Red Sox 2024 Spring Training

[mvp 78]

He did, and so did Bernardino...

 

ST 2024:

Weissert: 8.1 IP, 5 H, 3 BB, 10 K: 1.08 ERA

Bernardino: 6.2 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 5 K: 0.00 ERA

 

2023 MLB:

Weissert: 20 IP, 21H, 8BB, 22K: 4.05 ERA

Bernardino: 50.2 IP, 48 H, 18 BB, 58K: 3.20 ERA

 

Career:

Weissert: 31.1 IP, 27H, 13B, 33K: 4.60 ERA

Bernardino: 53 IP, 51H, 20BB, 58K: 3.23 ERA

 

 

 

That's scouting boxscores though. Bailey and Breslow are there everyday evaluating the players. They obviously see things about each guys that we don't see. There is some reason that Weissert is more valuable to them than what we see right now. They both have options, both have pitched well, but Bernardino was sent down. I'm not completely shocked by it. I think Bernardino is a candidate for regression.

 

The career numbers of Bernardino are heavily weighted by his one good year.

 

Career AAA numbers:

 

Bernardino 3.32 ERA, 78.2 Innings, 1.09 WHIP

Weissert 2.16 ERA, 125 Innings, 1.03 WHIP

[Bellhorn04]

He did, and so did Bernardino...

 

ST 2024:

Weissert: 8.1 IP, 5 H, 3 BB, 10 K: 1.08 ERA

Bernardino: 6.2 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 5 K: 0.00 ERA

 

2023 MLB:

Weissert: 20 IP, 21H, 8BB, 22K: 4.05 ERA

Bernardino: 50.2 IP, 48 H, 18 BB, 58K: 3.20 ERA

 

Career:

Weissert: 31.1 IP, 27H, 13B, 33K: 4.60 ERA

Bernardino: 53 IP, 51H, 20BB, 58K: 3.23 ERA

 

 

 

The 2024 K/BB ratios clearly tipped the scales.

 

But seriously, I think we're in reasonably good hands with Breslow, Bailey et al making decisions like this.

[notin]

Who is Kennedy?

 

Not sure why I keep thinking Isaiah Campbell's name is Isaiah Kennedy.

 

Rest assured this will happen again...

[moonslav59]

Absolutely. They should be fun. To me, the question is whether there is enough defensive improvement to help the pitching at least a bit. We had the worst of all worlds last season.

 

I think there should be a marked improvement. I'm guessing from #30 to maybe #14-19th.

 

Most importantly, our up-the-middle defense should be way better:

 

By projected innings:

SS:

2024: 1300 Story, 140 Reyes

2023: 480 Kike, 310 Story, 260 Chang, 210 Reyes, 90 DHam, 90 Rafaela/Arroyo/Dalbec

 

2B:

2024: 1200 Grissom, 140 EValdez, 100 Reyes

2023: 440 Arroyo, 360 EValdez, 210 Urias, 200 Reyes, 130 Kike, 50 Turner, 50 DHam/Rafaela/Wong

 

CF: (Hard to project with rafaela's offense in question)

2024: 1000 Rafaela, 240 Duran, 200 Abreu

2023: 560 Duran, 480 Duvall, 120 Rafaela, 90 Kike, 90 Abreu

70 Refsnyder, 40 Tapia

 

C: (not sure we can expect improvement, here, but normally catchers reach their defensive prime after age 26-27)

2024: 900 Wong, 500 McGuire, 30 Heineman

2023: 950 Wong, 430 McGuire, 50 Alfaro/C Hamilton

 

Corner positions?

3B: same (We can hope this is an up year for devers)

1B: same (I think casas will improve, but with no Turner as back-up, call it a push.)

LF: Better (No Yoshi has to make this a plus over 2023. Duran looked okay in LF.)

RF: same? (Will it be Abreu, O'Neill or both? I hope it's not Duran.)

Let's say a slight improvement on corner D.

[notin]

That's scouting boxscores though. Bailey and Breslow are there everyday evaluating the players. They obviously see things about each guys that we don't see. There is some reason that Weissert is more valuable to them than what we see right now. They both have options, both have pitched well, but Bernardino was sent down. I'm not completely shocked by it. I think Bernardino is a candidate for regression.

 

The career numbers of Bernardino are heavily weighted by his one good year.

 

Career AAA numbers:

 

Bernardino 3.32 ERA, 78.2 Innings, 1.09 WHIP

Weissert 2.16 ERA, 125 Innings, 1.03 WHIP

 

So now you're telling me the FO is not happy with just sabotaging the Boston Red Sox season, they're trying to take down the Worcester Red Sox as well...

[moonslav59]

The 2024 K/BB ratios clearly tipped the scales.

 

But seriously, I think we're in reasonably good hands with Breslow, Bailey et al making decisions like this.

 

Agreed. Bernardino will have plenty of chances to earn a slot.

[mvp 78]

So now you're telling me the FO is not happy with just sabotaging the Boston Red Sox season, they're trying to take down the Worcester Red Sox as well...

 

A 3.32 middle reliever for WOO would be a giant step up compared to what they had to use last season. They had 12 relievers with over 10 innings that had an ERA above 4.80.

[mvp 78]

Agreed. Bernardino will have plenty of chances to earn a slot.

 

He'll be the first guy called up most likely.

[notin]

He'll be the first guy called up most likely.

 

Even for an injury in the outfield?

[Bellhorn04]

Even for an injury in the outfield?

 

Yeah, if it's pitchers doing drills in the outfield, Mr. Silly.

[mvp 78]

Even for an injury in the outfield?

 

Sure why not?

[mvp 78]

Yeah, if it's pitchers doing drills in the outfield, Mr. Silly.

 

It'd be one way to get around the roster limitations.

[moonslav59]

A 3.32 middle reliever for WOO would be a giant step up compared to what they had to use last season. They had 12 relievers with over 10 innings that had an ERA above 4.80.

 

I see this as a major area of possible improvement, despite us raiding the pen of multiple arms to become starters.

 

Not counting Reyes, we used 27 pitchers in relief in 2023. We used 23 for over 6.2 IP. If can bring both of these numbers down, significantly, it might allow for some slight improvement. The area for big improvement will be improving on the numbers from these guys:

 

IP/ERA

48 Murphy 4.91 (on IL)

45 Schreiber 3.83

31 Bleier 5.28

30 Lloveria 5.46

25 Jacques 4.26 (still in the system but hopefully will not pitch in '24)

23 Walter 6.26 (still in the system)

21 Brasier 7.29

19 Ort 6.27

17 Garza 6.23

13 Kluber 9.45

11 Robertson 6.55

9 Weiss 2.08

8 Barraclough 12.91

7 Sherriff 2.70

 

Moved to rotation:(These are the hard 100 IP to replace.)

56 Pivetta 3.07

22 Crawford 1.66

20 Whitlock 4.95

 

Who takes their places or pitches more than 2023?

Campbell

Slaten

Anderson

Weissert

Criswell

Mata

Fitts, Luetge, Guerrero, Gambrell (not on 40)

 

More IP:

Joely

Bernardino

Z Kelly

 

 

[Old Red]

The 2024 K/BB ratios clearly tipped the scales.

 

But seriously, I think we're in reasonably good hands with Breslow, Bailey et al making decisions like this.

 

It’s amazing to me that Brez, and Bailey has won the trust of some on here, and they haven’t done much of anything yet. Before it was trust in Bloom, and Cora, but where did that get the team? A losing/last place in the Div team. Now if Brez, and Bailey can turn this re-run show of a starting rotation in to must watch TV then all the power to them, but I’m in a wait, and see mode on that one. One poster on here was touting the SP stats in ST, which was also against a lot of minor league players, and doesn’t mean much at all. I hope Bailey has his running shoes on, because Bush ran marathons out to the mound last year.🤭🙈

[mvp 78]

It’s amazing to me that Brez, and Bailey has won the trust of some on here, and they haven’t done much of anything yet. Before it was trust in Bloom, and Cora, but where did that get the team? A losing/last place in the Div team. Now if Brez, and Bailey can turn this re-run show of a starting rotation in to must watch TV then all the power to them, but I’m in a wait, and see mode on that one. One poster on here was touting the SP stats in ST, which was also against a lot of minor league players, and doesn’t mean much at all. I hope Bailey has his running shoes on, because Bush ran marathons out to the mound last year.

 

We've seen some good ST results so far. I'm not sold that this team is better than a last place team so how much trust is that really putting into Crag? I think almost all of us believe this is a last place team. We can like what we see being done on the fringes of the roster and realize it's not really going to pay dividends this year. We got nothing else to root for. Does that mean we have blind TRUST?

 

We're excited to see baseball and some of us choose to not live in misery 24/7. The baseball will most likely be mediocre at best. Feel free to get mad about us being interested about the progress of a middle reliever or seeing Garrett Whitlock add a new pitch. At the end of the day, we'll all be rooting for the same last place team.

[Old Red]

We've seen some good ST results so far. I'm not sold that this team is better than a last place team so how much trust is that really putting into Crag? I think almost all of us believe this is a last place team. We can like what we see being done on the fringes of the roster and realize it's not really going to pay dividends this year. We got nothing else to root for. Does that mean we have blind TRUST?

 

We're excited to see baseball and some of us choose to not live in misery 24/7. The baseball will most likely be mediocre at best. Feel free to get mad about us being interested about the progress of a middle reliever or seeing Garrett Whitlock add a new pitch. At the end of the day, we'll all be rooting for the same last place team.

 

Live in misery 24/7? That’s all I’ve pretty much heard on here since before FA season started. How many times have I heard sham, sham, sham being spouted.I on the other had have preached patience, and said to wait until March 28 to see what the team looks like. Well March 28 is upon us. I Never thought the Red Sox would sign any of the top Big money FA to begin with, and they didn’t. I didn’t buy into the full throttle to begin with. On the other hand I thought the Red Sox would trade a prospect , or two to get some starting pitching, and that didn’t happen. Who is mad about any middle reliever, or watching Whitlock in a recurring role in a re-run of the starting rotation show? I not mad, excited, or interested. If it works out then great, but until it happens it the same old show with the same old results. Like I keep saying Whitlock is ONLY back in the rotation by default.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We've seen some good ST results so far. I'm not sold that this team is better than a last place team so how much trust is that really putting into Crag? I think almost all of us believe this is a last place team. We can like what we see being done on the fringes of the roster and realize it's not really going to pay dividends this year. We got nothing else to root for. Does that mean we have blind TRUST?

 

We're excited to see baseball and some of us choose to not live in misery 24/7. The baseball will most likely be mediocre at best. Feel free to get mad about us being interested about the progress of a middle reliever or seeing Garrett Whitlock add a new pitch. At the end of the day, we'll all be rooting for the same last place team.

 

If people want to totally dismiss ST results, ok -- but then maybe it's not automatic to bet big on the mighty Baltimore O's.

 

The Red Sox had the best home record in baseball in exhibition games, which maybe isn't a big deal, but it doesn't suck. Fans of clubs that had crappy home records -- when most of their big leaguers faced road teams of mostly minor leaguers -- might be worried, though...

[Bellhorn04]

It’s amazing to me that Brez, and Bailey has won the trust of some on here, and they haven’t done much of anything yet. Before it was trust in Bloom, and Cora, but where did that get the team? A losing/last place in the Div team. Now if Brez, and Bailey can turn this re-run show of a starting rotation in to must watch TV then all the power to them, but I’m in a wait, and see mode on that one. One poster on here was touting the SP stats in ST, which was also against a lot of minor league players, and doesn’t mean much at all. I hope Bailey has his running shoes on, because Bush ran marathons out to the mound last year.

 

Trust but verify. In other words, trust 'em until they give you reason not to...

[Old Red]

Trust but verify. In other words, trust 'em until they give you reason not to...

 

I agree to a point, but when you have 5 leftovers, and a new chef is trying to make a good 5 course meal out of it I’ll believe it when I see it.

[mvp 78]

I agree to a point, but when you have 5 leftovers, and a new chef is trying to make a good 5 course meal out of it I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

And if we all believe this is a last place team, what exactly is our trust meter set to? It's not set very high?

[Old Red]

And if we all believe this is a last place team, what exactly is our trust meter set to? It's not set very high?

 

The trust meter with the team, or the trust meter that Bailey, and Brez is going to make the pitching staff better? I’m not counting on the latter.

[mvp 78]

The trust meter with the team, or the trust meter that Bailey, and Brez is going to make the pitching staff better? I’m not counting on the latter.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that trust Bailey and Crag blindly with the pitching staff. I think, for the most part, they/we/I just believe that it should be better than it was under Bloom, because it really couldn't get much worse than what we saw the past few years. They were s*** last year, maybe they can reach boring mediocrity this year or next? Nobody here thinks this is a top 10 pitching staff or even has a future trending that direction. I haven't seen anyone make that case.

 

I guess I don't know where you're pulling out this "trust" issue from. Should we be ranting about Bailey? He hasn't done much yet to rant about. Should we be praising Crag? I don't think anyone has praised him at all aside from being glad that he put some additional focus on pitching development which was grossly ignored for the past decade plus. Most of the opinions have been thoroughly in the middle of the road. If the Sox are going to be under Henry's misery thumb for the next few years, it's hard to get pissed off at anyone except for the people signing the checks and approving the budget.

[Old Red]

I don't think anyone is saying that trust Bailey and Crag blindly with the pitching staff. I think, for the most part, they/we/I just believe that it should be better than it was under Bloom, because it really couldn't get much worse than what we saw the past few years. They were s*** last year, maybe they can reach boring mediocrity this year or next? Nobody here thinks this is a top 10 pitching staff or even has a future trending that direction. I haven't seen anyone make that case.

 

I guess I don't know where you're pulling out this "trust" issue from. Should we be ranting about Bailey? He hasn't done much yet to rant about. Should we be praising Crag? I don't think anyone has praised him at all aside from being glad that he put some additional focus on pitching development which was grossly ignored for the past decade plus. Most of the opinions have been thoroughly in the middle of the road. If the Sox are going to be under Henry's misery thumb for the next few years, it's hard to get pissed off at anyone except for the people signing the checks and approving the budget.

 

I think to much analysis is being made here. Of course I know that never happens. I’m just not going with the Sox are in good hands with Brez, and Bailey making pitching decisions yet. Just, because Brez was an ex-pitcher, and Bailey replaced Bush to me doesn’t mean the same pitchers especially the starting rotation is going to be better, because of it. That’s all I’m saying. If it happens great, but I’m on a wait, and see approach.

[moonslav59]

Trust but verify. In other words, trust 'em until they give you reason not to...

 

That's how I see it. I assume they hire guys who know what they are doing, until they show me they don't.

 

I'm sure they have reason to choose Weissert over Bernardino. It's not like it's an obvious choice.

[mvp 78]

I think to much analysis is being made here. Of course I know that never happens. I’m just not going with the Sox are in good hands with Brez, and Bailey making pitching decisions yet. Just, because Brez was an ex-pitcher, and Bailey replaced Bush to me doesn’t mean the same pitchers especially the starting rotation is going to be better, because of it. That’s all I’m saying. If it happens great, but I’m on a wait, and see approach.

 

So is everyone else.

[mvp 78]

That's how I see it. I assume they hire guys who know what they are doing, until they show me they don't.

 

I'm sure they have reason to choose Weissert over Bernardino. It's not like it's an obvious choice.

 

It's not like they are having Weissert take over closing duties or looked at Walter's ST numbers and pushed him into the MLB rotation. The difference between Bernardino and Weissert isn't that great. The call was really between releasing Joely and keeping Bernardino on the 26 man or keeping Joely and optioning Bernardino. Not sure they need Joely AND Bernardino.

[sk7326]

It’s amazing to me that Brez, and Bailey has won the trust of some on here, and they haven’t done much of anything yet. Before it was trust in Bloom, and Cora, but where did that get the team? A losing/last place in the Div team. Now if Brez, and Bailey can turn this re-run show of a starting rotation in to must watch TV then all the power to them, but I’m in a wait, and see mode on that one. One poster on here was touting the SP stats in ST, which was also against a lot of minor league players, and doesn’t mean much at all. I hope Bailey has his running shoes on, because Bush ran marathons out to the mound last year.🤭🙈

 

I trusted Bloom until the evidence changed. Breslow there is no track record - but I like baseball and being alive, so I'll let him have the benefit of the doubt for now. As far as Cora goes - my trust hasn't wavered. He has always managed the most out of the roster more or less.

[sk7326]

I think to much analysis is being made here. Of course I know that never happens. I’m just not going with the Sox are in good hands with Brez, and Bailey making pitching decisions yet. Just, because Brez was an ex-pitcher, and Bailey replaced Bush to me doesn’t mean the same pitchers especially the starting rotation is going to be better, because of it. That’s all I’m saying. If it happens great, but I’m on a wait, and see approach.

 

Wait and see is fine. My faith in Breslow is not because he has a ring with the Sox so much as that he was charged with reworking the pitching infrastructure with the Cubs, where there has been some success.

[mvp 78]

I trusted Bloom until the evidence changed. Breslow there is no track record - but I like baseball and being alive, so I'll let him have the benefit of the doubt for now. As far as Cora goes - my trust hasn't wavered. He has always managed the most out of the roster more or less.

 

Cora is a very good manager in a lame duck year who will be managing a better team next year. Sad.

[mvp 78]

Wait and see is fine. My faith in Breslow is not because he has a ring with the Sox so much as that he was charged with reworking the pitching infrastructure with the Cubs, where there has been some success.

 

He did a decent job with the Cubs. Bailey did a decent job with the Giants. We'll see how it works out here.