4/14 Angels @ SOX 1:30 PM

[Maxbialystock]

Of course he is, but most every one (not you) wants to diss Masa as a hitter. I was just saying that there should be more concern about Devers than Masa.

 

You mean Devers has a bad shoulder--we think--and Yoshida doesn't and is starting to hit. Fair enough.

[moonslav59]

CLE scored 3 in the bottom of the 10th to beat NYY 8-7!

 

Sac fly.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Yes, I got so excited, I forgot he let up a run.

 

Remember 'no drama' KOJI?

[moonslav59]

Remember 'no drama' KOJI?

 

That was unreal.

 

Papelbon was pretty good at limiting drama, too.

 

Martin was awesome, last season, but not really as a closer, much.

[dgalehouse]

WOW!

 

Jansen with an excellent Kimbrell impersonation!

 

Between Jansen and Kimbrel , they have 844 career saves. Jansen career ERA 2.5 . Kimbrel - 2.4. Both have career WHIPs of under one. They are two of the best of all time. The drama is mostly in your head.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

You mean Devers has a bad shoulder--we think--and Yoshida doesn't and is starting to hit. Fair enough.

 

I mean that Devers' shoulder could be a concern all season. I certainly hope not.

[Maxbialystock]

That was unreal.

 

Papelbon was pretty good at limiting drama, too.

 

Martin was awesome, last season, but not really as a closer, much.

 

I'm not in favor of drama by the closer, but let's face it--this year Jansen has been successful but less than impressive.

 

Today he was especially terrible, but then he recovered beautifully. Absolutely no luck in 2 K's.

[moonslav59]

Between Jansen and Kimbrel , they have 844 career saves. Jansen career ERA 2.5 . Kimbrel - 2.4. Both have career WHIPs of under one. They are two of the best of all time. The drama is mostly in your head.

 

That's absurd.

 

Kimbrell's drama his last year here was real, especially in the 2018 playoffs.

14 IP

13 Hits

9 BB

3 HBP

25 men on base in 14 IP (1.786)

You forgot that drama?

 

Jansen's drama is real, too.

5.2 IP

8 BB

 

Jansen's 1.276 WHIP with the Sox in 2023 was the worst of his career, and no other year was even close. (1.297 career w BOS, before today's 1 IP and 3 men let on base.

Edited April 14, 2024 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

I'm not in favor of drama by the closer, but let's face it--this year Jansen has been successful but less than impressive.

 

Today he was especially terrible, but then he recovered beautifully. Absolutely no luck in 2 K's.

 

I'm not praising Jansen. I just pointed out his not allowing any runners to score, until 1 today.

 

4 saves- no blown saves.

 

Yes, too much drama for my liking. (He did miss a lot of ST'ing, so maybe he can improve on that.)

[dgalehouse]

That's absurd.

 

Kimbrell's drama his last year here was real, especially in the 2018 playoffs.

14 IP

13 Hits

9 BB

3 HBP

25 men on base in 14 IP (1.786)

You forgot that drama?

 

Jansen's drama is real, too.

5.2 IP

8 BB

 

Jansen's 1.276 WHIP with the Sox in 2023 was the worst of his career, and no other year was even close. (1.297 career w BOS, before today's 1 IP and 3 men let on base.

 

How is it absurd ? I am giving you stats from lengthy careers. You are basing your opinion on small snippets . I could do that with anything . Jansen and Kimbrel are definitely on the back nine of their careers. But they still mostly get the job done. Meanwhile, we see blown saves all around baseball every night. Today, Cleveland blew a save against the Yanks , then the Yanks followed suit and lost. You should be happy to have Kenley closing games.

[jung]

That is about as good as this team can play I think. Good win.

[jad]

Yoshi may be waking up due to the critics from this website. If he can power up a bit it would certainly help his trade value

 

Oh right. I'm sure after every game he fires up his translator and goes straight to TalkSox.

[dannycater]

Heathcliff Slocumb save....I don't have to explain that to some of you...others look him up.

[Maxbialystock]

How is it absurd ? I am giving you stats from lengthy careers. You are basing your opinion on small snippets . I could do that with anything . Jansen and Kimbrel are definitely on the back nine of their careers. But they still mostly get the job done. Meanwhile, we see blown saves all around baseball every night. Today, Cleveland blew a save against the Yanks , then the Yanks followed suit and lost. You should be happy to have Kenley closing games.

 

Agree he gets the job done: 4/4 so far this season.

 

But you cannot have watched today's 9th inning without more than a modicum of alarm. He had the bases loaded with no on out on a HBP, a BB, and a single before he got the first out, a sac fly that scored a run and moved the other two to 2d and 3d with just one out. That's pretty freaking precarious.

 

Then he struck out Rengifo and Trout, which was pretty doggone good. But still . . .

[moonslav59]

How is it absurd ? I am giving you stats from lengthy careers. You are basing your opinion on small snippets . I could do that with anything . Jansen and Kimbrel are definitely on the back nine of their careers. But they still mostly get the job done. Meanwhile, we see blown saves all around baseball every night. Today, Cleveland blew a save against the Yanks , then the Yanks followed suit and lost. You should be happy to have Kenley closing games.

 

We were clearly talking about Jansen and Kimbrel with the Sox. We did not mention it being about Kimbrel's last few months with us, but I think we both assumed it was understood.

 

They were both incredibly full of drama with us, not counting Kimbrel in his early time with us.

 

No doubt, their careers were not filled with drama more than the norm, but Jansen has pitched in 14+ ML seasons.

 

First 7 seasons:

0.893 WHIP

1.93 FIP

5.3 K/BB

 

Next 6 seasons

0.988 WHIP

3.02 FIP

4.4 K/BB

 

1+ seasons with BOS

1.297 WHIP (before todays 3 men on base in 1 IP)

3.76 FIP

2.5 K/BB

Clearly, he has dropped off in effectiveness:

26 BB and 3 HBP in 50 IP w BOS is drama.

 

Kimbrel before BOS (6 seasons)

0.927 WHIP

1.72 FIP

4.3 K/BB

 

First 2 seasons with Sox

0.861 WHIP

2.07 FIP

4.8 K/BB

 

2018:

0.995 WHIP

3.13 FIP

3.1 K/BB

 

2018 Playoffs

1.59 WHIP (5.91 ERA)

1.8K/BB (10 BB+HBP and 10 Ks)

That was drama galore.

 

We are talking drama, not happiness or save %.

[dgalehouse]

Agree he gets the job done: 4/4 so far this season.

 

But you cannot have watched today's 9th inning without more than a modicum of alarm. He had the bases loaded with no on out on a HBP, a BB, and a single before he got the first out, a sac fly that scored a run and moved the other two to 2d and 3d with just one out. That's pretty freaking precarious.

 

Then he struck out Rengifo and Trout, which was pretty doggone good. But still . . .

 

I saw the game, Max. I don't need a recap. As I have said many times, closing ain't easy. The other team is getting paid also. It was exciting baseball. But I am not the nervous type. That is not good for one's health. I just try to enjoy the competition.

[dgalehouse]

We were clearly talking about Jansen and Kimbrel with the Sox. We did not mention it being about Kimbrel's last few months with us, but I think we both assumed it was understood.

 

They were both incredibly full of drama with us, not counting Kimbrel in his early time with us.

 

No doubt, their careers were not filled with drama more than the norm, but Jansen has pitched in 14+ ML seasons.

 

First 7 seasons:

0.893 WHIP

1.93 FIP

5.3 K/BB

 

Next 6 seasons

0.988 WHIP

3.02 FIP

4.4 K/BB

 

1+ seasons with BOS

1.297 WHIP (before todays 3 men on base in 1 IP)

3.76 FIP

2.5 K/BB

Clearly, he has dropped off in effectiveness:

26 BB and 3 HBP in 50 IP w BOS is drama.

 

Kimbrel before BOS (6 seasons)

0.927 WHIP

1.72 FIP

4.3 K/BB

 

First 2 seasons with Sox

0.861 WHIP

2.07 FIP

4.8 K/BB

 

2018:

0.995 WHIP

3.13 FIP

3.1 K/BB

 

2018 Playoffs

1.59 WHIP (5.91 ERA)

1.8K/BB (10 BB+HBP and 10 Ks)

That was drama galore.

 

We are talking drama, not happiness or save %.

 

I really have to stop responding. It is futile. The drama is all in your mind. That's how you are. And that's okay. I try to avoid people who always act on emotion. Common sense and logic is always better. Jansen and Kimbrel are among the all-time best closers. The Sox are/were fortunate to have them. That should not be in dispute. If it makes you nervous watching them, then don't watch.

[Old Red]

I really have to stop responding. It is futile. The drama is all in your mind. That's how you are. And that's okay. I try to avoid people who always act on emotion. Common sense and logic is always better. Jansen and Kimbrel are among the all-time best closers. The Sox are/were fortunate to have them. That should not be in dispute. If it makes you nervous watching them, then don't watch.

 

👍👍👍!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Kimbrel was not good for my health in the '18 postseason.

 

And I couldn't not watch -- not the final moments of key games in a title run. Ask Philly fans how they felt last year when their team blew two games to Arizona and missed the World Series.

 

Baltimore may have the market cornered on talented young players. But none of them will be on the mound trying to close out postseason wins this October...

[dgalehouse]

Thanks, Red. I make a simple statement. And he posts a list two feet long. Oofah.

[Old Red]

Thanks, Red. I make a simple statement. And he posts a list two feet long. Oofah.

 

Standard procedure for him. He analyzes every letter of every word, and then over analyzes, and thinks the bigger of a response is better right, or wrong.

[dgalehouse]

Standard procedure for him. He analyzes every letter of every word, and then over analyzes, and thinks the bigger of a response is better right, or wrong.[/quote Yes. He tries to act like he is the teacher and we are the students. It can be annoying. I try to keep it light and fun. I don't like to get aggravated about trivial stuff.

[moonslav59]

Kimbrel was not good for my health in the '18 postseason.

 

Just don't call it "drama."

[moonslav59]

Standard procedure for him. He analyzes every letter of every word, and then over analyzes, and thinks the bigger of a response is better right, or wrong.[/quote Yes. He tries to act like he is the teacher and we are the students. It can be annoying. I try to keep it light and fun. I don't like to get aggravated about trivial stuff.

 

Truth with evidence hurts, doesn't it?

[moonslav59]

I really have to stop responding. It is futile. The drama is all in your mind. That's how you are. And that's okay. I try to avoid people who always act on emotion. Common sense and logic is always better. Jansen and Kimbrel are among the all-time best closers. The Sox are/were fortunate to have them. That should not be in dispute. If it makes you nervous watching them, then don't watch.

 

The drama was real. It was not imagined.

 

You must not have watched the 2018 WS to think that wasn't drama. Either that, or you have a way different definition of what drama is. That was crazy drama. Just because he pulled out of it, doesn't mean it was not drama.

 

Saying there has been drama with them both takes nothing away from their great careers. It has nothing to do with the time periods being discussed.

Edited April 15, 2024 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

 

Truth with evidence hurts, doesn't it?

 

Don’t pay any attention to the man behind the curtain who isn’t anything like he thinks he his.🙈🤭🤮!

[dgalehouse]

The drama was real. It was not imagined.

 

You must not have watched the 2018 WS to think that wasn't drama. Either that, or you have a way different definition of what drama is. That was crazy drama. Just because he pulled out of it, doesn't mean it was not drama.

 

Saying there has been drama with them both takes nothing away from their great careers. It has nothing to do with the time periods being discussed.

 

Of course I watched the 2018 World Series. The Sox won it in five against a very good Dodger team. They would have swept in four if not for an uncharacteristic error by Ian Kinsler. Yes, there were a couple of tense moments, but I was relaxed and enjoyed it all. I never doubted that the Sox would win. You, on the other hand, sweated, fretted and worried yourself sick. You need to learn how to re!ax and enjoy the games. Don't get ulcers because Jansen allowed a couple of baserunners. P.S. You don't have to take my advice even though it is very good advice.

[moonslav59]

Of course I watched the 2018 World Series. The Sox won it in five against a very good Dodger team. They would have swept in four if not for an uncharacteristic error by Ian Kinsler. Yes, there were a couple of tense moments, but I was relaxed and enjoyed it all. I never doubted that the Sox would win. You, on the other hand, sweated, fretted and worried yourself sick. You need to learn how to re!ax and enjoy the games. Don't get ulcers because Jansen allowed a couple of baserunners. P.S. You don't have to take my advice even though it is very good advice.

 

Nice how you think you know I reacted to those games played. Saying Jansen added drama is not saying I was worried sick. Keep up the straw man building.

 

Jansen add much drama to those games. He ended up getting the out that was needed, but there was drama and excitement.

 

Drama does not equate to blOwn save, losses and worrying myself sick. Read the game threads: do I sound worried? I'm one of the most relaxed person you'll ever meet, but you can go on constructing people's traits in your mind.

 

I don't need advice from a quack who can't even get the diagnosis right.

[Old Red]

Nice how you think you know I reacted to those games played. Saying Jansen added drama is not saying I was worried sick. Keep up the straw man building.

 

Jansen add much drama to those games. He ended up getting the out that was needed, but there was drama and excitement.

 

Drama does not equate to blOwn save, losses and worrying myself sick. Read the game threads: do I sound worried? I'm one of the most relaxed person you'll ever meet, but you can go on constructing people's traits in your mind.

 

I don't need advice from a quack who can't even get the diagnosis right.

 

🤭🙈🤮!

[vegasbob]

Between Jansen and Kimbrel , they have 844 career saves. Jansen career ERA 2.5 . Kimbrel - 2.4. Both have career WHIPs of under one. They are two of the best of all time. The drama is mostly in your head.

 

I love rationalizing current weak performances by citing lifetime career stats of guys who compiled most of those stats in their previous decade of pitching or hitting. Jansen is best utilized in April/May/ June/July 2024 by getting some value for him, even if they eat half his deal.

 

Kenley's stats this year don't reveal his actual current abilities. He is on proverbial thin ice every time out there. He just hasn't had it fully blow up on him yet.

Edited April 15, 2024 by vegasbob