A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[moonslav59]

If he keeps his current defense and has a 100 wRC+ like in 2022, he'll be worth the contract. Just be 2022 Story, but stay healthy.

 

Fine with me, too.

 

I'm hopeful he can do better than a 102 OPS+, but 102 over 600 PAs and GG defense at SS is more than fine.

[mvp 78]

Fine with me, too.

 

I'm hopeful he can do better than a 102 OPS+, but 102 over 600 PAs and GG defense at SS is more than fine.

 

Dansby Swanson had a 104 OPS+, but ended the season with 4.9 fWAR this year.

 

Yeah, I'd take that...

[moonslav59]

Dansby Swanson had a 104 OPS+, but ended the season with 4.9 fWAR this year.

 

Yeah, I'd take that...

 

Indeed.

 

I was actually hoping we signed him.

[notin]

No WARcherry-picking, now. Story's fWAR was 0.2.

 

FUBAR 0.5

 

If you like, Story’s 0.2 fWAR was still better than Tim Anderson’s (-0.5), equal to Amed Rosario’s, and worse than Javier Baez (0.8). Of course all of them did so in over three times the amount of playing time.

 

Rosario would likely be markedly cheaper. But Anderson and Baez, if available, are not guaranteed to be. If the Sox make him available, Story is absolutely tradable to a SS-needy team…

[cp176]

I'm a big DD supporter. I wish he could have stayed. I'm not sure how he'd have done under the same budgets and what I call mandates Bloom was given.

 

I don't think he was happy about the change happening during his last year in BOS.

 

He was and still is a skilled and very capable GM. It was a loss, and so was the change brought on by the top brass.

 

I do realize that you supported him.

[moonslav59]

I do realize that you supported him.

 

The guy did an amazing job building a juggernaut.

[sk7326]

The guy did an amazing job building a juggernaut.

 

Yeah. The man has been in baseball forever. The idea he couldn't helm a reload was daft. Yes he traded his entire farm in Detroit - but his owner wanted that and the approach got results.

 

I am an NBA fan and I look at how the Celtics have reacted to having a young core that is so close to the top of the mountain - they have decided to damn the torpedos and push as many chips into taking advantage of a championship window. It makes the aftermath of the 2018 Red Sox monster even more disheartening.

Edited October 19, 2023 by sk7326

[moonslav59]

It makes the after math of the 2018 Red Sox monster even more disheartening.

 

It was a worthy sacrifice.

[sk7326]

It was a worthy sacrifice.

 

Well, it was good for ownership's wallet

[moonslav59]

Well, it was good for ownership's wallet

 

Indeed. I think the splurge in spending from 2016 to 2018 paid off, and the budget cuts afterwards likely paid off, too.

[moonslav59]

Rule 5 Eligible:

 

December 2023

 

Rivaldo Avila

Angel Bastardo

Brock Bell

Royman Blanco

Brainer Bonaci

Zach Bryant

Maceo Campbell

Allan Castro

Brendan Cellucci

Felix Cepeda

Juan Chacon

Casey Cobb

Nathanael Cruz

Luis De La Rosa

Nick Decker

Kelvin Diaz

Jordan DiValerio

Shane Drohan

Juan Daniel Encarnación

Alex Erro

Albert Feliz

Ryan Fernandez

Ryan Fitzgerald

Grant Gambrell

Jhostynxon Garcia

Wikelman Gonzalez

Bryan Gonzalez

Justin Hagenman

Alexis Hernandez

Gabriel Jackson

Lyonell James

Gilberto Jimenez

Christian Koss

Robert Kwiatkowski

Chih-Jung Liu

Eduardo Lopez

Matthew Lugo

Elih Marrero

Yorberto Mejicano

Ryan Miller

Andrés Núñez

Yusniel Padron-Artiles

Eddinson Paulino

Zach Penrod

Luis Perales

Railin Perez

AJ Politi

Jose Ramirez

Oscar Rangel

Jorge Rodriguez

Ronald Rosario

Cesar Ruiz

Johnfrank Salazar

Stephen Scott

Cody Scroggins

Reidis Sena

Chase Shugart

Karson Simas

Nick Sogard

Noah Song

Dylan Spacke

Joey Stock

Luis Talavera

Nate Tellier

Michael Valera

Brian Van Belle

Diego Viloria

Jeremy Wu-Yelland

Ryan Zeferjahn

[moonslav59]

I'm thinking maybe 5-6 prospects will be protected from Rule 5. Those in red plus 1-2 others in bold.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm thinking maybe 5-6 prospects will be protected from Rule 5. Those in red plus 1-2 others in bold.

 

Protect any pitcher with promise. Let somebody else draft Paulino and not trade him at the deadine.

[notin]

Protect any pitcher with promise. Let somebody else draft Paulino and not trade him at the deadine.

 

No Song?

[mvp 78]

No Song?

 

Protect Song? No chance.

[moonslav59]

Protect any pitcher with promise. Let somebody else draft Paulino and not trade him at the deadine.

 

I think Hagenman might be protected.

 

Luis de la Rosa was my sleeper prospect for a while, but I doubt anyone grabs him.

 

I think Stephen Scott may be the only non pitcher protected, but there seems to be many of his types out there for the grabbing, who don't need a 40 man roster slot. I doubt we start the season with just 2 catchers on the roster, so that is why I mentioned him.

[dgalehouse]

Indeed. I think the splurge in spending from 2016 to 2018 paid off, and the budget cuts afterwards likely paid off, too.

 

Budget cuts are for when things are tight. Why cut the budget when everything is working well ? By what reasoning did the Red Sox budget cuts pay off ? I surely don't see any.

[sk7326]

Budget cuts are for when things are tight. Why cut the budget when everything is working well ? By what reasoning did the Red Sox budget cuts pay off ? I surely don't see any.

 

The statement about the budget takes as a given a premise about Red Sox resources that I don't accept.

[mvp 78]

Rule 5 Eligible:

 

December 2023

 

Rivaldo Avila

Angel Bastardo

Brock Bell

Royman Blanco

Brainer Bonaci

Zach Bryant

Maceo Campbell

Allan Castro

Brendan Cellucci

Felix Cepeda

Juan Chacon

Casey Cobb

Nathanael Cruz

Luis De La Rosa

Nick Decker

Kelvin Diaz

Jordan DiValerio

Shane Drohan PROTECTED

Juan Daniel Encarnación

Alex Erro

Albert Feliz

Ryan Fernandez

Ryan Fitzgerald

Grant Gambrell PROTECTED

Jhostynxon Garcia

Wikelman Gonzalez PROTECTED

Bryan Gonzalez

Justin Hagenman PROTECTED

Alexis Hernandez

Gabriel Jackson

Lyonell James

Gilberto Jimenez

Christian Koss

Robert Kwiatkowski

Chih-Jung Liu

Eduardo Lopez

Matthew Lugo

Elih Marrero

Yorberto Mejicano

Ryan Miller

Andrés Núñez

Yusniel Padron-Artiles

Eddinson Paulino

Zach Penrod

Luis Perales PROTECTED

Railin Perez

AJ Politi

Jose Ramirez

Oscar Rangel

Jorge Rodriguez

Ronald Rosario

Cesar Ruiz

Johnfrank Salazar

Stephen Scott

Cody Scroggins

Reidis Sena

Chase Shugart

Karson Simas

Nick Sogard

Noah Song

Dylan Spacke

Joey Stock

Luis Talavera

Nate Tellier

Michael Valera

Brian Van Belle

Diego Viloria

Jeremy Wu-Yelland

Ryan Zeferjahn

 

[dgalehouse]

The statement about the budget takes as a given a premise about Red Sox resources that I don't accept.

 

We never get to see the books, but it is estimated that the Sox are the third most valuable franchise in MLB , worth well over 5 billion. I would think their profits are considerable. Budget cuts ?

[moonslav59]

Budget cuts are for when things are tight. Why cut the budget when everything is working well ? By what reasoning did the Red Sox budget cuts pay off ? I surely don't see any.

 

The comment was made to am poster who said the team's owner made money.

 

Cutting a budget is one way owners make more money, right?

[moonslav59]

The statement about the budget takes as a given a premise about Red Sox resources that I don't accept.

 

You don't accept the reasoning for budget cuts, or that they actually happened?

[moonslav59]

We never get to see the books, but it is estimated that the Sox are the third most valuable franchise in MLB , worth well over 5 billion. I would think their profits are considerable. Budget cuts ?

 

There are many owners in MLB who are rich enough to spend more and more, but choose not to do it. They pocket as much as they can. Some even pocket revenue sharing. This is nothing new in the business world.

 

We all question why JH feels the need to cut the player salary budget, from time to time. I sometimes wonder, if we all also question why other companies maximize profits at the expense of paying their workers more money.

[mvp 78]

There are many owners in MLB who are rich enough to spend more and more, but choose not to do it. They pocket as much as they can. Some even pocket revenue sharing. This is nothing new in the business world.

 

We all question why JH feels the need to cut the player salary budget, from time to time. I sometimes wonder, if we all also question why other companies maximize profits at the expense of paying their workers more money.

 

If there were not player development ramifications in going over the CBT, Henry would be over every year IMO.

[moonslav59]

If there were not player development ramifications in going over the CBT, Henry would be over every year IMO.

 

I'm not so sure.

[sk7326]

You don't accept the reasoning for budget cuts, or that they actually happened?

 

The former.

[sk7326]

If there were not player development ramifications in going over the CBT, Henry would be over every year IMO.

 

Maybe. But there are ways to manipulate the CBT that he could easily do if he wanted (and we saw running rampant this offseason). And either way, the Sox plummeted in payroll relative to the league, so there was a pretty big overcorrection.

[sk7326]

We never get to see the books, but it is estimated that the Sox are the third most valuable franchise in MLB , worth well over 5 billion. I would think their profits are considerable. Budget cuts ?

 

There is almost no chance the business is not rakin it in ... all these franchises are doing great.

[moonslav59]

The former.

 

Do you ever wonder why many GMs do the same thing?

 

If they all spent more, would it make a difference, except to the players' rising salaries.

 

Every GM spending 20% more would not change the Red Sox situation, so what we are really asking is that our billionaire owner spends more than other billionaire or multimillionaire owners do, and there is no reason why he does not.

 

In that light, is it more "acceptable?"

[moonslav59]

There is almost no chance the business is not rakin it in ... all these franchises are doing great.

 

Even the ones who cry poverty are raking in money. There are also some side businesses that are run by the same owner: the cable station,, the concessions stands and the team shirts and jackets are often making money as a separate business entity.

 

Then, the big kicker is when the current owner decides to sell his team. BAM! Now, that is when the real doe is raked in!

Edited October 19, 2023 by moonslav59