A Realistic View at 2024: Part III

[Maxbialystock]

It seems he has more than 45 days. And it looks like just 2023 was exactly 45 days, so I think they just don't update those numbers until the season is over.

 

I think you guys are arguing needlessly. It's almost certain the Sox management know what the right number of days/games is. They also have a reasonable idea of what he could contribute this year. So we know he could be used this season and used wisely--as simple as that.

[moonslav59]

I think you guys are arguing needlessly. It's almost certain the Sox management know what the right number of days/games is. They also have a reasonable idea of what he could contribute this year. So we know he could be used this season and used wisely--as simple as that.

 

I didn't see it as arguing.

 

It would be nice for fans to know how many days he can be on the 26, since we need SP'ers, and he's ML ready.

[Maxbialystock]

I didn't see it as arguing.

 

It would be nice for fans to know how many days he can be on the 26, since we need SP'ers, and he's ML ready.

 

Meh. Priester's value will depend far less on "days he can be on the 26" than on how effective he is. It's enough to know that chances are good he can be used in August and not jeopardize his 6 years under control.

[notin]

I didn't see it as arguing.

 

It would be nice for fans to know how many days he can be on the 26, since we need SP'ers, and he's ML ready.

 

I’d prefer he take some steps to be ML Effective…

[mvp 78]

Westbrook sent to WOO.

 

Nick Sogard called up to BOS.

[mvp 78]

Sims activated.

 

Ramirez DFA'd.

[Old Red]

Sims activated.

 

Ramirez DFA'd.

 

Oh no! We hardly even knew ya.

[Bellhorn04]

Oh no! We hardly even knew ya.

 

A great memory for him.

[Old Red]

A great memory for him.

 

He had a shorter stint than the Wing Man.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

Sogard will play second vs lefties.

 

Westbrook just wasn't good enough and Sogard is a better defender. Westbrook initially called up since he'd be easier to DFA later on IMO.

[mvp 78]

A great memory for him.

 

-0.2 bWAR in 1.1 innings.

[notin]

Oh no! We hardly even knew ya.

 

Wing enter and Ramirez were only claimed to fill some voids in the bullpen until a better pitcher could be acquired. I know the Sox disappointed you by not just going with the 6 man for a few days…

[Old Red]

Wing enter and Ramirez were only claimed to fill some voids in the bullpen until a better pitcher could be acquired. I know the Sox disappointed you by not just going with the 6 man for a few days…

 

You are such a NN. NO ONE said anything about pitching short, or with a 6 man staff, but you. Were the Wing Man, and the Yo Man the ONLY two so called available arms out there, or was it that’s who the Red Sox chose?

[mvp 78]

You are such a NN. NO ONE said anything about pitching short, or with a 6 man staff, but you. Were the Wing Man, and the Yo Man the ONLY two so called available arms out there, or was it that’s who the Red Sox chose?

 

Who else was available when those guys were picked up?

[moonslav59]

Meh. Priester's value will depend far less on "days he can be on the 26" than on how effective he is. It's enough to know that chances are good he can be used in August and not jeopardize his 6 years under control.

 

Agreed. I do think, even if he's slightly bad, he could be an upgrade on what we have, so I'd like to know just how much we CAN use him in '24. It may or may not end up mattering.

[moonslav59]

I’d prefer he take some steps to be ML Effective…

 

Yes, and the same can be said for all our SP'ers and more than half our pen.

[Old Red]

Who else was available when those guys were picked up?

 

That’s the question I asked. That’s kind of like I was told the Red Sox couldn’t have done anything better with their $10M than Kike when they resigned him. The Red Sox couldn’t have done much worse than the Wing Man, and the YO Man. I don’t know who else was out there at the time, but if that’s all the was than Baseball is even in worse shape than I thought.

[notin]

Yes, and the same can be said for all our SP'ers and more than half our pen.

 

The difference is our SPs have a history of effectiveness at the ML level. Priester does not.

 

If he pitches in Boston this year, it likely won’t be until September, or close to it…

[notin]

Who else was available when those guys were picked up?

 

I don’t know, since I don’t check the waiver wire personally.

 

Mike Baumann might have been. He seems to go on it every couple weeks.

 

Of course it’s not just about who else was on the waiver wire; it also matters that those players last on it until the Sox can make a claim…

[notin]

So 30yo Brett Phillips is attempting to come back as a pitcher, and the Yankees have already signed him. But the Sox are dumpster diving by getting actual pitchers.

 

Interesting move by Phillips. He always had a cannon for an arm. I’m surprised because these types of switches are usually done by guys who can’t get Major League jobs. Phillips was never a starter, but he didn’t seem to struggle finding teams to put him on the ML roster…

[Old Red]

I don’t know, since I don’t check the waiver wire personally.

 

Mike Baumann might have been. He seems to go on it every couple weeks.

 

Of course it’s not just about who else was on the waiver wire; it also matters that those players last on it until the Sox can make a claim…

 

Why did it have to be the waiver wire in the first place?

[moonslav59]

The difference is our SPs have a history of effectiveness at the ML level. Priester does not.

 

If he pitches in Boston this year, it likely won’t be until September, or close to it…

 

I get it.

 

My point is, none of our starting pitchers are working out. Pivetta pitches well, every other game, and that's it.

 

Priester has 14 GS in his MLB career, spread out over 2 seasons. Other than Criswell, we have no ral options. Everyone is on the IL, sucking in AA or not on the 40.

 

I just wondered how many day we had to use Priester. I was not predicting greatness. I even mentioned the hope of him maybe only being "lightly bad," which might be an improvement over others.

[notin]

Why did it have to be the waiver wire in the first place?

 

They had an open roster spot. They could trade, but might not have found anyone willing. And if it’s only temporary, trades can take too long. Contract reviews. Physicals. Etc. plus teams use lots of pitchers. Most teams use 20-30 different pitchers per year. And a lot of them don’t start the year in the same organization. Would you prefer instead that the Sox bought them in bulk from Costco?

 

Ramirez and Wingenter combined for just over 3 IP. Why are they worth this much attention from you? They were placeholders and quick fixes whose chances at sticking were directly linked to how long it took Breslow to trade for their replacements…

[Nick]

I get it.

 

My point is, none of our starting pitchers are working out. Pivetta pitches well, every other game, and that's it.

 

Priester has 14 GS in his MLB career, spread out over 2 seasons. Other than Criswell, we have no ral options. Everyone is on the IL, sucking in AA or not on the 40.

 

I just wondered how many day we had to use Priester. I was not predicting greatness. I even mentioned the hope of him maybe only being "lightly bad," which might be an improvement over others.

 

Moon and I have good relationship. We like to get the facts straight. Apparently, relying on Cot's is not always good. I went to MLB.com to get his stats and found that it was unlikely he had only garnered 45 days in service as posted on the Cot's.

 

All good. And yes, I'm sure our management knows the exact date he can be called up without using up a year's service.

[notin]

Moon and I have good relationship. We like to get the facts straight. Apparently, relying on Cot's is not always good. I went to MLB.com to get his stats and found that it was unlikely he had only garnered 45 days in service as posted on the Cot's.

 

All good. And yes, I'm sure our management knows the exact date he can be called up without using up a year's service.

 

I’m sure they’ll make sure they can control Priester as long as possible. It might be more of an issue if Priester could force a tough decision by pitching better…

[Old Red]

They had an open roster spot. They could trade, but might not have found anyone willing. And if it’s only temporary, trades can take too long. Contract reviews. Physicals. Etc. plus teams use lots of pitchers. Most teams use 20-30 different pitchers per year. And a lot of them don’t start the year in the same organization. Would you prefer instead that the Sox bought them in bulk from Costco?

 

Ramirez and Wingenter combined for just over 3 IP. Why are they worth this much attention from you? They were placeholders and quick fixes whose chances at sticking were directly linked to how long it took Breslow to trade for their replacements…

 

And it the meantime how many games did the Red Sox lose , because of the backend of the BP late in games since the AS break? You’ve mentioned this yourself. 4 loses that won’t be given back.

[Nick]

I’m sure they’ll make sure they can control Priester as long as possible. It might be more of an issue if Priester could force a tough decision by pitching better…

 

Was he ranked pretty high as a prospect when drafted?

[notin]

Was he ranked pretty high as a prospect when drafted?

 

He was drafted # 18 overall, but none of the scouting orgs have ever ranked him as a top 100 prospect…

[moonslav59]

Moon and I have good relationship. We like to get the facts straight. Apparently, relying on Cot's is not always good. I went to MLB.com to get his stats and found that it was unlikely he had only garnered 45 days in service as posted on the Cot's.

 

All good. And yes, I'm sure our management knows the exact date he can be called up without using up a year's service.

 

Yes, it wasn't "an argument." We were just trying to find out the right amount of days he has.

 

It might not even matter.

[moonslav59]

He was drafted # 18 overall, but none of the scouting orgs have ever ranked him as a top 100 prospect…

 

He certainly still has some significant hope. Pitchers often take time to develop. I think he was a good attempt at balancing the farm. We traded a decent batting prospect for a decent pitcher, who has 6 years of control- like a prospect does.

 

It was a good try, and now we wait and see if it works.

 

Even if Yorke does great, and Priester just okay, it might still be worth it, since we are backed up at LF/DH and marginal defensive 2Bmen.