not to replace Devers, and definitely not to solve the problem at 1B.

 

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, Nick said:

I like the idea of Campbell/Mayer combination. Hell if we have enough outfielders, we can bring back Rafaela to short when Story's contract expires. 

All I'm saying is no one should be non tradeable if it makes the team better.

"Better Defense" keeps bouncing in my head and Devers pop up. 

I would say that there are more areas to upgrade defensively than just 3B.

Catcher - bottom 5 in 2024, 30th in framing

2B - 29th in OAA

SS - 28th in OAA

 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Manny!! 

Dewey!!

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Dewey!!

Varitek!  Roughly 25% of the time!!

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I would say that there are more areas to upgrade defensively than just 3B.

Catcher - bottom 5 in 2024, 30th in framing

2B - 29th in OAA

SS - 28th in OAA

 

With Story and possibly Mayer replacing Rafaela, I expect a massive upgrade at SS.

Grissom and/or Campbell might give one at 2b as well…

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

Varitek!  Roughly 25% of the time!!

Pedey AND Youk!

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

With Story and possibly Mayer replacing Rafaela, I expect a massive upgrade at SS.

Grissom and/or Campbell might give one at 2b as well…

It'll be interesting to see who gets more 3B reps in ST. Is Grissom a better fit over there? Campbell is a legitimate 2B unlike Grissom. Putting Campbell at 3B and Grissom at 2B is just playing two guys out of position. 

[moonslav59]

I'm never uspet with any trade that brings back better value or equal value that fllls a greater need than we create.

[Hugh2]

At this point yes.  If they traded him a month ago, got a good package of prospects for him to replenish the Crochet haul and then went out and signed Bregman and Burnes I'd totally be ok with it.  

But I'm very happy to watch him play in Boston until he's 36

[Bellhorn04]

I'm sure John Henry wouldn't mind dumping Raffy's contract for prospects.  That'd be 30 mill a year more for FSG shareholders.  

[Bellhorn04]

As for signing Vlad as a free agent, if there are any other serious bidders, you know how that'd turn out! 😛

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

As for signing Vlad as a free agent, if there are any other serious bidders, you know how that'd turn out! 😛

They'd bow down to the financial might of FSG! 

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

They'd bow down to the financial might of FSG! 

Exactly! After all, FSG would have just rained another $30mill per year!

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, notin said:

Exactly! After all, FSG would have just rained another $30mill per year!

Can't wait to go to Fenway this July and get a good F-S-G chant going in the stands.