7/27 Yankems @ SOX 7:15PM ET

[moonslav59]

Unless the pitching changes drastically, there will be many more losses similar to what we've seen recently.

 

We need to trade for 4 RP'ers.

 

No joke!

[Oscars]

The Sox bullpen after the all star break continues to stink it up and cost games

[moonslav59]

Massive kick to my gut!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

We need to trade for 4 RP'ers.

 

No joke!

 

Maybe the FO needs to find a different Goodwill.

[Old Red]

Massive kick to my gut!

 

OMG! It’s only July 27.

[d-money]

s***** L with all the help you got today. Better come back tomorrow and win.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Besides the shite pitching, another stat I saw tonight is disturbing. Devers is batting .236 with RISP. So this proves my eyes weren't deceiving me.

[FredLynn]

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

Shoulda won this

[vegasbob]

O'Neill butchered that ball. Not Jansen's fault. Should have been caught.

 

For a former Gold Glover, Tyler is more concerned with protecting his Conan body than making a play at the wall. The HR's are no help when the team loses the game.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Seriously, if the FO is determined not to trade their top 4 prospects, what major trade can the SOX expect to make? I doubt this TDL will be much different than the previous two seasons.

[Maxbialystock]

Besides the shite pitching, another stat I saw tonight is disturbing. Devers is batting .236 with RISP. So this proves my eyes weren't deceiving me.

 

I checked. You're right. Disappointing. The five best with RISP are Abreu, .328, Duran, .326, Yoshida, .314, Wong, .309, and Ref, .308. Then comes Rafaela, .267, and finally Devers, .238. Interestingly, O'Neill hits .224 with RISP.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

My view is keep the top prospects and go the O's route to winning. The SOX, same as the Yankems, aren't gonna win the WS this year. So just enjoy the rest of the season and then go gangbusters next season. If the SOX don't make major additions in the offseason, then Fk 'em.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I checked. You're right. Disappointing. The five best with RISP are Abreu, .328, Duran, .326, Yoshida, .314, Wong, .309, and Ref, .308. Then comes Rafaela, .267, and finally Devers, .238. Interestingly, O'Neill hits .224 with RISP.

 

That explains O'Neill's 20+ HR'S and low number of RBI.

[FredLynn]

Seriously, if the FO is determined not to trade their top 4 prospects, what major trade can the SOX expect to make? I doubt this TDL will be much different than the previous two seasons.

 

I don’t blame them at all. This team isn’t good enough to compete for a ring and isn’t likely to make the playoffs either. In 2-3 years maybe; not this year. I’d hang on to the most promising prospects too.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Fun facts:

 

The Giants have the most HOF players in the history of MLB. Followed by the Braves and Dodgers.

I would have guessed the Yankems.

The SOX are tied for 3rd with the A's for most WS titles(9). Yankems(27) and Cards(11).

Edited July 28, 2024 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[moonslav59]

I don’t blame them at all. This team isn’t good enough to compete for a ring and isn’t likely to make the playoffs either. In 2-3 years maybe; not this year. I’d hang on to the most promising prospects too.

 

I'm not against holding onto our top 4 prospects, or even the top 9, but I do think we can afford to trade some #10 and lower prospects for some pieces that can significantly improve our chances, this year. I also think we can try hard to make a move, using one or two top 9 prospects for a SP'er under team control for 2.3+ years of control. I don't think our window needs to be planned on opening in 2027 or 2028.

 

Some of our young core players will be FAs in 2028 and 2029.

[Duran Is The Man]

maybe the fo needs to find a different goodwill.

 

lololol

[redsoxrules]

Based on what has happened recently in losses if the FO next trade isn't for a RP then I don't what the F they are doing.

The offense is great. Why are we sending 3 prospect for Danny Jansen? Dude has been brutal the last 2 months.

[FredLynn]

I'm not against holding onto our top 4 prospects, or even the top 9, but I do think we can afford to trade some #10 and lower prospects for some pieces that can significantly improve our chances, this year. I also think we can try hard to make a move, using one or two top 9 prospects for a SP'er under team control for 2.3+ years of control. I don't think our window needs to be planned on opening in 2027 or 2028.

 

Some of our young core players will be FAs in 2028 and 2029.

 

2-3 years is 2026/2027. I think we could compete for a ring by then. I'd hold on to our top four prospects unless there is a deal on the table that blows management away. But sure, the lower ranked prospects are fair game if we can improve the chances of making the playoffs this year. Once you get into the playoffs anything can happen. As the team is currently constructed I don't see that happening.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

OMG! It’s only July 27.

 

IT'S STILL EARLY -- if you're waiting for the ponds to freeze... or to pick apples.

 

But the baseball trade deadline is tomorrow -- and the bottom line is you're dead -- if you have no bullpen and don't make significant acquisitions to fortify it.

[Tedballgame]

My view is keep the top prospects and go the O's route to winning. The SOX, same as the Yankems, aren't gonna win the WS this year. So just enjoy the rest of the season and then go gangbusters next season. If the SOX don't make major additions in the offseason, then Fk 'em.

 

 

Totally agree. Keep all of the best prospects and hope most of them can play.

[Old Red]

IT'S STILL EARLY -- if you're waiting for the ponds to freeze... or to pick apples.

 

But the baseball trade deadline is tomorrow -- and the bottom line is you're dead -- if you have no bullpen and don't make significant acquisitions to fortify it.

I’m not waiting for the ponds to freeze, or to pick apples, but I don’t worry about the standings in July. I look at them everyday, but I’ll wait until Sept 1 to do any hard scoreboard watching. I’m very well aware the the Trade deadline is two days away, but the BP needed help before their last road trip started with Slaten, Martin out, and Jansen missing the Colorado series, and the Red Sox did nothing, but watch 4 games slip away late, because the BP couldn’t close out the games. Those losses you won’t get back either.

[moonslav59]

2-3 years is 2026/2027. I think we could compete for a ring by then. I'd hold on to our top four prospects unless there is a deal on the table that blows management away. But sure, the lower ranked prospects are fair game if we can improve the chances of making the playoffs this year. Once you get into the playoffs anything can happen. As the team is currently constructed I don't see that happening.

 

Look at every other AL team. Sure, some look better, on paper, but not by enough to think it would take a near miracle to beat them in a series. That is the one reason I want us to try, this year. We don't have to trade a top 4 to make a couple impact trades. We might be able to "help enough," without trading a 5 to 9 prospect, either, but Brez would have to excel.

 

Trading a top 4 or 9 prospect for a pitcher with several years of control would shorten the window to some extent, but it could be a 3-4 or maybe 5, if we get lucky, playoff window.

 

Let's say we trade Anthony and his window of 2026 to 2030 (and other midlevels) for a SP with 3.3 years of control (2024 playoffs plus 2026, 2027 and 2028,) we'd be shortening the window by 2 years, but that does not mean we'd suck in 2029 and 2030. Sure, if the pitcher fizzles, we might be worse in 2024 to 2028 and worse off in '29 and '30 as well, but we can't win without pitching, and our farm does not look like it will give us one, anytime, soon.

 

I respect your opinion, and part of me feels the same way. Why sacrifice anything from the future for a longshot in 2024, when it seems like we've already given up on several recent seasons to build up what we have now: a solid foundation of everyday players on the 26 and 40, and 4 mega prospects on the cusp of making our 13 everyday players, perhaps the deepest and best in MLB.

 

How do we get the pitchers we need, if JH won't spend large and long?

 

It has to be by trade(s.) Maybe waiting to this or next winter makes sense, in terms of maximizing the window fro 2027 and beyond, but that is making the rebuild timeframe 7 years! (2020>2026) That is too long, for me, and I'm a pretty patient guy.

[moonslav59]

Totally agree. Keep all of the best prospects and hope most of them can play.

 

At some point, if all of these prospects do as well as we think the will (or might,) we will be so bottle-necked, we will have to trade at least 2-3 from our core of vets and near MLB ready prospects. We could keep some on the farm, as depth and to lengthen their control time, but look at the "13" in 2026 or 2027:

 

Wong & Teel

Casas

DHam, Campbell & Grissom

Story (2B?) & Mayer (Romero)

Devers (Meidroth)

Duran (Jh. Garcia/Lugo/Yorke/Castro)

Rafaela & Anthony

Abreu, Bleis

Yoshida (Valdez/Lugo/Yorke/Kavadas)

 

Okay, let's say we somehow shed Yoshida and part of his contract by 2026 or 2017 (his last year) and Grissom, too. Let's say someone fizzles out. I still count 14-15 players that look like they deserve a slot on the MLB team by 2026. I did not even mention Jo Garcia, Cespedes, Zanetello and Arias, who may be ready by 2027.

 

Odds are, we don't trade Yoshida or Grissom, so we'd be at 16-18 players for a 13 man roster slot on the big team.

 

We will trade someone, eventually, of wait until someone fizzles and get nothing for him. Or, wait until this winter, or next, make a better determination of who to keep, and make a big deal then. Either way, it will happen. My point is this: trust our talent evaluators to determine who is the best to keep, and who looks most blocked. Trade 2-3 for a controllable pitcher. Even if it is trading guys like Yorke, Lugo, Meidroth, Valdez or a farther away top prospect, we can do it now and not wait.

 

(O'Neill is gone after 2024/ Ref and McGuire after 2025. Nobody else loses team control before 2026.)

 

When you look at our pitching outlook for 2026 and 2027, it looks much worse. We need to eventually trade from our everyday strength and get some pitchers for the future, and why not, now, too?

 

We lose Pivetta, Jansen and Martin after 2024.

We lose Gio and Hendriks after 2025.

We lose Whitlock after 2026 and Houck after 2027.

That's losing more than the everyday player losses between now and 2026 or 2027, and it's already our weakest area!

Edited July 28, 2024 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

Look at every other AL team. Sure, some look better, on paper, but not by enough to think it would take a near miracle to beat them in a series. That is the one reason I want us to try, this year. We don't have to trade a top 4 to make a couple impact trades. We might be able to "help enough," without trading a 5 to 9 prospect, either, but Brez would have to excel.

 

Trading a top 4 or 9 prospect for a pitcher with several years of control would shorten the window to some extent, but it could be a 3-4 or maybe 5, if we get lucky, playoff window.

 

Let's say we trade Anthony and his window of 2026 to 2030 (and other midlevels) for a SP with 3.3 years of control (2024 playoffs plus 2026, 2027 and 2028,) we'd be shortening the window by 2 years, but that does not mean we'd suck in 2029 and 2030. Sure, if the pitcher fizzles, we might be worse in 2024 to 2028 and worse off in '29 and '30 as well, but we can't win without pitching, and our farm does not look like it will give us one, anytime, soon.

 

I respect your opinion, and part of me feels the same way. Why sacrifice anything from the future for a longshot in 2024, when it seems like we've already given up on several recent seasons to build up what we have now: a solid foundation of everyday players on the 26 and 40, and 4 mega prospects on the cusp of making our 13 everyday players, perhaps the deepest and best in MLB.

 

How do we get the pitchers we need, if JH won't spend large and long?

 

It has to be by trade(s.) Maybe waiting to this or next winter makes sense, in terms of maximizing the window fro 2027 and beyond, but that is making the rebuild timeframe 7 years! (2020>2026) That is too long, for me, and I'm a pretty patient guy.

 

And I’ll repeat for the 100th time in a lot less words. If you are not going to play, and win then DON’T play at all.