Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

Duran had a 749 OPS vs LHP last year. That's not flailing. If he flails, bench him. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. Duran isn't the only guy that could be platooned.

 

Also, STOLEN BASES AREN'T THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH SPEED AND DURAN ISN'T A GREAT BASESTEALER ANYWAY.

[moonslav59]

Dugo hit LHP well in 2020. He never did it again.

 

Of course, .791 in the short season.

 

.791 in 82 PAs '20

.554 in 201 PAs '21 (Man O Man Cora really stuck with this all year?!)

.693 in 170 PAs '22 (Another full season)

.609 in 161 PAs '23 (Started 31 games v LH'd SP'er.)

 

If Ref didn't suck on D, platooning RF might be the better choice.)

 

 

[mvp 78]

Refsnyder is making $1.85 mill in 2024, only a tick above minimum wage. You don't have to generate much value to earn that - about .2 or .3 fWAR.

 

You really think Alex Cora won't find him a bunch of AB's one way or the other?

 

It's $ you can use strictly as a bench bat and it impacts nothing. He'll get a decent amount of PA's. Cora will find a good use for him.

[moonslav59]

Duran had a 749 OPS vs LHP last year. That's not flailing. If he flails, bench him. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. Duran isn't the only guy that could be platooned.

 

Also, STOLEN BASES AREN'T THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH SPEED AND DURAN ISN'T A GREAT BASESTEALER ANYWAY.

 

I don't make determinations over 49 PAs.

 

Platooning Duran does not mean he gets zero PAs vs LHPs. He'd have plenty of opportunities to show he can repeat his 2023 line vs LHPs or improve on it.

 

He could even start a few games vs LHPs, when Yoshida is given one of his 10-12 scheduled days off, even as a DH. He could play RF in some short RF parks, while we give Dugo some of his 10-12 scheduled days off.

 

If Duran shows he can hit LHPs, then Ref gets his starts somewhere else. He will get chances to prove it, even when platooned.

 

[moonslav59]

Refsnyder is making $1.85 mill in 2024, only a tick above minimum wage. You don't have to generate much value to earn that - about .2 or .3 fWAR.

 

You really think Alex Cora won't find him a bunch of AB's one way or the other?

 

He's not worth a roster slot as a weak fielding PH'er. It's not about the money. It's about correct use of a 26 man roster.

[Bellhorn04]

He's not worth a roster slot as a weak fielding PH'er. It's not about the money. It's about correct use of a 26 man roster.

 

No one is saying he should only PH, and you know that.

[notin]

That's what they said about Dugo... and he never did.

 

That means nothing concerning Duran.

 

We also heard Tony Blanco would be an elite hitter and that never happened. Based on that, we trade Roman Anthony?

[moonslav59]

Duran had a 749 OPS vs LHP last year. That's not flailing. If he flails, bench him. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. Duran isn't the only guy that could be platooned.

 

Yes, I pointed that out, already- twice.

 

I would hesitate to play Ref in RF, unless it is a short RF stadium, so maybe a handful of games giving Dugo a day off.

 

He could DH, when Yoshida gets a day off, and I'm sure Cora will give him more than most FT Dh's get, so he could get some there.

 

The rest should be in LF, where his defense is as hidden as Duran's.

 

[mvp 78]

He's not worth a roster slot as a weak fielding PH'er. It's not about the money. It's about correct use of a 26 man roster.

 

Lots of teams have weak fielding platoon bats. It's fine.

[notin]

He's not worth a roster slot as a weak fielding PH'er. It's not about the money. It's about correct use of a 26 man roster.

 

 

Forcing a platoon is the correct use of the 40 man roster?

[mvp 78]

I'm not "dying on a hill," but Ref needs to start every single game vs a LH'd SP'er, or he's near useless. (He's barely worth his roster slot, as it is.)

 

He only had 0.2 fWAR last season. He doesn't need to start every game vs every LHP.

[moonslav59]

Also, STOLEN BASES AREN'T THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH SPEED AND DURAN ISN'T A GREAT BASESTEALER ANYWAY.

 

Wow! Thanks for pointing that out. I never knew this!

 

49 PAs: 0 SB, 3 DBLs (maybe some were leg dbls, but no more than 3,) 4 runs scored (1 every 12.2 PAs.)

 

vs RHPs:

313 PAs, 22 SBs, 33 dbls + trpls and 42 runs scored (1 every 9.5 PAs)

 

Of course Duran's speed adds to his value. IMO, it does not add enough to overtake Ref's value as a .420+ OBP guys- yes, in 2023, too!

 

Ref vs LHPs in 2023 (his "off year.":)

.428 OBP

145 PAs, 4 SBs, 7 dbld + trpls and 21 runs scored (a runs cored every 6.9 PAs)

[moonslav59]

Forcing a platoon is the correct use of the 40 man roster?

 

Playing your best OBP guy is the correct use, yes. Since Ref sucks vs RHPs, yes, you force a platoon on whoever deserves to sit more: Duran, Dugo or Yoshida, but yes, Ref needs to start every game vs a LH'd SP'er.

 

IMO, Duran deserves to sit the most, due to Ref sucking in RF, and Yoshida hitting LHPs better than Dugo and Duran. I'm fine with matching it up, so Ref does play in RF and DH when those two get a day off, and that might get Duran 10-20 starts vs a LHP, but to start the yea, I see Duran being the odd man out- most of the time.

[Bellhorn04]

Wow! Thanks for pointing that out. I never knew this!

 

49 PAs: 0 SB, 3 DBLs (maybe some were leg dbls, but no more than 3,) 4 runs scored (1 every 12.2 PAs.)

 

vs RHPs:

313 PAs, 22 SBs, 33 dbls + trpls and 42 runs scored (1 every 9.5 PAs)

 

Of course Duran's speed adds to his value. IMO, it does not add enough to overtake Ref's value as a .420+ OBP guys- yes, in 2023, too!

 

Ref vs LHPs in 2023 (his "off year.":)

.428 OBP

145 PAs, 4 SBs, 7 dbld + trpls and 21 runs scored (a runs cored every 6.9 PAs)

 

With an unsustainable BAbip of .371.

[moonslav59]

Lots of teams have weak fielding platoon bats. It's fine.

 

So, are you say8ing you prefer Ref play RF (for Dugo) vs LHPs over LF (for Duran?)

 

Maybe play Duran in CF, Ref in LF and Rafaela in RF?

[Bellhorn04]

Cora would likely play it halfway on something like this anyway, with Duran getting all his rest days against lefties in the early going until there are some numbers to look at.

[moonslav59]

With an unsustainable BAbip of .371.

 

Are you saying Duran's .400 BAbip vs LHPs is more sustainable?

[Bellhorn04]

Are you saying Duran's .400 BAbip vs LHPs is more sustainable?

 

Smaller sample.

 

Plus Duran is a high BAbip guy.

[mvp 78]

In non-Refsnyder news:

 

I had mentioned Zach Penrod as a potential 40 man roster add the other day. Here's a story:

 

https://beyondthemonster.substack.com/p/red-sox-pitching-prospect-zach-penrod

[mvp 78]

Wow! Thanks for pointing that out. I never knew this!

 

49 PAs: 0 SB, 3 DBLs (maybe some were leg dbls, but no more than 3,) 4 runs scored (1 every 12.2 PAs.)

 

vs RHPs:

313 PAs, 22 SBs, 33 dbls + trpls and 42 runs scored (1 every 9.5 PAs)

 

Of course Duran's speed adds to his value. IMO, it does not add enough to overtake Ref's value as a .420+ OBP guys- yes, in 2023, too!

 

Ref vs LHPs in 2023 (his "off year.":)

.428 OBP

145 PAs, 4 SBs, 7 dbld + trpls and 21 runs scored (a runs cored every 6.9 PAs)

 

C'mon, moon. You were the one who had to capitalize that he had zero stolen bases vs LHP like it mattered.

[mvp 78]

So, are you say8ing you prefer Ref play RF (for Dugo) vs LHPs over LF (for Duran?)

 

Maybe play Duran in CF, Ref in LF and Rafaela in RF?

 

I already posted my thoughts above.

 

Ref would ONLY play LF. Duran would go to CF in almost every situation as I think he's terrible in RF. Rafaela can move to 2B or RF.

[Bellhorn04]

C'mon, moon. You were the one who had to capitalize that he had zero stolen bases vs LHP like it mattered.

 

Capitalized and super-sized.

[moonslav59]

Smaller sample.

 

Plus Duran is a high BAbip guy.

 

Can he sustain his .318 and .302 BAbip from 2021 and 2022?

[moonslav59]

C'mon, moon. You were the one who had to capitalize that he had zero stolen bases vs LHP like it mattered.

 

It does matter, as do runs scored as a result of speed.

[moonslav59]

I already posted my thoughts above.

 

Ref would ONLY play LF. Duran would go to CF in almost every situation as I think he's terrible in RF. Rafaela can move to 2B or RF.

 

My main point is that Ref should start every game vs LHPs.

 

IMO, playing LF or DH is the only place he should play, except maybe RF in some short RF stadiums.

 

IMO, sitting Duran and Dugo makes the most sense, and since Ref plays LF, I chose Duran as the primary platoon guy, but I'm fine with not calling it that, if it soothes you guys. Last year, we faced a LH'd SP'er 42 times (about 25% of the games.)

 

I could see it broken down like this:

 

22 games for Duran in LF

10 games for Dugo (someone else plays RF, unless it is a short RF stadium)

10 games DH for Yoshida (more games off than I would give a FT DH, but it is what it is.)

 

This way we can call Duran the FT LF'er!

 

HURRAY!

 

(You talked me off the hill I was about to die on! LOL!)

 

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Capitalized and super-sized.

 

I guess I should have use italics not CAPS.

 

[Old Red]

Imanaga to be posted today. He would be the cheaper version than the big Yam.

[mvp 78]

Imanaga to be posted today. He would be the cheaper version than the big Yam.

 

Also older and not as dynamic.

[moonslav59]

Also older and not as dynamic.

 

I hope we don't continue signing the "leftover" SP'ers.

[notin]

Imanaga to be posted today. He would be the cheaper version than the big Yam.

 

Quite possibly also know as the “not as good” version as well…