4/26 vs Cubs

[d-money]

This division is terrible unlike last year. It’s the yankee and orioles. That’s it.

[vegasbob]

The chrome is coming off the trailer hitch boys. Reality is catching up with the Sox, who cannot compete at Fenway Park.

[Old Red]

31,801 announced as attendance last night. How many were Sox fans, and how many were Cubs fans?🤫

[Old Red]

Imanga is off to a pretty good start with the Cubs. Supposedly the Red Sox made the first offer to him at 2yrs $26M. 2yrs was not going to get any deal done. In other words why bother? Edited April 27, 2024 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

Imanga is off to a pretty good start with the Cubs. Supposedly the Red Sox made the first offer to him at 2yrs $26M. 2yrs was not going to get any deal done. In other words why bother?

 

They wouldn't beat the Cubs' guarantee of $53 million. Very indicative of their disciplined approach the last few years.

[moonslav59]

They wouldn't beat the Cubs' guarantee of $53 million. Very indicative of their disciplined approach the last few years.

 

I was pretty high on him, but I was on others, too, who are hurt or struggling.

 

I liked Seth Lugo, too.

 

Here are some selected FWARs

1. Crawford 1.4

3. Houck 1.1

8. Imanaga 0.9

13. S Lugo & Yamamoto 0.8

23. T Roger 0.7 (trade talk)

27. M Perez, M Wacha 0.6

42. Severino, C Sale, Nate 0.5

 

The list of injured or struggling SP'ers might be longer.

 

[Maxbialystock]

I did watch the game--enough to see clearly it was a matter of one pitcher having good stuff and the other not. End of story.

 

Except that Imanaga reminds a whole lot of Koji Uehara, especially in 2013. Uehara had just two pitches, a pretty nasty splitter and a kind of a nothing 4 seamer that rarely topped 88 mph. But he had great control and, even more important, confidence, and was unbelievably effective, especially in the postseason.

 

This guy Imanaga relies heavily on the same two pitches, but his fastball is around 90-93 mph and his splitter is just as wicked as Koji's. So instead of 1 or 2 innings, he went 6.1. Plus he made that fantastic play on a truly excellent drag bunt by Duran--caught it backhanded and then made a perfect flip with his glove to beat the runner.

 

I'm not sure I would have plunked down a ton of money for a two-pitch repertoire, but there was no doubt last night he had our guys in his hip pocket.

[Bellhorn04]

I was pretty high on him, but I was on others, too, who are hurt or struggling.

 

I liked Seth Lugo, too.

 

Here are some selected FWARs

1. Crawford 1.4

3. Houck 1.1

8. Imanaga 0.9

13. S Lugo & Yamamoto 0.8

23. T Roger 0.7 (trade talk)

27. M Perez, M Wacha 0.6

42. Severino, C Sale, Nate 0.5

 

The list of injured or struggling SP'ers might be longer.

 

 

I'll start an Out of Town Scoreboard thread soon to track how all these guys are going.

[moonslav59]

I did watch the game--enough to see clearly it was a matter of one pitcher having good stuff and the other not. End of story.

 

Except that Imanaga reminds a whole lot of Koji Uehara, especially in 2013. Uehara had just two pitches, a pretty nasty splitter and a kind of a nothing 4 seamer that rarely topped 88 mph. But he had great control and, even more important, confidence, and was unbelievably effective, especially in the postseason.

 

This guy Imanaga relies heavily on the same two pitches, but his fastball is around 90-93 mph and his splitter is just as wicked as Koji's. So instead of 1 or 2 innings, he went 6.1. Plus he made that fantastic play on a truly excellent drag bunt by Duran--caught it backhanded and then made a perfect flip with his glove to beat the runner.

 

I'm not sure I would have plunked down a ton of money for a two-pitch repertoire, but there was no doubt last night he had our guys in his hip pocket.

 

$53M/4 for Imanaga is not chump change, but it's not a ton of money, either.

 

It's about $14.3M/season which was less than Gio.

[moonslav59]

I'll start an Out of Town Scoreboard thread soon to track how all these guys are going.

 

Here is the template, in order of most money spent on contracts and not counting traded players:

 

Ohtani

Yamamoto

Nola

 

ERod

S Gray

Snell

Imanaaga

S Lugo

J Hicks

 

Giolito

Stroman

Wacah

 

R Lopez

Manaea

N Martinez

Montgomery

 

Not sure how deep you want to go... (under $25M)

K Maeda

T Mahle

Woodruff

Montas

Fedde

Flaherty

Severino

Gibson

 

Under $12M

L Lynn

Kershaw

A Wood

Miley

Perez

Paxton

Junis

 

Under $6M

Lorenzen

Clevinger

 

 

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

$53M/4 for Imanaga is not chump change, but it's not a ton of money, either.

 

It's about $14.3M/season which was less than Gio.

 

Yeah, Giolito doesn't have two pitches, but he does have two years to get paid for maybe throwing zero pitches.

[Bellhorn04]

Here is the template, in order of most money spent on contracts and not counting traded players:

 

Ohtani

Yamamoto

Nola

 

ERod

S Gray

Snell

Imanaaga

S Lugo

J Hicks

 

Giolito

Stroman

Wacah

 

R Lopez

Manaea

N Martinez

Montgomery

 

Not sure how deep you want to go... (under $25M)

K Maeda

T Mahle

Woodruff

Montas

Fedde

Flaherty

Severino

Gibson

 

Under $12M

L Lynn

Kershaw

A Wood

Miley

Perez

Paxton

Junis

 

Under $6M

Lorenzen

Clevinger

 

 

 

 

Excellent starting point, thanks.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, Giolito doesn't have two pitches, but he does have two years to get paid for maybe throwing zero pitches.

 

I did not want Gio as a one choice addition, but at least we tried to do better than the $10M/1 guys like Kluber & Richards, or $5-7M on Wacha, Perez (twice) and Hill.

 

He was not thought of as an injury risk, but it seems to be something the 2024 Sox cannot avoid.

 

Next year, we should have Gio, Hendriks and Fulmer.